LOCK DOWN BROWARD COUNTY (et. al.) RIGHT NOW !!!

[Shalom]

1. Since this study pointed out that Broward county appears to be one of the worst offenders, let us hope that someone RIGHT NOW is making sure that Broward and other prime suspects are being LOCKED DOWN and that all shredding and deletion of files and documents ceases IMMEDIATELY. Since Volusia was so arrogant about continuing their document scrub even after they knew Bev Harris was on their case, just imagine what's been going on in some of these counties RIGHT NOW.

2. Some DU'ers must have been infected by Reich-wing doublethink, since I've seen comment like "even if Kerry gets 260,000 more votes in Florida, he's still doesn't win the election". First of all, if Kerry got 260,000 more votes in Florida, it would be an EARTH-SHAKING event. It would cast doubt over the results not just in Florida, but all over the country. Furthermore, if this paper proves that 260,000 votes were taken from Kerry through one mechanism, it DOES NOT NECESSARILY RULE OUT other forms of fraud. Finally, the 260,000 number is provided with a certain degree of certainty, probably quite conservative. I'm sure the analysis allows for twice as much fraud with a smaller degree of certainty.

3. The AWOL cowardly cokehead commander-in-thief may be going down hard!

[imenja]

1. Official Broward turnout surprisingly low

Official Broward turnout was among the lowest in the state, so it would interesting if there were a few hundred thousand uncounted votes. It is THE most heavily Democratic county in Florida.

[bearfan454]

3. No doubt. n/t

[bullimiami]

14. was the turnout low? historically the raw total is the highest ever.

was the percentage low? Broward has been booming for the last decade.
does anyone have the historic reg voter count?

here are the raw numbers.

Year Total % that went dem
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1984 449077 43% dem
1988 440405 49.8% dem
1992 532934 52% dem
1996 505015 64% dem
2000 575143 68.6% dem
2004 706872 65% dem

the thing i find striking is that the percentage of democratic votes which for 20 years has trended more democratic has suddenly stalled.
Is it the amazing Bush popularity? or was it vote skimming.

going by the trend I would expect Broward to be at least 72% democratic this year. a swing of 7%. 7% of Broward represents almost 50,000 votes. And this is just one county.

[imenja]

15. Yes, compared to other counties

Broward's turnout was 67.1% of registered voters. The average in Florida was 74.2. Sarasota county had 81.6% voter turnout. Those voters in Broward who didn't go to the polls hurt the Democrats badly.
It makes me wonder how effective the Kerry get out the vote efforts were in Broward. Here in Palm Beach we got 75% turnout, but Kerry's margin in the county was less than Gore's in 2000, according to the _Palm Beach Post_. The overall numbers of voters, of course, was substantially higher throughout the state.

Look under the heading "County Reporting." http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

[faithfull]

2. What about the 58,000 absentee ballots in Broward..

Nice glitch.
How was that situation remedied?


:donut:

[imenja]

6. which ones?

Do you mean the absentee ballots that were supposedly sent out but never arrived? Or the machine that counted absentee ballots backward?
The ballots were recounted. The people that didn't get their absentee ballots in the mail were out of luck. They sent new ones out, but there were people who didn't receive them in time.

[99Pancakes]

4. Geez!

This post is so exciting that I need to get up and start pacing a bit (since I don't smoke anymore)

[LisaM]

5. Would it be a 260,000 difference, or 520,000?

Which would change the results. I was trying to figure that out - would it just be added to the Kerry total or subtracted from the Bush total as well? (I am using this figure as a hypothetical.)

[imenja]

7. The final count . ...

had Kerry about 381,000 votes behind Bush. If new votes were found the Secretary of State would have to certify the new results. That would be the tough part. And then the Republican state legislature could always threaten to seat a new set of electors for Bush anyway, like they did in 2000. They even passed a bill stipulating so.
This isn't civilization. It's Florida.

[LisaM]

8. Right, but I mean, is 260,000 the difference or is it double that?

I guess I'm stupid - I don't know. I'm treating it like a Daily Double wager on Jeopardy - if they restore money for an answer that was deemed correct, they get back both the amount subtracted and the amount added.

[imenja]

9. they'd just add to Kerry's total

If they found 250,000 votes for Kerry, it would simply add to Kerry's total. They don't subtract them from Bush unless they've discovered they had mistakenly credited Kerry votes to Bush. It's simply the sum of all the votes each candidate received.

[LisaM]

12. Thanks

One of the articles said the votes were "flipped" to Bush, so I thought they had been added to his total, and not credited to Kerry.

[AwareOne]

10. The 2000 election was stolen but we were powerless to correct it.

What makes you think anything will be different this time? You can go yell it from a mountain top but the sad thing is, nobody cares.

[jsamuel]

11. Correction, the DEMOCRATS were powerless and still are, WE ARE NOT!

[SomthingsGotaGive]

13. 250k in one county people will start caring!

And maybe the poor people who's votes were just found might just care that they be counted enough to take to the streets of Broward county. Thats a cool quarter of a million people.