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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 11:09 PM
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Reframe Backfire?? White House Calls for Vigorous Prosecution of "Election Fraud"!!
Edited on Fri Mar-23-07 11:40 PM by Land Shark
Voter Fraud happens, but is relatively rare because it only typically gains you one lousy vote, its a felony and leaves evidence. (dead voters, double voting, illegal registrations). When the US Attorney scandal broke, it was clear that Republicans and the White House were pushing for frivolous voter fraud charges mostly against Democrats that study after study shows are rare to nonexistent.

On the other hand, ELECTION FRAUD is the proper name when insiders (typically) get involved, it is a lot more interesting since they have the capability, often, to deliver the desired result: THE ELECTION RESULT. Particularly in this day and age when the first counts announced on election night for both optical scan systems and touch screen systems feature trade secret software and their completely secret counts (even elections officials don't know the counts or have access to the internal workings of the software) the magic numbers are just taken on faith. THis ought to be a form of Election Fraud all by itself, not showing your work. I used to get in trouble for that in high school math class, and election math is only 1 plus 1 equals 2. Any election insider could easily sell the election. Luckily controlling all or part of the the world's greatest country is of so little attraction that nobody would be tempted to cheat on computers where it would leave essentially no evidence, right?

But anyway, the rhetoric is now changing and the Bush Administration and others are referring to ELECTION FRAUD and trying to steer clear of VOTER FRAUD. The Missouri Star gives some good examples, note how Dems and the press use "voter fraud" but Rove and Bush use "election fraud":

WASHINGTON - Under President Bush, the Justice Department has backed laws that narrow minority voting rights and pressed U.S. attorneys to investigate voter fraud - policies that critics say have been intended to suppress Democratic votes. Bush, his deputy chief of staff, Karl Rove, and other Republican political advisers have highlighted voting rights issues and what Rove has called the "growing problem" of election fraud by Democrats since Bush took power in the tumultuous election of 2000, a race ultimately decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Bush administration's emphasis on voter fraud is drawing scrutiny from the Democratic Congress, which has begun investigating the firings of eight U.S. attorneys - two of whom say that their ousters may have been prompted by the Bush administration's dissatisfaction with their investigations of alleged Democratic voter fraud.

Bush has said he's heard complaints from Republicans about some U.S. attorneys' "lack of vigorous prosecution of election fraud cases," and administration e-mails have shown that Rove and other White House officials were involved in the dismissals and in selecting a Rove aide to replace one of the U.S. attorneys. Nonetheless, Bush has refused to permit congressional investigators to question Rove and others under oath.

{...}

Frank DiMarino, a former federal prosecutor who served six U.S. attorneys in Florida and Georgia during an 18-year Justice Department career, said that too much emphasis on voter fraud investigations "smacks of trying to use prosecutorial power to investigate and potentially indict political enemies." http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/16963344.htm



You heard it here first: Bush complains about lack of vigorous prosecution of ELECTION FRAUD cases!

The voter fraud pressure is the scandal, the lack of vigorous election fraud investigation is a REAL ISSUE. In fact, following up on several convictions for felonies for rigging the presidential recount in Ohio in 2004, an Ohio criminal prosecutor is looking deeper. http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2007/2506



Let's not forget, Bush wants to be "fully cooperative" with and vigorously prosecute "election fraud"!
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 11:42 PM
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1.  A pebble for your thoughts and a kick
Psephos is a Greek word meaning pebble, a reference to the Ancient Greek method of voting by dropping pebbles into urns, and is the root of the word psephology, the study of elections.

Good to see you posting again sir.

Looking forward to the site.



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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 12:04 AM
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2. And can you name the Greek orator who put pebbles in his mouth? nt
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 12:36 AM
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5. Demosthenes, and another white pebble for the cause.
Edited on Sat Mar-24-07 12:40 AM by btmlndfrmr
Throughout his life he espoused democratic principles. He roused Athens against Philip II by his great "Philippics," and later against Philip's son Alexander the Great.

Now that one thinks about it, ...it could have been the first example of potential vote fraud stuffing one's mouth with pebbles. Heh.



Cheers.

