7 Point Swing for Clinton Over Obama in NH's Diebold Precincts

[ORDagnabbit]

transparent and verifiable elections now!

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5540

7 Point Swing for Clinton Over Obama in NH's Diebold Precincts

Analaysis Shows Candidates 'Positions Swapped' Where Ballots Counted by Hand Versus 'Counted' by Machine...

It's been an exhausting day, as a few folks in the world are finally beginning to open their eyes, and realize that not counting ballots, and trusting instead, in error-prone, hackable machines for "faith-based results" doesn't make a lot of sense. Particularly in an election for which nobody --- and I mean nobody --- has come up with a legitimate explanation for the surprising results. Oh, there's been plenty of speculation, but no actual facts. So why it's so difficult for folks to realize that the biggest unknown here --- what the ballots actually said on them --- has gone wholly unexamined in 80% of NH, continues to allude me.

That point alludes Tribune Media Services columnist Bob Koehler too. So I hope you read his eye-opening take on that for Thursday's corporate mainstream papers.

As promised, in my long, and much-updated original piece from last night, first expressing concerns and asking questions about the NH results, folks today have been looking at the precinct numbers to compare the difference between those which "counted" ballots on Diebold op-scan systems (for about 80% of NH's voters), versus those that still hand-count ballots in the Granite State (about 20% of the votes).

more at the link

[ORDagnabbit]

1. In a supposed democracy such as ours, skepticism is a virtue and necessity."

I love that sentence.

[AzDar]

2. K & R...

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[Marrah_G]

3. These go in the Election Reform Forum now.

[Fresh_Start]

4. NH had a recount in 2004 on the diebold machines

there was no problem in the machine counts

I realize that neither facts nor statistics will persuade you.
But the areas are not comparable.
So its an invalid comparison.

[ORDagnabbit]

5. so there is no problem comparing the paper ballots with the machine tabulations

trust but verify.

its an easy on to put to rest.

[Fresh_Start]

6. did you even vote in NH?

if so, contact your SOS about recount requirements.
and take a statistics course

[ORDagnabbit]

7. I did and I have. I also took a civics course which maybe you should do.

transparent and verifiable elections for all not just some.

[Fresh_Start]

8. your profile says you're from Oregon

seems like a discrepancy.
If you did, did you check with your SOS yet? Thats the avenue for a recount.
DU is NOT how you get a recount.

[ORDagnabbit]

10. yeah but see I'm an amercian and I have a phone and email

I called the NH SOS and emailed them as well.

DU is how you spread the word to the people who say "its not my problem my candidate won" and make them see the bigger picture.

These are all of our candidates and we need absolute trust in the election process.
Can you imagine the hell of the general election if NH is this screwy?

[Fresh_Start]

12. I asked if you voted in NH, you replied YES

did you or did you not vote in NH?

[ORDagnabbit]

13. my bad I was reply yes to your message not your subject

no I did not vote in NH

[Fresh_Start]

9. I teach the Constitution as a volunteer

maybe perhaps I know something about civics

[stillcool]

14. a couple articles...

Nader-Camejo Hand Recount in New Hampshire Ends With No Significant Discrepancies
New Hampshire’s optical scan machines predate Diebold’s purchase of company that manufactured them

Washington, DC: The Nader-Camejo hand recount in New Hampshire ended Tuesday at 12:30 p.m. when the last of the 11 selected wards was counted. Nader-Camejo requested recounts on Nov. 5 in precincts where the Diebold AccuVote optical scan machine was used, and where the reported vote count favored President George W. Bush by 5% to 15% over what was expected based on exit polls and voting trends in New Hampshire. The Nader-Camejo campaign received more than 2,000 faxes from citizens urging a recount.

In the eleven wards recounted, only very minor discrepancies were found between the optical scan machine counts of the ballots and the recount. The discrepancies are similar to those found when hand-counted ballots are recounted.

No conclusions can be drawn about the reliability of electronic voting machines on the basis of the New Hampshire recount, because the machines used in the 11 selected wards predate those showing irregularities in Ohio and other states, where votes were counted backward on some machines and votes were assigned to the wrong candidate on others. Secretary of State William Gardner reported that the machines used in New Hampshire also predate the Diebold Corporation’s purchase of the company that manufactured them. However, the case reinforces the Nader-Camejo call for a voter verified paper ballot trail for random audits and independent recounts to confirm the accuracy of questionable results.
http://www.votenader.org/media_press/index.php?cid=413

Recount New Hampshire
Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:52:31 -0600

http://www.guerrillanews.com/articles/911/Recount_New_Hampshire
Tomorrow the first recount begins--in New Hampshire, of all places, a state George Bush didn't even win. But in those areas where he did well, sometimes the numbers look decidedly odd. In this case, the person who got the ball rolling was one Ida Briggs, a longtime Michigan software designer and database developer who did a statistical analysis of some election results, and found them perplexing enough to trigger concerns in her mind about the efficacy of the electronic vote tabulation system used------------------

On Thursday, New Hampshire officials will begin a hand recount of paper ballots in five of eleven large urban precincts--in Manchester and Litchfield--where Bush did surprisingly well. The remaining precincts will be counted soon. If the results prove interesting, recounts could be requested elsewhere besides Ohio, where such a request has already been made by Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb and Libertarian Party candidate Michael Badnarik.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1118-03.htm

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11. What happens when a state...

runs out of ballots? Do they just make copies?

[kster]

15. How on earth did Hillary win? A GuardianFilms special

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2648974&mesg_id=2648974

[Mnemosyne]

16. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

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