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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:49 PM
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Vatican Lists Pollution As New Sin
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mostpopular/15552980/detail.html

Mortal sins are updated

THE Vatican has extended its list of mortal sins to include 21st-century problems and issues such as genetic experimentation, pollution, drug abuse and excessive wealth.
Published in the Vatican's official newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, the revised list was revealed at the end of a week-long refresher course for priests on the sacrament of confession. Traditionally, mortal sins are those which are a breach of the Ten Commandments – murder, adultery, theft and lying, to name a few.

But now to this list has been added genetic experimentation, tampering with the order of nature, pollution, social injustice, causing poverty, accumulating excessive wealth, and drug abuse.

http://news.scotsman.com/world/Mortal-sins-are-updated.3859368.jp

Thou shalt not commit a genetic experiment
Sunday, March 9, 2008

... Bishop Gianfranco Girotti .. in charge of the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican department which runs the confession refresher course .... said: 'Today there are various new sins which concern the rights of the individual and society and above all these are in the field of bioethics.

'Within this, there are several fundamental violations of nature taking place – experiments, genetic manipulation, which are very difficult to control.

'Socially there is the field of drugs which weaken both intelligence and physically, leaving many youngsters outside the church circuit.

'Then elsewhere socially, we have inequality of wealth with the poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer, this in turns feeds an ever growing social injustice,' he added.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=113822&in_page_id=34

Vatican lists "new sins," including pollution
Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:59am EDT
By Philip Pullella

... Girotti, in an interview headlined "New Forms of Social Sin," also listed "ecological" offences as modern evils ...

Under Benedict and his predecessor John Paul, the Vatican .... has installed photovoltaic cells on buildings to produce electricity and hosted a scientific conference to discuss the ramifications of global warming and climate change, widely blamed on human use of fossil fuels.

Girotti, who is number two in the Vatican "Apostolic Penitentiary," which deals with matter of conscience, also listed drug trafficking and social and economic injustices as modern sins ...

http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSL109602320080310


Wealth, pollution now deadly sins

... The new deadly sins that may lead to eternal damnation are polluting, genetic engineering, being obscenely rich, drug dealing, abortion, pedophilia and causing social injustice, The Times newspaper has reported.

Quoting from Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano, The Times reported that certain actions were so unholy that they needed to be deemed as “mortal sins” – not the less serious “venial sins”.

The man in charge of examining confessions and indulgences for the Vatican, Monsignor Gianfranco Girotti, told the Vatican newspaper that priests should be aware of the “new” sins.

“New sins have appeared on the horizon of humanity as a corollary of the unstoppable process of globalisation,” Monsignor Girotti said ...

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23348817-5007061,00.html

Recycle or go to Hell - the Vatican extends its list of mortal sins
By NICK PISA
Last updated at 12:51pm on 10th March 2008

... Traditionally mortal sins are acts which breach the Ten Commandments, which prohibit such acts as murder, theft, adultery and 'bearing false witness' against your neighbour and which Christians and Jews believe to be the revealed law of God.

From this the Roman Catholic Church deduced that there were seven deadly sins - pride, envy, gluttony, lust, anger, greed and sloth.

But it is now offering a modern 'social' perspective ...

The new seven deadly sins are those of drug abuse, genetic manipulation, morally dubious experimentation, environmental pollution, social inequalities and social injustice, causing poverty and accumulating excessive wealth at the expense of the common good of society ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=529010&in_page_id=1770

March 10, 2008, 3:01 pm
Seven More Sins, Thanks to Vatican
By Mike Nizza

... “While sin used to concern mostly the individual, today it has mainly a social resonance,” Monsignor Gianfranco Girotti told L’Osservatore Romano, Vatican City’s local paper. Bloomberg News parsed his remarks into a clip-n-savable list:

1. “Bioethical” violations such as birth control
2. “Morally dubious” experiments such as stem cell research
3. Drug abuse
4. Polluting the environment
5. Contributing to widening divide between rich and poor
6. Excessive wealth
7. Creating poverty

The message, according to a leading scholar on Catholic thought talking to BBC News, was meant as a reality check to priests “not sufficiently attuned to some of the real evils in our world.” There is more to life than following the Ten Commandments, it would seem ...

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/seven-more-sins-thanks-to-vatican/

Genetic modification joins lust on mortal sins list - March 10, 2008

... In an interview with the Vatican’s newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, senior cleric Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary which is in charge of confession, was asked “What are the new sins in your opinion?” Along with drug use and social injustice he listed genetic manipulation and experiments on humans.

Girotti also gave a speech on the subject and is quoted in the Times as saying, “You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbour’s wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable scientific experiments, or allowing genetic manipulations which alter DNA or compromise embryos.” ...

Some newspapers appear to have done some creative accounting on this article, making it into ‘seven new deadly sins’. These are “genetic modification, carrying out experiments on humans, polluting the environment, causing social injustice, causing poverty, becoming obscenely wealthy and taking drugs were all mortal sins” in the Daily Telegraph. Down in Australia they are “polluting, genetic engineering, obscene riches, taking drugs, abortion, pedophilia and causing social injustice” in the Sydney Morning Herald.