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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 01:43 AM
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6. I'm impressed with both of you, and feeling illiterate about now....
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 02:48 AM
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7. with Paul perhaps (Land Shark)
Edited on Sat Mar-24-07 02:57 AM by btmlndfrmr
...and Google

You could thou, give this post a pebble. (a vote)

:toast:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 09:48 AM
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10. ahh you used the google? feeling better now. (Of course I did, kick)
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 12:29 AM
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3. Okay, baby, first let's prosecute Ann Coulter! n/t
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 12:30 AM
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4. That's one of the extremely rare cases of VOTER fraud!! nt
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 06:41 AM
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8. K&R .... n/t
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 09:40 AM
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9. Fine if he wants an investigation of election fraud lets give it to him
Time to subpoena some Diebold executives.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 09:59 AM
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11. Throwin' a pebble at this thread.
The utter dishonesty of linking the firings to failure to prosecute election fraud is so utterly diabolical.

Pot meet kettle.

OMG
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:36 AM
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12. me oh my! We must cross post this!
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 11:21 AM
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13. Feel free, it's not EVERY day the President calls for vigorous prosecution of ELECTION fraud!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 01:26 PM
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17. Stunning, isn't it?
Great piece! And thanks.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 12:35 PM
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14. Doesn't that just take the cake eh? nm
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 01:14 PM
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15. this just great..
kick & a pebble...
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 01:25 PM
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16. Adding my pebble to the urn.
Hubris:

"In Ancient Greek hubris referred to actions taken in order to shame the victim, thereby making oneself seem superior." (from wiki).

We also know that "Hubris or hybris (Greek ὕβρις), according to its modern usage, is exaggerated self pride or self-confidence (overbearing pride), often resulting in fatal retribution." (ibid.)

This shaming of the victims of the real crime is calling down all the wrath of heaven.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 02:56 PM
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18. This is great news! Have Wasserman & Fitrakis been informed of use of RNC e-mail
servers...which got the contract to count the votes in Ohio? Maybe Ohio is where they can get a warrant to search that server to reveal Rove's e-mails switching votes the night of the election in 2004... you remember? At 1:30 a.m., after Karen Hughes had gone to tell bush he lost to Kerry, Karl Rove went back to his office, and suddenly vote tallies all over the place started switching to bush.

I think the server that hosts the RNC email is the key to the whole theft. The new Ohio Sec of State & Atty. General might be able to trace the link to the RNC server.


Thanks for your tireless work, Paul! :yourock:

:kick::kick::kick:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 08:14 PM
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25. Correction. How did the facts on this get so mangled on DU?? Ratf__k!
You write, "...servers...which got the contract to count the votes in Ohio? "

Actually, Ohio political jurisdictions counted and reported the votes to the Ohio SoS, and the SoS posted them on a server hired because the Ohio SoS server could not handle election night traffic. The hired server was operated by a company also hosting Republican domains.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 03:59 PM
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19. unless you are mAnn Coulter.
then, no crime, no time.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 05:24 PM
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20. yes, there are exceptions, unwritten ones, "in" the "law" sometimes
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 07:58 PM
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21. Incoherence not unprecedented
I can't say this with any certainty so I just ask you to consider the possibility that the distinction between voter fraud and election fraud is one our movement has introduced and is not necessarily reflective of any particular thinking or intention on the part of those in our illegitimate government. It may be akin to a compulsive liar being unable to keep his lies straight.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 08:24 PM
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22. you could be right but Bush and Rove are still trying to "frame away" from "voter fraud"
as the exact term, at least so it doesn't sound so anti-public / anti-voter
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:22 AM
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24. Meanwhile, we have proven cases of election fraud.
Witness the indictments in Ohio.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 12:18 AM
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27. yes you are absolutely correct, recount rigging fraud in that case of convictions
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 08:18 PM
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26. If a voter commits a fraud to vote, it is voter fraud.
If someone fixes an election, it's election fraud. Simple enough.
Bush says we need to go after fixing the election. Simple enough.

Be careful what you ask for!
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 11:31 PM
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23. This is what they always do. Just as some problem will become big - just say Dems did it. nt
I don't know how much more I can hate them without my head exploding.

A free press would be calling them on their crap over and over and over again; you know, informing the public of the truth. Remember those days?

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:22 PM
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28. Let me see if I'm understanding the re-framing of voter fraud.
During the elections electronic machines can and did change the vote-election fraud. This is wide spread. The other instance when an individual knowingly votes repeatedly,like Anne Coulter, that is voter fraud. Bush is and wants vigorous prosecution of folks like Anne, but not company's like Die bold, ES&S. Is this correct?
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 12:54 PM
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29. kick. nt
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