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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 11:47 AM
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Did Adam have a navel?
Let's forget the Intelligent Design deceit for a moment and focus on the actual concept, creationism. Creationist philosophers argue that Adam had a navel. That is, that Adam was created fully functional, to include matter in various stages of digestion, ear wax, and belly button lint. As if he had been born and grown to adulthood. This is proposed as an explanation for the geological record found on Earth. Specifically, that both Adam and the Earth were created as if born in order to avoid the difficulty, at least in Adam's case, that would exist if he were fundamentally different from his born descendants.

But if one follows this argument to conclusion, then God intended that the Earth appear to have a "maturation" process that included fossil deposits, and thus that its "birth and growth", to include the life forms it supports, occurred through the process of evolution. By this argument, it is God's will that we assume evolution. By their own argument the pious are required, in service of their God, to learn as much as possible about evolution, if for no other reason, as an aid in understanding the Mind of God. The truly devout, rather than arguing against evolution should instead aggressively seek out evolutionary teachings as a material form of Divine Word.

If one accepts the arguments of the Creationists, then an understanding of evolution is both more profound and more important than the written scripture.


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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 11:49 AM
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1. Well, he had nipples, so, yeah, why not a useless navel?
and appendix one assumes
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 11:49 AM
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2. Whatever, humans evolved just like everything else nt
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cloud_chaser1 Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:00 PM
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3. No, Adam did not have a navel.
But he lacked one other more important thing......

Happily, he had no Mother-In-Law.
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:01 PM
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4. This belongs in the religion forum
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LiberalPartisan Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:08 PM
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5. All the answers
Edited on Mon Dec-26-05 12:26 PM by LiberalPartisan
can be found near Cinncinatti, OH at soon to open Creation Museum: http://www.answersingenesis.org/museum/


Here we see Adam naming animals.



Incredible.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:10 PM
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6. I dunno but they had the first computers...
Eve had an Apple, Adam had a Wang.




;-)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:14 PM
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7. No he didn't.
There is no proof of a first man and woman, named Adam and Eve, nor a Garden of Eden.

So since he most likely didn't exist, neither did his navel. This reasoning is as valid as the Creationist's reasoning.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:15 PM
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8. one of the things that has always
fascinated me is that the oldest art in the world is about 60,000 years old and it is a picture of a woman giving birth.

I spoke with a Catholic priest not long ago (we were at the Sept march in DC) and I asked him what he thought the whole Adam and Eve thing was about and he told me that the Church no longer believed that myth, all I could say was so Adam came from a woman and therefore God was a woman. He looked at me in horror (I'm sure that was heresy to him) but he did not deny it.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:25 PM
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11. I converted to Judiasm years ago ...
... but I was brought up Catholic, and attended a Catholic school, taught by nuns (Sisters of St. Joseph).

When I was in the sixth grade (in the late 'fifties!), we had a very young teacher, newly confirmed into the order, who told the class (during a discussion on Genesis) that the Bible, especially the Old Testament, was never meant to be taken literally.

It caused quite a stir when we all went home and mentioned her remarks to our parents. The young nun later addressed the issue in class -- she didn't backtrack on what she'd said, but apologized for leading a discussion that we were too young to truly grasp ...
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:26 PM
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12. Oh he probably lights candles to the Queen of Heaven aka
Edited on Mon Dec-26-05 01:30 PM by Cleita
the Virgin Mary all the time. The Great Mother has many names. He no doubt says his Rosary every day too.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:21 PM
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9. And where did Adam's daughters-in-law come from?
Seth and the others had wives so they could start begatting - where did their spouses come from?
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:27 PM
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10. Easy..They came from the other...
.. Dimension ..as stated in the holy "Intelligent Quantum Mechanics"
..Praise be!
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 09:47 PM
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13. No, but he had a tangerine and a grapefruit
Oh wait, you wrote "navel." My mistake.
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 10:46 PM
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14. Yes he did.
I'm sure Adam was the proof of the first casting, so I'd imagine God would want him with structually correct, if prototype, non-functioning parts.
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