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smb (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:51 PM Original message |
Holocaust Left "Indelible Mark Of Shame," Pope Says |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. Pope Ratz only took part in it for the Hitler discount.... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. do you have a mainstream link to that gun part of the story? |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Try this.... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 06:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. this isn't funny...people died, people were forced to do things |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 08:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. And some people went along with it willingly |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
53. Yes some did, but I think this pope was not one of those |
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Midwest_Doc (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. He should Know.... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Give that man a cigar! |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 07:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Part of it because he was a German? |
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Midwest_Doc (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 08:03 AM Response to Reply #24 |
41. Wrong! |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. This Pope Looks Like The Evil Emperor |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
4. Well ArighTY Then. Any Time to Comment on the Current Mark of Shame? |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
5. RAT-boy was Kapo, wasn't he? |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. the man was NOT a nazi |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. "unenthusiastic member who refused to attend meetings. " |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 05:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. So you call him a fucking nazi |
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da_chimperor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 06:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Don't bother trying to convince them. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. If the lies aren't disputed, more and more people will believe them |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 11:43 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. I don't like this either. My husband was born in the ruins of |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 04:56 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. This isn't about yr husband, it's about a member of the Hitler Youth... |
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mare (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:12 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. For the last damn time: |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:22 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Thanks Mare. EOM. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:34 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. I heard you the first time and yr wrong... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 01:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. You are incorrect. "Any German... " Pretty broad brush there |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 01:53 AM Response to Reply #47 |
66. It would help if you addressed what I actually said... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 03:15 AM Response to Reply #66 |
77. What you said? Don't you mean what you wrote? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 03:26 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Okay, for yr benefit, change 'said' to 'wrote'... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 03:38 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. It's for my benefit? I don't think so. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 03:47 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. What has this got to do with the topic of the thread? |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 04:04 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Why do you ask? Don't you know? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 04:06 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. No. I've got no idea... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 11:15 AM Response to Reply #87 |
96. That's sad |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:21 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Please do not talk to ME about Nazis. I think I have a LITTLE |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:38 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:54 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Deleted sub-thread |
Midwest_Doc (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:41 AM Response to Reply #34 |
92. It's Not A Matter of Forgiveness |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 02:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
48. Deleted sub-thread |
barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. Excellent point, this happened to thousands of German families |
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Midwest_Doc (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
91. You are wrong |
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mare (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
31. Not true. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:17 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Isn't it interesting... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
58. Good point, I am asking the same question a lot these days |
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Midwest_Doc (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
90. The Pope's Father Was Courageous |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
9. What's this "we" nonsense, Ratzy? |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 05:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. DId you want the Church to send out its 50 Swiss Guards out or |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 06:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. I think the Church did aid and abet |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 06:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Trying to stay removed is not tacit support or aiding and abetting |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:29 AM Response to Reply #22 |
36. The only revisionism I'm seeing is from you... |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Thank you |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 02:29 AM Response to Reply #45 |
69. No worries. Glad someone in this thread is interested in facts... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Talk about blame-game |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 02:22 AM Response to Reply #50 |
68. You claimed something that's been proven wrong... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 03:01 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. You seem to imply that the US and Britain are responsible for |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 03:05 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. What I was doing was proving yr claim wrong... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 03:41 AM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Try to focus on my question of what your country was doing |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 04:33 AM Response to Reply #82 |
88. I don't understand why yr asking that question... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 03:24 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Addressing the tangent about Australia's WWII standing with Britain... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 03:53 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Well we now both agree it wasn't some little colony. We are making |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 04:05 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. I never said it was some little colony... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #86 |
97. Nor I. It's an independent nation and can take action itself |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 12:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
44. Thank you |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
51. Really? "List of people who helped Jews during the Holocaust" |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
52. JEWISH HISTORIAN PRAISES PIUS XII'S WARTIME CONDUCT |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
46. You eagerness to defend the indefensible is rather touching... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. " the indefensible" |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Please note: |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Beautifully stated, Colorado Blue |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:59 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Thanks Barb. It's good to hear from you - a voice of reason. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 02:47 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. We have been so lucky to be in the US |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 02:34 AM Response to Reply #55 |
70. If yr not in favour of historical inaccuracy... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 03:09 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. I f you're not in favor of historical accuracy |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 03:27 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Huh? |
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DiverDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
12. Indelible Mark Of Shame, huh? |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
56. That was TOTALLY wrong; they should have defrocked every |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
16. A Very Roman Pope |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
19. Yes and your part of the aids epeidemic!!! |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
23. So the Pope is against AIDS and the Holocaust. WHy trash him |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
25. Then he'll have no problem releasing the classified vatican dox |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
57. They were so wrong on the pedophilia problem it is beyond belief. |
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Mike_The_Computer (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
27. ...but Ratz's stepped-up demonization of gays is A-OK, apparently. |
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Midwest_Doc (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 08:19 AM Response to Reply #27 |
42. Absolutely Correct! |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
61. I suspect he doesn't see it that way. |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:03 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. If he thinks of them as "god's children" as you say then it's kind of |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:41 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Gays can get communion, right? |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 01:02 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. The Catholic Church actively tries to deny people equal rights. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 02:41 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. I specifically stated "...being preached in certain mosques " |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 03:07 AM Response to Reply #71 |
75. This thread isn't about Muslims, barb... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 04:38 AM Response to Reply #75 |
89. It's about religion and this is the religion forum |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 11:15 AM Response to Reply #75 |
95. I will reply to other posters if you don't mind |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:45 AM Response to Reply #63 |
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Midwest_Doc (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:44 AM Response to Reply #61 |
93. Where is there ANY EVIDENCE ..... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 11:35 AM Response to Reply #93 |
98. I don't know |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
101. I've got news for him |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 09:54 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Good! and I am glad for your friends who are good priests |
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ReadTomPaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
28. Aslan should eat him. n/t |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
40. The Pope is infallible, I just wish he'd catch up on current events. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
60. HAHAHA! In 2100 AD, maybe, they will catch up to 2005 |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
43. Concerned about AIDS, but god forbid we talk about condoms.... |
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Goldensilence (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 01:53 AM Response to Reply #43 |
67. there was this thing |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 11:37 AM Response to Reply #67 |
99. hmmm, never heard that. |
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Goldensilence (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:07 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. really? |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 08:58 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Lyndon Larouche is editor on this link; he's a really conservative |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 10:16 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Thank you. nt |
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