God's roll in miscarriages

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Poll question: God's roll in miscarriages

Miscarriage. Is it an abortion by God?

[CTyankee]

1. why the outrage?

Early spontaneous abortions happen frequently, often before a woman has even detected a pregnancy. How/why does this happen so often? Call its cause what you will, Mother Nature, a deity, or whatever.

[dolo amber]

2. Role

:hi:

[bemildred]

3. Don't forget all those sperm and eggs.

God seems to be very wasteful. One might almost say
profligate, except it's probably dangeorus to call God
names too.

[sinkingfeeling]

4. I voted 'yes', even though I actually don't believe God cares to

micromanage human/animal reproduction. But you asked a question that I can never get the 'pro-lifers' to answer: If every fertilized egg is a 'human' life, then why does your God abort so many of them?

"Only about 50% of all zygotes successfully implant in the uterine wall and become embryos. And only about 65% of all embryos lead to live births; the rest (about 35%) are lost to natural miscarriage. Therefore, slightly less than one third of all zygotes lead to live births. These statistics come from Gregg Easterbrook in "Abortion and Brain Waves" (2000) and from Morowitz and Trefil, The Facts of Life. Science and the Abortion Controversy (New York: Oxford University Press, 1992). Easterbrook: only about 32.5% (65% of 50%) of all fertilized ovum are carried to term. Morowitz and Trefil: "slightly fewer than a third of all conceptions (72 percent of 45 percent) lead to a fetus that has a chance of developing." Morowitz and Trefil point out that not all fertilizations result in successful cell division -- some fertilized eggs don't even become blastocysts."

[DemBones DemBones]

5. Here I am, a pro-lifer happy to answer your question!

I suspect many of the pro-lifers you claim couldn't answer your question were just uninformed about the high rate of spontaneous abortion.

You wrote:

"But you asked a question that I can never get the 'pro-lifers' to answer: If every fertilized egg is a 'human' life, then why does your God abort so many of them?"

Again, here I am, a pro-lifer happy to answer your question! :hi:

You're really just asking a variant of "Why does God let people die?" The answer to a religious person is that we are to live with God in perfect happiness in the next life. But most of us, religious or not, believe we're supposed to enjoy life on Earth while we're here so we're not in a hurry to die before our time.

Answering a similar question often asked at DU, "Why are religious people afraid of death?"; they aren't particularly afraid of death but of the pain before death and don't want to die before their time. It's more fear of dying than fear of death. (N.B., some religious people maintain that no one dies before their time; that all our deaths are pre-programmed: there are, in essence, no accidental deaths or homicides.)

God doesn't want people to die at any particular age and doesn't predestine their deaths, in my belief,. So the fact that about a third of all babies who are conceived don't live long enough to be born is no more of a mystery or a concern for me than the fact that 100% of those who survive to be born will eventually die.

God tell us not to kill one another and doesn't say "except for the unborn people"
or "except for the disabled people."

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I hope this is clear enough. If it isn't it's because I have had only 3 hours of sleep in two nights! I'll check back later to see if you have any more questions and to see if my answer sould be revised by a much more alert DB DB. ;-)

[sinkingfeeling]

7. Don't really want to get into this too much, but I don't think you

answered my question either. I'm not a believer in the great, father
God nor the mighty, angry God of the OT. What I find most puzzling about religion is its total lack of logic...and yes, I know, that many answer that with, "you must have faith".

But if you 'believe' that each and every fertilized egg is a human with an unique 'soul', then your God is destroying 62.5% of those souls before they are even able to draw a breath. Now why would he do that? 1)they aren't really the 'innocent' and are being punished? 2) being punished for the sins of their fathers? 3) they are in some way 'defective'? (that would kind of eliminate the old intelligent design concept) 4) because he wants them in heaven, to live in perfect happiness? (why not just keep them there to begin with?)

On the other hand, science does address the questions. There are biological defects within the sperm, within the egg, within the cell division, within the uterine wall, etc. If there were a Creator of this human race, it/he/she did a pretty poor job of designing it! The absolute most amazing piece is the human brain, which begs the question of 'why would this creator give such a powerful brain to people if he didn't want humans to develop it and use it to the extreme?' But then religions would have to deal with the 'free will' and they do not appear able to accept an individual's right to decide for themselves. As Mr. Spock would say, "Highly illogical."

[imenja]

6. another profound theological question

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. I believe that the two babies I miscarried were returned to me as

the two young boys I have now.