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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:20 PM Original message |
I'm a field Negro. - What are our leaders? by John Aravosis |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. another slavery comparison....it doesn't help. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Don't worry about it - they'll blame black folks for Prop 8 in about 30 seconds. |
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queerart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Clever......... |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Don't ruin knee-jerk reactions with facts |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. he Blew it |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:30 PM Original message |
He won't be coming back fast, with his knees removed. n/t |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. What's your stake in perpetuating this myth? Who is this "they" of whom you speak? |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. Time to run along to the sports forum and cry racism there now... |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Oh, great. I can hear it now. n/t |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. . |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Shhh |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Oh right. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Pam Spalding is an African American lesbian who endorsed Obama in the primaries |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Don't you know? |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
42. I didn't call or insinuate that the OP was a racist |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Careful there... |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. there lies the problem, the OP is oppression Olympics |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Comparing the struggles is not Oppression Olympics |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I didn't say the "worst ever", I said "one of the worst" |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. I was still editing the post when you replied |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
93. Comparisons there are. Offense may result from direct use of SPECIFIC history/imagery/terms that are |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. That door swings both ways. People are talking past one another. |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #93 |
101. Elie Wiesel: suffering confers no privileges |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Last call!! |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. You do realize that when people tell GLBT persons not to compare their struggle with earlier Civil |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. It might work better |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Your welcome I guess |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #106 |
123. People can continue to make those comparisons if they wish |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 06:49 AM Response to Reply #103 |
171. In the earlier Civil Rights Era... |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
97. The OP alludes to Malcolm X, and draws a comparison of tactics that a struggle for equality faces. |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #97 |
122. A holocaust comparison would be just as unhelpful IMO |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. Your probably already aware of this but it should be pointed out |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. Very much aware, thanks |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. Agree 100% |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #122 |
143. You really don't get the difference between "institution" and "tactics", do you? |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #143 |
148. ********************My God! That's a pleasure to read.******************** |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. Well, how can I say no to so many asterisks?... |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. With all this flotsam and jetsam, one must draw attention to a life line. :) |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. "I come to DU to be exposed to new ideas and quality discourse" |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #154 |
156. Like Julie Andrews in the opening long shot from "The Sound of Music". |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #156 |
157. I was thinking of Pollyanna! |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #157 |
164. Yeah, her too. Down to the maryjanes. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #164 |
168. I have that hat! n/t |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #143 |
185. I disagree, Malcolm was making a slavery comparison |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #185 |
194. Technically, Aravosis was making a civil rights comparison. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #194 |
200. "Malcolm X was not a slave..therefore quoting him & a comparison he made is not a slavery reference" |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 02:59 AM Response to Reply #143 |
216. Perfectly stated |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #45 |
74. Um....Far As I Can Tell, The Only One Claiming Gays Have It Worse Than Blacks Did Is You. |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. A mis-characterization of Pam Spaulding's meaning...that really doesn't help. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
36. Excellent post. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. Good lord, you don't get it, do you... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
141. Some pretty outrageous assumptions there |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
142. No, it doesn't. The other (Huffpost) essay by her that's up today also |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. "What are our leaders?" |
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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. only answer |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. I thought it was "Aunt Liza"s |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. That works too. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
205. I've read "Aunt Thomasian".... |
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LiberalArkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
9. I agree with you. It is not the BLACK thing it is the ownership mentality, |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
12. thank you pam. nt |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
13. Separating the Field Negro from the House Negro was a divisive |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Lincoln made no difference |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. The emancipation was economical as well as political. n/t |
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gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Your answer to ignored |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Nothing wrong with being pissed |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Lincoln freed the slaves because he thought they would take up arms against the Confederacy. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:44 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. ... Viewed from the genuine abolition ground, Mr. Lincoln seemed tardy, cold, dull, and indifferent; |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
187. I know it's absurdly late in this thread to bother to point this out... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:40 AM Response to Original message |
25. Here's a "field negro" |
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VespertineIconoclast (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I'm glad you put this pic up. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I think Pam's House Blend is actually a great & informative blog. But she was coy in describing |
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VespertineIconoclast (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Before today, |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
52. "After they glue the anuses of homosexuals, |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. When confronted with this evidence, the result should be unity not enmity. |
