Kerry Campaign Lawyers Checking Ohio Vote

[OhioChick]

CLEVELAND (AP) — Lawyers with John Kerry's presidential campaign are in Ohio on what they describe as a "fact-finding mission" following the Democrat's election loss to President Bush last week.


http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/politics/index.ssf?/base/politics-1/1100164141194251.xml&storylist=politics

Sorry if this is a dupe.

[Halliburton]

1. Its about time!

Finally the Kerry people are waking up from their depressed-ridden caves!

[chiffon]

2. Let the counting begin...

For the sake of sanity, these votes NEED a major review at the very least.

[Chili]

3. YES!

Thank you!

[MelissaB]

4. Hot damn!

This is GREAT!

[elaineb]

5. Did any other Ohio voters see Nader on their ballot?

(mention is made of this in the cleveland.com article above)

I was beginning to think I was delusional, because Nader was definitely on my ballot in Wayne County.

Does anyone know whether ballots with Nader's name (which shouldn't have existed) would be among those ballots thrown out, if someone had punched Nader's name?

[Connie_Corleone]

6. Nader wasn't on my ballot in Hamilton County.

[OhioChick]

7. Nader not on Cuyahoga ballot....n/t

[jsascj]

31. Nader on some ballots in Ohio and not others?

What's up with that?

[NorthCoast]

40. No Nader in Lake County n/t

[HEAVYHEART]

8. Hmm

So the lawyers are saying, that they're only "carrying out Kerry's promise that every vote will be counted", in Ohio. And that they're "not trying to change the outcome of the election", that's according to this article. My question is, WHY THE FUCK NOT? Try to change the outcome of the election goddammit!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bridget Burke]

10. First, let them count all the votes.

Depending on the results, they just might change their minds.

[HEAVYHEART]

12. Keeping my fingers crossed...

[emulatorloo]

11. Strategy - The lawyers aren't trying to change the election, but if the

vote count does so, so be it.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

22. "not trying to change the outcome of the election" does NOT rule out

that if the facts come out in their favor then the results themselves must change.

[Straight Shooter]

36. In other words, if you build a house of cards

and one of those cards does not belong to you, then you are obligated to return the card to its rightful owner. If removing that card causes your whole house of cards to fall down, so be it. You shouldn't have used it to begin with.

Or, in another sense, bush should not be allowed to reap the fruit from a poisoned tree.

[crispini]

9. Woohoo!

Ask that horse's ass Blackwell why he gets to change the rules on an election IN THE MIDDLE.

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/985

Better yet, let's ALL call him and ask him.

Mailing Address:
J. Kenneth Blackwell
Ohio Secretary of State
180 E. Broad St. 16th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215

General Telephone Number (Toll Free): 1-877-767-6446
General Telephone Number (Local): 1-614- 466-2655


Client Service Center:
30 E. Broad St.
Lower Level
Columbus, OH 43215

Elections questions or comments:
email: [email protected]
call: 614-466-2585

[DoYouEverWonder]

13. Kerry is right on schedule

The media is Bush's biggest weapon. As long as Kerry stays out of the media, Bush can't attack him.

This period while the states count their votes is the time to collect evidence and analysis the results. In the meantime, Bush is revealing his real agenda to the world, which is very different then what he said during the campaign. The peace president is turning into Attila the Hun right before our very eyes. There are a lot of people who are already sorry they voted for Bush. Thank god he hasn't been elected president yet.

[txindy]

14. DoYouEverWonder...

:toast: Just what I was thinking, too.

[Jack_Dawson]

15. "I have a mandate heh heh heh"

"You can only ask me one question heh heh heh"

Who on earth would ever be sorry they voted for such an intelligent, articulate and grounded fellow like George W. Bush?

[City Lights]

25. I believe lawyers call this the discovery phase.

I'm glad they are finally discovering. :-)

[kerry2win]

16. potential must be there to overturn

They must have enough to question, that if they're right, would give Kerry the state. Otherwise why be there.

