This person voted for president at least 6,042 times

[garybeck]

New Mexico: 2,087 phantom votes for president
Mecklenburg County, NC: 3,955 phantom votes for president

total: 6042

(note, edited to take out questionable Florida numbers)

[mod mom]

1. Gary, what exactly are phantom votes? nt

[MissWaverly]

2. # of votes reported is higher than # of ballots cast

hope that's clear, I was trying to fit it into subject line

[mod mom]

3. I thought I read somewhere that an explation was due to absentee, is that

incorrect?

[MissWaverly]

5. No

what it means is like the place in Ohio where GWB was supposed to have 3000 some votes and there were under 1000 people voting.

Phantom votes are found when the number of votes reported is higher than the number of ballots cast. - Votersunite.org

If what he says is true then Bush really rec'd 143,625 more votes than Kerry in Florida, and then there was the mysterious votes for
other in Fl, not Bush and not Kerry of 61,618, everyone knows that people stood in line for hours just to vote for Elmer Fudd, so if those votes should have gone to Kerry as well then his lead is only 82,007 votes, I wonder how many dead people voted for Bush in Florida?

[mod mom]

6. Gahanna votes for bu$h 3,893 in a 638 person precinct. I just used that

in a recent post.

[MissWaverly]

9. yes, that's what I was referring to

those were phantom, because they never represented actual voters,
it's a fancy way of saying they padded the numbers

[mod mom]

8. Are you referring to dead as in brain activity? nt

[MissWaverly]

10. I am referred those who lounge in cemeteries

I knew someone would get me on that.

[mod mom]

11. Sorry, it was begging to be addressed. nt

[DoYouEverWonder]

23. Lots and I know how they do it

Half the fraud is in the absentee ballots. The Repugs really go after the absentee and inactive voter lists.

The first trick is to intercept the inactive voter ballots and then you vote for your team and send them back.

The second trick is to 'help' people fill out their ballots and then return them for them. The 'helpers' focus on going after elderly, poor and preferably illiterate people to 'help' vote. If you can't read the ballot, you have no way to know who you really voted for, but there is no way for anyone to every know that it's not a legitimate ballot.

[MissWaverly]

29. I also think the ballots were pre-punched or pre-inked

If a ballot was already pre-punched, then it would not take the choice selected, or if the optical scanning ballot was already marked and the voters were given pens that would not mark the ballot (I heard this was done), then only the mark from the right pen would show up and be a mark for Bush, this would be easy to do.

[garybeck]

7. which case?

There has never been an explanation for NM and they are in the official canvass report.

For the NC instance, see
http://www.votersunite.org/info/ElectronicVotingInBrief.pdf

For Florida, I've been trying to find more info on this but so far I'm coming up blank. It is stated:

"In a disturbing finding, Brandon Adams reports that, although the number of people who turned out to vote in Florida was only 7,350,900, rather more (7,588,422) votes were cast for presidential candidates, a difference of 237,522."

I'm trying to find more documentation on the FL numbers.

[MissWaverly]

12. see link for washpost 2004 election results

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/elections/2004/fl/

Gary, I'm no whiz at this stuff, but before I turn in I'm pasting my link for the 2004 elections that was posted in the Washington Post,
it's probably minimal but it's all I have

[Blue_State_Elitist]

4. NAB THAT MAN!!!

n/t

[emlev]

13. Plus, he stole the "L" in Florida--that's a clue to his ID

Who was it that said, "What the L, I'll steal Florida!"

You only listed three places the Ph of E voted. He certainly voted in more places than that.

[garybeck]

20. OK, help me out and give me some more numbers

let's find out how many times he really voted. that's what I could find on Mythbreakers.

sorry, I guess he could be a she.

but I'm guessing Karl Rove is behind the mask.

[emlev]

26. The Phantom may be in the hole...

if you count the negative 25 million votes he (yes, he) got on one machine in Youngstown, Ohio.

I'll get more data to you as I come across it, but I'm really disturbed that you'd rather have help than a snide comment. The latter is so much easier!

[berniew1]

14. I think the SOEs said the phantom votes in Florida were late ABs

Is this what you are talking about? Some Dems who went to bed thinking they won local races got up to find the races were swung while they slept by a flood of late Rep absentee ballots.

[garybeck]

17. but...

from what I can gather, the vote totals hardly changed. only the number of voters changed significantly. so that erases the phantom voter problem, but shouldn't have changed the outcomes. (?)

Sometime after 11/07, nearly 300,000 voters were added, but hardly any votes were added.

seems to me, if they didn't have the absentee and early voting numbers on 11/07, then when they added them, we should have seen the votes and the voters go up, by the same amount. Right?

Or, if they just "forgot" to put in the voter totals at the beginning and added them in later, then only the voter totals should have gone up and the vote totals should have remained the same.

go figure.

[Amaryllis]

15. Bet he voted a lot more times than that! Many times he votes and no one

catches him.

[garybeck]

16. about the Florida number I originally had in the post

for those of you that caught the thread for the first 20 mins. it was up...

there were listed 237,522 phantom votes in Florida. on further research I found that this was in the unofficial results dated 11/07 and since have been "corrected."

I guess they say they were absentee or early vote totals and they "forgot" to put in the number of voters at first.

It should be noted that the FL legislature passed special laws about early voting, which allowed virtually all the early voting ballots to be unsecured. in some cases two Republicans and zero Democrats were allowed to transport ballots. Also, private citizens, not employees of the Election Office, had keys and access to the voting machines, and memory cards during early voting.

My Grandmother can't stand Bush and was advised to vote early. I wonder what happened to her vote.