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queerart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Thank You For Your Post (nt) |
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VespertineIconoclast (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. I don't think that anyone here is saying that suffering does not occur |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Pam Spaulding: Black, Gay and Reclaiming 'Civil Rights' |
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VespertineIconoclast (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Thank you for the great article. |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. A pertinent voice. |
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VespertineIconoclast (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Exactly. |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Persecution is persecution |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Thank you |
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VespertineIconoclast (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I hope to disavow you of |
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VespertineIconoclast (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Did you by any chance see my post in response to another poster on this thread? |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
75. "you seem to want to make this a "tit for tat" argument" |
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queerart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Just An Interesting Fact |
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VespertineIconoclast (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. I understand your ire; |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Wow. If You Thought I Was Mad, You REALLY Don't Know Me. |
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VespertineIconoclast (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:52 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. We are on the same page. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #55 |
86. We have the right to our COLLECTIVE history as gay people. |
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VespertineIconoclast (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:20 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. I know that you have not read my responses to some of the other posters. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. "Brief"? This appears to be playing "Oppression Olympics" |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Here's a link to post #56: |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Here's the point you missed |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. Here's the point you miss: |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. "Our stories" are not all the same. |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #109 |
117. I didn't say they were the same, read it again. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. Funny you say "people are talking past each other." That's what you are doing. |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #119 |
126. You saw that did you? But not the invitation to unite with LGBT people? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. So far you have |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. No confrontation on my part. Feel free to ally with LGBT people at any time. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. If you bothered to read or consider any of my posts here or other posts and OP |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #131 |
138. It's no game. And we don't have to make this personal. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. It is a game. Apparently you don't play fair. Just project and insinuate. No thank you. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. I think VespertineIconoclast is a person of color... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. Starry please don't be confused |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. I'm not confused at all omega. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Your assumptions were incorrect |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. What assumptions? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. . |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. . |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #94 |
121. In the scale of Human History, 87 years is brief. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #121 |
137. OK |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #137 |
147. Thanks for giving me more to work with, trying to figure out what you were talking about. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #147 |
158. "Taunt"? "Sanctimonious tone"? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Be sure to thank jackasses like Andrew Sullivan who supported the invasion: |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Do you honestly think people here have any admiration for Captain Bareback? n/t |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Don't you just love |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. You'd think that someone who apparently monitors this forum 24/7 |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #59 |
173. I guess that response is easier than reading the LAT article I linked and recognizing that the |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #173 |
174. Any reasonably bright person knows that. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #174 |
175. Your response can serve as a good example of the sort of tactics used to disrupt grassroots groups |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #175 |
176. And your endless smug, masturbatory pontificating is an example |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #176 |
177. Your response can serve as a good example of the sort of tactics used to disrupt grassroots groups |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #177 |
178. Indeed |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. He has as much credibility as Jayson Blair. n/t |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. I cannot speak for either Sullivan or Aravosis |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
27. honestly, this article and this post is inflammatory. there are comparisons |
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VespertineIconoclast (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I agree with your sentiment. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. i think depending on the time and the place comparisons to slavery can be made by the womens rights |
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VespertineIconoclast (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. To some degree, I agree with you; |
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Veruca Salt (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
78. +1 |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
155. What "THE civil rights movement" are you referring to? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:54 AM Response to Reply #155 |
172. Are you unfamiliar with recent history? |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #172 |
180. No, I'm not |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #180 |
181. Um, no, there haven't. Maybe you don't know your history. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #181 |
186. So, you're agreeing with me, then? |
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keepCAblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
28. I think "house Negro" perfectly describes Barney Frank... |
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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. bingo, |
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keepCAblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
40. In re: this post being inflammatory or racist... |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Thank you. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Thank you |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
60. This sums it up for me: |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
44. If I was one of those gay A-listers invited to the White House, I would accept the invitation |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
62. Eartha is dead . . . |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Eartha was a field negro too, the real McCoy, from the cotton fields of South Carolina |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