[saddemocrat]

18. Kerry

There has been a great deal of criticism of Kerry for not coming out immediately, but I think his pulling back and letting others point out the 'fraud' (if there indeed was fraud) is the smartest possible thing. He ends up looking like the victim who conceded in good faith. I think it really did hurt Gore in 2000 when he demanded the recounts. The media was able to start painting him as a 'nut'. I sure hope that this story is true and that they are able to uncover more bs.

How on earth can it be possible that they change the rules of which provisional ballots to accept AFTER the votes have been turned in? That is just insanse.

Kris

[Ithuilwen]

29. Would "changing the rules" be equivalent in any way

to an "ex post facto" law?

[lefthandedskyhook]

21. Many reasons

Ohio is a mess - - this was no accident.
Blackwell is a criminal.
All real patriots want the truth.
Lawyers are the best medicine.

[johnnie]

17. Extended article

This seems to be more of an extensive article.
http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1100169336227680.xml

[saddemocrat]

20. hahah

Did you catch this:

"increasing hysteria among internet activists" :lol:

I wonder if there would be this 'hysterida' if the main stream media would step up to the plate and actually investigate this seriously....

sigh

kris

[crispini]

24. Here's my letter to the Plain Dealer reporter

Thank you for keeping us abreast of the facts in this. If the facts were laid out in a clear article it would do much to assuage the internet flap out there.

Regarding the many election issues about Ohio floating around, there are two that particularly interest me, which I think might merit some additional investigation.

First, the charge that election procedures are being changed after the election: http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/985

"Are the provisional ballots in Ohio being thrown out? A new rule for counting provisional ballots in Cuyahoga County, Ohio was implemented on Tuesday, November 9 at approximately 2:30 in the afternoon, according to election observer Victoria Lovegren.

The new ruling in Cuyahoga County mandates that provisional ballots in yellow packets must be “Rejected” if there is no “date of birth” on the packet. The Free Press obtained copies of the original “Provisional Verification Procedure” from Cuyahoga County which stated “Date of birth is not mandatory and should not reject a provisional ballot.” The original procedure required the voter’s name, address and a signature that matched the signature in the county’s database."

And, second, the interesting flap about the "lockdown" in Warren County. Per MSNBC, county officials claimed that they locked down the vote counting because there was a terrorist threat from the department of Homeland Security. However, apparently the Department of Homeland Security never told them that.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

Thank you again for your article and I look forward to reading more.

[johnnie]

26. Good letter

I just wonder what will happen. The Plain Dealer was one of the few papers that decided not to endorse a candidate.

[restorefreedom]

19. I like to think it's because

it is finally making its way into MSM (thanks KO) and also because people like Kucinich and (forgive me) Nader are starting to really speak out.

[rman]

23. that won't prevent him from finding no big deal,

and expecting us to accept that.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

27. Great! They are then in position to deal with Blackwell changing rules.

I can't believe he would have the nerve to do something like that. Maybe he thinks not enough people are watching.

[saddemocrat]

28. who IS watching?

Lets face it...who IS watching? Apparently, he has gotten away with it!

kris

[EST]

30. WE ARE!

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

38. ...along with, if the report is accurate, Kerry lawyers in OH. *hoping*

[EST]

39. Yeah, how true.

Ultimately, however it is the people "us," to include all of us of whatever stripe, professionally, religiously, whatever, even the "nuts."

[jsascj]

32. And Blackwell changing the rules is CONCRETE

Not just some 'internet hysteria". Dare I hope?

[DARE to HOPE]

33. Amen, brother!

[pointsoflight]

34. Kerry is using the perfect strategy here.

Pursue everything behind the scenes and gather evidence for possible future action, but don't take the lead in suggesting fraud or pushing a recount unless/until there is compelling evidence and there's enough to potentially overturn the results.

[mzmolly]

35. YEEEAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHH!

:toast:

[JuniperLea]

37. take that all you kerry bashers!!!

yay!


he is an honorable and highly intelligent man and he is going about this in kind!

[liam97]

41. Scary story about Ohio recount

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/985 - anyone want to send this to the Kerry people