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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:18 PM
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Obama's Silence - The Advocate comes out swinging and hits a home run
Edited on Fri May-29-09 09:22 PM by FreeState
http://www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid87139.asp

...snip... Cut to the summation of the 3 page article....


Here’s my thoroughly unscientific, crude analysis: Gay baby boomers typically stayed in the closet because they didn’t want their lives to be ruined; LGBT Gen-Xers expected that we (I'm an Xer) could be mostly visible without fearing life, limb, and job loss but figured there might be some trade-offs in rights even if we knew it was unfair; a majority of millennials, LGBT and straight, just don’t get why we all pay the same taxes, work the same jobs, make the same contributions, but queer people don’t enjoy the same legal rights and protections in the military, civil marriage, employment, or anywhere else for that matter.

So while Washington tinkers around the edges of LGBT rights -- maybe trying to get gay couples counted in the Census, strengthening federal hate-crimes protections, or providing same-sex partner health benefits to federal workers -- our nation’s young may simply wonder why their best friends can’t get married or why their sisters and brothers died cloaked in the closet of our country’s uniform.

I’m quite confident that is not the “change” they envisioned at the ballot box last fall, and I do wonder, what will be the price of President Obama’s silence among the ranks of our nation’s future?
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:20 PM
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1. Many of us still await the "change we can believe in"
...on so many fronts...
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:27 PM
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2. recommend
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:32 PM
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3. I think I agree with your analysis
I don't really know where I fall in the generational timeline. I'll be turning 28 tomorrow, and I've alternately read that I fall at the very end of Gen X or the very beginning of the Millenials.

Regardless, I definitely agree that it's a generational thing. People around my age and younger simply can't fathom why LGBT are not equal already. Maybe it's that younger people haven't been around long enough to be told "this isn't realistic". The baby steps are better than nothing stuff just doesn't fly with them. Some of the more apolitical kids don't even realize gay marriage is illegal in most places, or that LGBT can be fired in most places with no recourse. It's just inconceivable to them that that kind of unfairness could possibly stand.

That's what really gives me hope about all of this.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:41 PM
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5. It's actually not mine - that's the Advocate - I agree with you and the article as well
I have younger sisters who are very LDS and also very pro-marriage equality. It does give me much hope;)
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:47 PM
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7. Somebody stop the presses
I'm actually agreeing with the Advocate! I may need to screenshot this! :rofl:
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:55 PM
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8. I know it shocked me as well LOL -
Usually the Advocate is anything but hard hitting or informed but lately things are changing... I think they have new owners?
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 12:23 AM
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10. My stepdad, fifty-something years old, socially liberal yets votes Republican (don't ask)
thought gay marriage was legal...nationwide. And he couldn't figure out why it wasn't yet when I informed him otherwise.

:wtf:
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:40 PM
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4. Obama's silence on this shows he is not to be trusted on anything.
He will say one thing to get votes and then ignore that he ever said it once he's in office, like any other opportunistic politician. His "change" was nothing but a shell game.

It's especially infuriating and disgusting where GLBT issues are concerned, because these are people's LIVES Obama is fucking with as he trends ever to the right, truly indifferent to the crashing of the hopes he so cruelly raised.



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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:45 PM
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6. Obama is paying a huge price for his moral cowardice
Edited on Fri May-29-09 09:46 PM by Juche
His reversal on single payer and gay marriage has done a great deal of damage to his reputation IMO, far more than he would've experienced by standing up for his principals and alienating a few conservative democrats. Obama's willingness to abandon his principals under the slightest risk is doing far more damage than anything else, esp when he tries to give a speech about values and principals (which is his bread and butter) it is hard to take it seriously. Besids, issues like gay marriage and single payer have the support of 50%+ of the public.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0109/Obama_backed_samesex_marriage_in_1996.html

I favor legalizing same-sex marriages,and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages - Obama in 1996


The author's insight into millenials (I am one) is dead on. It is an issue of fairness and civil rights for many of us.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 10:03 PM
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9. millennials
I think I understand the young about this issue, and many others. I grew up in the fifties, when the pace of life was much slower. In college I studied tube electronics for goodness sakes! These kids however have grown up un the computer world and their mentality is like comparing a snail to the SR-70 Blackbird. It is my hope that they will be our salvation, as my generation, while we tried hard, has failed to bring about the change we all know is needed.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:38 AM
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11. I agree, I think it's time for boomers to step aside
I think people eventually get comfortable, entrenched, develop habits and expectations and just get beaten down.