[berniew1]

18. the Florida numbers are still questionable; there were huge AB problems in

Florida; Florida has always had a huge amount of absentee ballot manipulation and fraud; there were many court cases in the 2000 recount- with strange outcomes; though I think some officials caught doing no nos did resign. but Bush was declared winner in spite of the problems. 58,000 ABs were claimed to have been lost by the Post Office by the Broward County SOE in 2004. Post Office said no. No one figured out where they went. guess who's ABs got lost?
Similar in Dade and Palm Beach. And lots of problems in other counties as well. And Dems who thought they won by a couple of thousand votes in Osceola County woke up to find that a large number of ABs had come in the last couple of days of the election and virtually all were Repub, though the county has Dem majority.

for absentee ballot problems in S. Florida, see
http://www.flcv.com/browarda.html
http://www.flcv.com/dadeab.html
http://www.flcv.com/palmbeab.html

[MontageOfFreedom]

19. Well that goes ahead and settles it for me.

The mystery pollster is for sure correct, our exit polls are faulty and mis-allocated. Therefore the exit polls are to blame, not the fraud.

Pay no attention to the little man standing behind the curtain, by the way.

[shance]

21. What about other states? Could it be there are 48 states that the

phantom could have visited as well?

[garybeck]

22. I invite everyone to find more phantom votes

please send me, or post here, findings of phantom votes that can be documented. also make sure they haven't been "corrected" from early unofficial numbers.

[berniew1]

25. Free Press and Dr. R. Phillips documented phantom votes in SW Ohio

Poll workers/clerks documented phantom votes in S. Florida

EIRS reports have other cases; as does
www.votersunite.org

Dr. Phillips site http://northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm
has some for Ohio
an easier place to find them for Ohio is
www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp?sort=date&selectstate=OH&selectproblemtype=ALL

There were 3893 phantom votes in one precinct

Columbus. A Danaher ELECTronic 1242 computer error with a voting machine cartridge gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in a Gahanna precinct. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct. A cartridge from one of three voting machines at the polling place generated a faulty number at a computerized reading station. Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections said the cartridge was retested Thursday and there were no problems. He couldn't explain why the computer reader malfunctioned. www.votersunite.org

freepress.org departments articles

[KaliTracy]

24. Not sure if PH of the E was in charge of this -- but in Ohio some numbers

changed *after* certification.

I posted asking if this was typical -- here is my Original Post

**

I have all the district numbers from after the election -- taken maybe 4 or 5 days after from the Ohio SOS site, when I started a spreadsheet for some comparisons.

I also have numbers but not whole spreadsheets) of certified numbers of just a few categories (used it when I was first looking at precinct data) taken after the SOS website was updated with the Official certification numbers. Tonight I noticed that some of these numbers have changed from the certification, including # of registered voters. Is that typical? Is it just that they invalidated people who were "registered" and that's why these numbers changed?

I guess since the number of registered voters went down, but the number of votes cast went up (by a hair) it just didn't make sense to me. It's not a big deal - I'm just curious if anyone wants to explain it...

Thanks!


November Election Week Numbers (not certified)
# of precincts..................11,360
# of registered voters.......7,979,639
Total votes cast.............5,574,476
percent of votes cast........69.86%
provisional ballots ...........155,428


Numbers taken after December Certification
# of precincts..................11,366
# of registered voters.......7,974,670
Total Votes Cast.............5,722,211
Percent of Votes Cast..........71.75%


Numbers taken today (said they were adjusted in January)
# of precincts.................11,366
# of registered voters......7,972,826
Total votes Cast............5,722,443
Percent of Votes Cast.........71.77%

also has a provisional ballots page
number of provisional ballots....158,642 (changed from election week)
number certified.................123,548
Percent of recorded ballots........77.9%


* Note that they also did a press release with the numbers taken after December Certification

Additionally (in that thread) I posted the Numbers for President which changed slightly (not a huge difference) from the December 6th Certification (and Press Release of such) and the new numbers which were posted January 4th

December 6th Press Release Numbers (of Certified Results)

Michael Badnarick...................14,695
George W. Bush...................2,858,727
David Keith Cobb (write in)............186
Richard A. Duncan (write in)............16
James Harris (write-in).................22
John F. Kerry....................2,739,952
John T. Parker (write-in)................2
Michael Anthony Peroutka............11,907
Joe Schriner (write-in)................114
Thomas F. Zych (write-in)...............10




“Amended" January 4th Numbers
Michael Badnarick....................14,676
George W. Bush....................2,859,768
David Keith Cobb (write in).............192
Richard A. Duncan (write in).............17
James Harris (write-in)..................22
John F. Kerry.....................2,741,167
John T. Parker (write-in).................2
Michael Anthony Peroutka.............11,939
Joe Schriner (write-in).................114
Thomas F. Zych (write-in)................10

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/index.html

It should also be noted that Connally and Moyer numbers changed slightly as well.

December 6th Press Release (certified results)
Connally..........2,073,858
Moyer.............2,358,088


Results “As of January 4th”
Connally........ 2,073,886
Moyer............2,358,135

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/index.html



(I added info about Connally and Moyer tonight -- the original thread is here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=356771 )

[berniew1]

27. Undervote was also a huge issue

Lots in most states; huge numbers in states like North Carolina and South Carolina(many thousands) due to straight party Dem vote not counting for Kerry(blank undervote).

a precinct in Mercer County, Pa had over 75% undervotes and lots of precincts over 10%. www.flcv.com/mercerpa.html
Two precincts in Hamilton County Ohio had 25% undervotes;
http://www.flcv.com/hamilton.html & votersunite.org
similar other places; faulty equipment/glitches in minority precincts produced huge number of undervotes(no vote for Pres).

[KaliTracy]

28. yes, and in Ohio it was Raining and Cold all day, and many people

stood in line, some for over an hour (or more) just to vote Against Gay Marriage, I guess....

:shrug: