Update on DU Pro-Choice group...

[bliss_eternal]

...proposal.

Hi All,
Just completed the first draft of a possible mission statement for our group. If you've already expressed interest in this group, please follow this link and look at the statement:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=341x9372#9410

feel free to post any comments about the statement on that thread! Primarily, I need to know if you would like me to move forward and submit the mission statement, as it is presently written as the proposal for our group's creation. If not, please let me know what changes would you like to see made and why.


Sorry I've been out of touch, DU's been down a lot lately and I've had trouble getting here.

I appreciate your patience, hopefully I'll be able to submit the request for our group very soon!

Best,
bliss :hi:

[smokey nj]

1. Thank you bliss_eternal!!!!!

:yourock:

[iverglas]

2. oh no, paco

You've fallen for the shell game:

Third trimester abortion procedures shall be called that, and NOT partial birth abortions.

No no no no no!

An ID&E abortion is a *procedure*, not an abortion performed at a particular stage of pregnancy.

Many ID&E abortions are *not* performed in the third trimester.

That is what the anti-choice want us to think -- that they are talking about abortions performed at a stage when a fetus is hypothetically viable -- but that is *not* what they are talking about!

You gotta change it, to:

Intact dilation and extraction abortion procedures shall be called that, and NOT partial birth abortions.

!

Yr humble servant,

[bliss_eternal]

4. Ah--excellent point...!

Thank YOU, iverglas! Do forgive me. It was SO late, and I was very tired--not even sure if my post was going to be successful due to all the outages of the board. I seem to recall a tiny, little voice inside saying "procedure" yet I ignored it. :blush: So glad you caught it!

I am noting your change, and will be sure to change it PRIOR to passing it on to Skinner. Thanks again! :hi:

[iverglas]

3. oops, another quibble

If you think ... women use it as a means of birth control, ...

Women do use abortion as birth control. Abortion prevents birth. That's the purpose of birth control.

Obviously, abortion isn't *contraception*, and many people, sometimes for their own idiosyncratic reasons and sometimes out of genuine concern for women's well-being, would prefer that women use contraception to prevent pregnancy rather than rely on abortion to terminate pregnancy.

But it still, fundamentally, is not my or anyone else's business how a woman chooses to control when and whether she has children. (Apart from it being my general business as a member of humanity and a human society and community, and specifically as a woman and feminist in a context in which women are vulnerable, to try to ensure that people have the options and information that enable them to act in their own best interests, I hope it would be understood.)

Suggesting that thinking that women use abortion as a means of birth control is demeaning to women is itself a negative comment on women who do use abortion as a means of birth control, and I like to stay away from negative judgments about other women and their choices.

I'm feeling a bit like how I felt about Humanist Manifesto II, which contained a whole load of junk about things like people's unusual sexual preferences and activities that really has nothing to do with the fundamental principles of secular humanism, some of which I disagreed with for very good humanist reasons. Micro-managing of the philosophy tends to rule out people who should be ruled in -- whose disagreements are within the framework of the philosophy, not contrary to it.

So ...

if this seems TOO MUCH, don't hesitate to let me know.

Here ya go. ;) I'd prune it a bit, down to principles rather than practice.

[uppityperson]

6. I agree, this part I disagree with "women use it as a means of birth control,"

because that is what it is, birth control. There are some women who use it as a primary form, but I agree the vast majority do not use it as their primary form of birth control, but it is birth control. Other than that, it looks good and thank you.

[MountainLaurel]

5. Have you heard from the Admins yet?

:shrug:

[Kool Kitty]

7. Terrific.

I hope you do this, I'm in.