However, there is one last final and dangerous stage that the status quo should not forget, people can actually get old enough where there is little left to lose and if we don't grab the golden ring now, then it's never. Boomers may yet have a final awakening and lend their voices to the things that seemed important once and then just became relegated to "causes" and dismissed.


I have great hopes for the new crop coming up, they are quite amazing and very smart.

The government and politicians move glacially. I am a bit surprised though, I thought this time around my vote would bring change and we were getting someone without the old baggage.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 05:39 PM
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21. I disagree. the boomers and everyone needs to make this happen
together. the young don't have any special powers. we didn't. but we got this far and together with everyone we can get to the end.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 07:49 AM
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12. Here is what I think is missing from the generational concept being
put forth. I agree the younger generations are much better on human equality, gay inclusive. What is missing is the reasons why that is. Some say computers, and that does help. But gee, who put the content onto the computers that leads to young folks becoming more open minded?
The Advocate author says "LGBT Gen-Xers expected that we (I'm an Xer) could be mostly visible without fearing life, limb, and job loss..." as if that was some form of natural state, part of the rich hearty goodness of his generation, when the fact is they felt safe to be more out because of all the work other generations had done before them. They did not just magically 'expect' they could live more openly, they were taught to expect more by their more courageous elders, who had blazed the way. The author smugly generalizes that former generations reamined closeted. The following ones magically evolved. People like Harvey Milk never existed. The long list of writers, actors, musicians and viz artists that were the brave 'first outs' were all Boomers or older. McKellen to Ellen, no kids in sight. I just last night watched Adam Lambert, 27, hem and haw about 'if' he's gay. In 2009, while being Adam Lambert, internet boy kisser. Not exactly Sir Ian taking the plunge. He did not seem to be swathed in bold expectations to me. All the fuss over the Idol show and the man is not even officially out yet. He did Idol from the closet. Folks assuming does not count, living openly counts. Lambert, thus far, is not out, while dozens of his 'elders' are miles from the closest closet.
My point is not to diminish the younger generations, but to point out that there is a process, a history, a chain. "Xers" did not pop out better, they grew up being shown examples of freedom, with acess to film and literature with gay characters and themes. All of these things were made for them by those who lived before them, not just boomers, even older people than that, if such a thing can be imagined.
The AIDS crisis times took many of our wise minds too early. This made an actual generation gap. A lower population among some age groups. So of course the 'boomers' had organized all of that, lived through threats of quarantine camps, a disease with no known cause, no Insurance covering it, no charities in place to serve those in need, and a public awareness of gay issues that was almost purely hostile.
All of the 'expectations' of the Xers are in fact gifts they were given, out of love and hope, by their elders. I'm the age of the President, and I've been out since I was 19. Because I'd known so many out people already and because of Harvey and Briggs and all of that. Everything I learned and all of my courage to live openly came from older people, many of them no longer with us. People from the 'beatnik' generation. Burroughs and Ginsberg to name a couple who were at it when I was but a baby. The way I lived as a young man was only possible because of what those before me had done, and what older people were still doing as I came up.
You see, my Grand Pa came from Ireland on a slow uncomfortable boat, while I have made many Atlantic crossings in a matter of hours on comfy jets. This is not because my generation is smarter, it is because Grand Pa's generation built aviation and designed jetliners.
The younger generations are more accepting and more accepted because of much hard work by generations who went before. There is much more wisdom, in my view, in seeing the ladder of history we are all climbing, as opposed to each generation making the crazed assumption that they built the first ladder, and took the first steps.
It is always easier to be the generation to dwell in a new city than to be the generation that founds and builds a new city. We need the combined energies and points of view of all generations to achieve what we must, which is to make it even better for those even younger, for those yet to be born. That is why we must insist on change, and never stop insisting, no matter. Not for us, for the next crew.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:59 AM
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13. You should OP this, BNW.
It's good stuff... and more people will see it.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:22 PM
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14. Excuse me. Gay boomers pioneered coming out of the closet when it was dangerous to do so.
Edited on Sat May-30-09 01:31 PM by David Zephyr
What a fucking crock of shit.