While the Vatican has previously been hostile towards certain aspects of research – such work involving human embryos – Girotti’s statement appears to widen the net and up the stakes. Making these mortal sins, rather than just lesser, ‘venial sins’ which don’t necessarily condemn you to Hell, could make things rather more difficult for Catholics working in these areas, or even working with people who are ...

http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2008/03/genetic_modification_joins_lus.html

08/03/2008 15.57.49
Oggi su "L'Osservatore Romano"

... Nicola Gori intervista monsignor Gianfranco Girotti, vescovo reggente della Penitenzieria a conclusione del corso sul foro interno.

http://www.vaticanradio.org/it1/Articolo.asp?c=191724


Unfortunately I can't retrieve the text of Gori's Girotti interview from L'OR website. But this link seems to contain the Italian text:

A colloquio con il reggente della Penitenzieria a conclusione del Corso per confessori
Le nuove forme del peccato sociale
di Nicola Gori

Manipolazioni genetiche; inquinamento ambientale; sperequazioni sociali; insostenibile ingiustizia sociale: ecco le nuove forme di peccato affacciatesi all'orizzonte dell'umanità, quasi come corollario dell'inarrestabile processo di globalizzazione. Una sfida nuova anche per un dicastero, quello della Penitenzieria Apostolica, che fa fatica a riaffermare persino il proprio ruolo in un'epoca in cui viene meno la stessa percezione del peccato. Monsignor Gianfranco Girotti, vescovo reggente della Penitenzieria, ne parla in questa intervista rilasciata a "L'Osservatore Romano", all'indomani della conclusione del corso per confessori ...

L'attenzione al peccato parte da una sensibilità alle esigenze della società moderna o si muove sulla base di riferimenti del tempo passato?

Il riferimento è sempre la violazione dell'alleanza con Dio e con i fratelli e i riflessi sociali del peccato. Se ieri il peccato aveva una dimensione piuttosto individualistica, oggi esso ha una valenza, ha una risonanza, oltre che individuale, soprattutto sociale, a causa del grande fenomeno della globalizzazione. In effetti, l'attenzione al peccato si presenta più urgente oggi di ieri, proprio per i suoi riflessi che sono più ampi e più distruttivi ...

Quali sono i nuovi peccati secondo lei?

Vi sono varie aree all'interno delle quali oggi cogliamo atteggiamenti peccaminosi nei riguardi dei diritti individuali e sociali. Innanzitutto l'area della bioetica, all'interno della quale non possiamo non denunciare alcune violazioni dei fondamentali diritti della natura umana, attraverso esperimenti, manipolazioni genetiche, i cui esiti è difficile intravedere e tenere sotto controllo. Un'altra area, propriamente sociale, è l'area della droga, attraverso cui si indebolisce la psiche e si oscura l'intelligenza, lasciando molti giovani al di fuori del circuito ecclesiale. Ancora: l'area delle sperequazioni sociali ed economiche: nelle quali i più poveri diventano sempre più poveri e i ricchi sempre più ricchi, alimentando una insostenibile ingiustizia sociale, l'area dell'ecologia, che riveste oggi un rilevante interesse ...

(©L'Osservatore Romano - 9 marzo 2008)
http://www.crismon.it/forum/showthread.php?p=83222

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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:51 PM
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1. So does this mean..........
use paper instead of plastic or you're going to hell?
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boy on the side Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:03 PM
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3. Nothing new here at all...
genetic experimentation, pollution, drug abuse and excessive wealth.

Genetic experimentation? Playing God has always been a 'No No' with the big guy. Ties neatly into the whole anti-abortion thing.

Pollution? God told Adam to shepherd the Earth wisely.

Drug abuse = 'Wanton behavior' Thats old school Boston Catechism stuff.

Excessive wealth? Jesus said "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into heaven"

Nothing new here... Move along, move along.
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EvilAL Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:34 PM
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8. No, it means the Popemobile runs on prayers.
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:52 PM
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2. Does public farting count?
If so I'm so damned :scared:
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boy on the side Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:04 PM
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4. well it is a green house gas
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:13 PM
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5. They must have a special Papal section in Hell
Mortal sin -- "accumulating excessive wealth" -- oh yeah. Ratzie better be packing the flameproof undies to hang with his homies in hell.


And that *excessive wealth* of the Catholic Church runs into yet another newly made mortal sin --

"causing poverty" -- Do ya THINK the rest of the crazy-hatted peons will go to their own little section of hell for demanding money every sunday from their impoverished followers?

Man -- I feel good knowing that each and every one of the popes hit the top of the slide to hell. :happy:

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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:15 PM
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6. when are they going to address OVERPOPULATION?
Or is that only addressable as a Crusade?
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EvilAL Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:30 PM
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7. hahaha, Jesus or no Jesus,
how can anyone take these people seriously?

Everyone should start confessing their pollution sins, that's the only way to avoid eternal damnation. You have to be absolved from the mortal sin or yer fucked.

Forgive me father, I threw out a plastic bag, smoked a couple of cigarettes, let my car idle a little long in the yard, emitted fumes all the way here, just to tell you about the plastic bag.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:05 PM
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9. Nuthin quite so hilarious as claimin th'destruction o'th'planet is a serious matter, eh?
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EvilAL Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:21 PM
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10. Serious or not
pollution can't be a sin.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:33 PM
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11. Destroyin th'earth can't be a violation o'ethical obligations t'neighbors?
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EvilAL Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:44 PM
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12. Well, I pity the fool
who confesses to pollution as a modern mortal sin.
With the oil prices, it must be up to 1.32 "Our Father" per gallon.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:51 PM
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13. So those who despoil th'land should feel no regret and admit no guilt?
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EvilAL Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:59 PM
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14. Not because the church tells them to.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:21 PM
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15. Cuz we should never pay attention t'others who say they think we've done wrong?
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EvilAL Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:31 PM
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16. Not all the others.
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:50 AM
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17. Wow, actually this gives Green Peace permission to use R.C. teaching for preserving the environment.
It won't last long, but every social minded peace-nik needs to use this power to their advantage.
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