49. It was divisive and unproductive when Malcolm X did it, and it is now divisive again. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. the writer of the post is black |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. It's an easy mistake to make. n/t |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
79. She can still be wrong. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. You should sign up at her site and tell her how wrong she is. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Here is Mr. John Aravosis, self-identified Field Negro |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Warning: Graphic images |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #84 |
184. The difference between your images #1, #2, #4 and slavery/JimCrow is this: |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #184 |
191. Is trauma, violence and terror used as a means of control? Does it send a message? |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. It seems everyone's stuck on metaphor vs. literal |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. you wrote a very good note, but .. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. So...none of the slaves were gay? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #91 |
116. again the person using the black history in this case is black unlike you |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #116 |
145. so that negates what I have to say? |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:57 AM Response to Reply #145 |
188. Now this is funny... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #145 |
196. according to you, it does |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #145 |
222. no, it does not...i don't care for the analogy either |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 06:59 AM Response to Reply #80 |
89. Pam lives in North Carolina |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #89 |
118. As an AA and lesbian Pam has a right to quote MalcomX - except when it comes to gay rights? |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #118 |
127. Of course |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #127 |
132. True. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. Indeed |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. Pam was right, they have to suspend reality |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. And you can be wrong, too. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. I'd rather get results the right way. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #90 |
113. The OP used the words of Malcolm X to make a comparison of tactics. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #113 |
135. Pam called out the Pettifoggers in our midst. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #135 |
183. There is a need for Pettifoggers to balance the effects of Historyfoggers |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:55 AM Response to Reply #183 |
189. Really?? This is your answer to the question of "misappropriation, or not misappropriation?" |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #189 |
190. The notion is one of codified, institutionalized, discrimintation. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #190 |
193. It is a disservice to your readers to downplay Jim Crow |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #190 |
195. Succinct and compelling. The parallels are unarguable, I'd say. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #195 |
197. only if you ignore what Jim Crow actually was |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #197 |
198. ECHO... Echo... echo... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #198 |
199. Given all the evidence, there's really no comparison, no "Gay Jim Crow Laws" |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #199 |
202. I don't know why I even bother to respond to you at this point. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #202 |
204. It's called history. It reverberates now. Your dismissiveness and use of "oppression olympics" is |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #189 |
192. Yes |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #113 |
144. It seems that the point is that the tactic was divisive. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #144 |
152. It was meant to be divisive when Mr. X did it, in my opinion. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #113 |
182. your misleading turnabouts are deliberately inaccurate para-phrasings and are quite nasty |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #90 |
140. I notice that you didn't acknowledge the invitation to ally with and advocate for LGBT people. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #140 |
146. no, I just didn't step into your assigned role for me. |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. Actions speak louder than words, kwassa. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #149 |
153. when you are ready to respond to what I actually write, let me know. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #153 |
160. That behavior was also practiced by |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. If you have to vilify LGBT people, would you please be kind enough to do it out of earshot. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #162 |
166. No one did anything of the sort and you know it, yet you claim it to be true. Unworthy and unfair to |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #153 |
161. Let it rest, kwassa. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #161 |
167. Ah, see, another dirty trick, the reversal. I hope this doesn't do too much damage here. It can't |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #167 |
169. You're making a lame attempt to get this thread locked. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #169 |
170. You're making stuff up and pretending it's true |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #149 |
159. Your actions are deafening |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #159 |
163. You're just looking for a fight. Any confrontation will do. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #163 |
165. Not at all. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #79 |
201. Deleted message |
queerart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #201 |
203. You Know....... |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #201 |
206. I'll be happy to talk to you when you calm down. |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. ha, you just got completely destroyed |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. um, no. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #208 |
209. You sure did. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #209 |
210. I screencapped it, too. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #209 |
211. Because you knew |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 02:12 AM Response to Reply #211 |
212. Because it was truth to fucking power. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 02:29 AM Response to Reply #212 |
214. AND |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 02:52 AM Response to Reply #214 |
215. Deleted message |
omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 03:14 AM Response to Reply #215 |
217. So there was some other reason many poster were anticipating the post would disappear? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 04:08 AM Response to Reply #212 |
219. I've got screencaps of all of this. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #212 |
221. No, it wasn't that, either. I also saved it. |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 02:27 AM Response to Reply #209 |
213. I saved it to a Word document. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 03:25 AM Response to Reply #208 |
218. I think . . . |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #206 |
220. You were owned and then some |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
100. Malcolm X was black |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #100 |
112. I admit to having no real expertise on Malcom X |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. IMHO the poster explained some history, asked good questions, wasn't "telling black people" |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #114 |
124. this is that posters first post |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #112 |
179. Malcolm X |
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