When I came out as a teenager in the 1960's, there were no GLBT organizations (all started by Boomers like me) to turn to.

When I marched on Hollywood Boulevard in our first public gatherings, there was no cheering from the sidewalks...only jeers and rocks and beer cans hurled at us with the police bullying us.

I'm happy our young GLBT sisters and brothers have more and more rights codified into laws, but the chains that would have been shackling them did not magically disappear, they were torn off by gay Boomers like myself and my activist friends giving decades of their life in that struggle.

Maybe the next time that this "writer" for the Advocate wants to pontificate about gay boomers staying in the closet, he/she might want to actually incorporate a brain into the skull. The writer's words are insulting to the memories of my friends who are now dead, who spent their short lives below the poverty level while they actually fought for all of our rights.

The Advocate's writer was correct in stating that his words were a "thoroughly unscientific, crude analysis". He should have also added insulting and disgraceful.

Unfuckingbelievable! Now everyone go dance and congratulate yourselves for your progress that came out of fucking nowhere.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:28 PM
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15. sadly the young have no sense of history
Our gay young have no sense of gay history. I am about half way between your generation and the one who wrote the article. Sadly I don't think we were much better. I think every generation thinks it invented the wheel so to speak when we really built upon each other. Even your generation did have a few examples Harry Hay, Quentin Crisp, and others.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:33 PM
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16. The difference is that my generation honored Harry Hay.
I volunteered in his little library in the 1970's. This article was shit.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:42 PM
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17. Ours got busy with AIDS and I think that made it harder for history
to be continuous. Until our history is taught in schools, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen, our youth will be ignorant of our history. I think losing the AIDS generation served to destroy our sense of continuity. Regardless of why, it is pretty sad.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:33 PM
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19. You hit on the biggest point of all: The AIDS quilt.
A big chunk of my generation of gay men didn't stay in the closet, they are patches on the national AIDS quilt.

What a vile piece of shit the Advocate allowed to be published.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:26 PM
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18. He should've been at the first "GayIn" in GG Park
Edited on Sat May-30-09 02:31 PM by mitchtv
circa '69-'70 It had an extemrly colorful representation from all parts of the Gay world in SF; There were several squads of police encircling Speedway meadows with all the accoutrements de guerr. From mounted to the infamous "Honda Hogs" on their Honda 90s Of course Tac Squad was there too. They knew who to grab first. Well no one blinked and went on to enjoy a day in the park, The FootlightsClub , a gay commune was there along with "The Honeymoon hotel" house that was a core house of the Cockettes,( see " Elevator Girls In Bondage"). Our house was there, too.So ther was a lot of genderfuck and sequins , a few, elaborate headdresses. Plus the usual Gay Lib regulars. THE POLICE, all the while hiding in the bushes surrounding Speedway. Apparently when the afternoon waned on with no provocation. The pigs started rounding up the Tenderloin crowd (Lots of Drag) and putting them in the black moria. Everyone on surrounded the event and jeered the police as one by one the queens were escourted into the awaiting paddywagon. We gave each and everyone a round of applause and they waved to the crowd back. sadly there were few camera phones around, like none.they got a few of us but they had to do it publically, in front of a disapproving crowd. San Francisco was considered a Gay friendly city.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 04:12 PM
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20. You know, if Obama has lost The Advocate, then he's fucking up.
This is, after all, a magazine whose standard article is " likes us! Really likes us!!" We're not talking about the gay equivalent to The Daily Worker here.
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