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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:14 PM
Original message
Ney (R) to Blackwell: "You can't run and you can't hide" !!!
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 01:14 PM by meganmonkey
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4788954,00.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - Members of a new federal voting commission meeting Wednesday to review problems with the 2004 election denounced the secretaries of state from Ohio and Florida, two states at the epicenter of complaints, for failing to show up.

``We can have disagreements, but you can't run and you can't hide,'' said House Administration Committee Chairman Bob Ney, R-Ohio.

Ney, whose committee oversees election issues, said he would continue to push for Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell and his Florida counterpart, Glenda Hood, to appear the Election Assistance Commission. Elections chiefs from four other states were to testify later Wednesday.

--snip--

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Not that this commission is the answer to our problems, but at least other Republicans are getting pissed at Blackwell's refusal to discuss this!

p.s. - hope this isn't a dupe, but I didn't see it anywhere else
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nashuaadvocate Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:26 PM
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1. IS SOMETHING HAPPENING?
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 01:26 PM by nashuaadvocate
Somehow this whole Ohio mystery is starting to unravel.

First Hitchens puts his reputation on the line to say the Ohio tally is wrong.

Then Blackwell's a no-show at a Congressional hearing.

Then he makes a bizarre attempt to avoid federal jurisdiction in Cobb's pending recount case -- dealing with a federal election, for which the U.S. District Court in Ohio *obviously* has jurisdiction(!)

Now we're hearing rumblings that the FBI is willing to become involved.

IS SOMETHING FINALLY HAPPENING?

We've run the Hitchens and Blackwell stories as developing/breaking news, here.

-- TNE
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:34 PM
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4. It seems like it, but...
I don't want to get my hopes up just to be hurt again. *grin*

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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:40 PM
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7. Nothing political could hurt as much as 11/3 did
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 01:41 PM by meganmonkey
as far as I'm concerned. I got over that!

baby steps....

KEEP HOPE ALIVE!

:bounce:

(on edit: actually November 4th hurt more, what with the incessant vomiting and hangover ;) )
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dogindia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 05:40 PM
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39. still hung over.
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 05:42 PM by dogindia
blecccck...... will not do vomit symbol though have just learned smiles inact cuties.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:35 PM
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5. I say YES! YES! YES! Something is happening!
Hitchens?!?! WOW!

Republicans publicly acknowledging that Blackwell is not cooperating, even with a comminssion which quite certainly wasn't planning on accusing him of anything nefarious!

Some shit is clearly hitting the fan.

Patience, my friends. I feel it coming. I really do. Oh, I hope we're right!

:bounce:
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:39 PM
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6. Yes and
we have to keep informing the public until the investigation gets out of control,and no one is able to stop it.
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:41 PM
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8. I get the feeling
That this committee will be reconfigured and soon.
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dalloway Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 05:17 PM
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37. and what about Conyers' sponsoring legislation to allow naturalized
citizens to become prez? Is there some horsetrading going on to get full hearings???
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:47 AM
Response to Reply #37
45. That's what I thought when I heard about Conyers & the foreign-born Prez
thing. Not at all like him...what is going on?
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:31 PM
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2. Maybe Blackwell and Hood
had to attend a special party in their honor at the White House. That would certainly take precedence over appearing before a commission.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:32 PM
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3. OMG! Could it be ?
Keeping fingers crossed!:9
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:41 PM
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9. I've never understood why Blackwell wasn't prosecuted for
refusing to show up in court. Isn't that a criminal offense itself?
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:15 PM
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20. And the
false homeland security threat.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:22 PM
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22. Was he actually subpoena?
:shrug:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:43 PM
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10. Wouldn't surprise me if Fraudwell and Hoodwink weren't "off shore" .....
....about now :evilgrin:


It's happening everyone -- Bu$h and his neoCONster regime are going down.


TBO;24/7
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:21 AM
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46. oh please please pleeeeeease
Posted by understandinglife:
"It's happening everyone -- Bu$h and his neoCONster regime are going down."

oh please please pleeeeeease

Oh PLEASE, LET IT BE SO!!!!
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:46 PM
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11. Yes, but Ney was also the punk on 1/6/05
Who called anybody opposed to the certification of the Ohio vote un-American.

He could have granted Conyers subpoena power last November but worked
to keep it from him. He is a shit too.

1. This could be cover my ass time .........
2. He knew it was dirty and was and is part of the cover up

in both case 1 and case 2 = Blackwell fall guy.
Blackwell does not have the stones ....... he will not go down alone.

Long live the Boxer Rebellion


:kick:
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:17 PM
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17. Then this could be an even better sign
If they're starting to cover their asses and point fingers, someone is going to slip up.

Watching the dirtbags turn on each other: oh, the deliciousness!

:evilgrin:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 05:46 PM
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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 05:59 PM
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41. I know what you mean, and as I put in the original post
I don't expect this commission to be the way this thing breaks, but I like the fact that this is what the press is focusing on as far as the hearings go. The spin is that the 2 shadiest states no-showed! And that isn't even what these hearings were really supposed to be about. Ultimately, I think the lawsuits and the GAO investigation are our most likely venues for justice.

Only time will tell...

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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:48 PM
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12. OK, let's remain calm....
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 01:51 PM by Bill Bored
First of all, did Ney speak on Jan 6? If so, WTF did he say? Is he contradicting himself now, or is he just keeping an open mind, or what? On edit, I see this has been partially answered already!

Second, I, and I hope others, here sent a letter about how the Republicans brought Jan 6 on themselves by opposing verified voting legislation, and not investigating OH with Conyers, et al. Ney was on the list because of his Committee leadership position. So it could be something is happening, and it could be, at least partially because of US!

If anyone can find Ney's comments from Jan 6, if he made any, it would be useful at this point. I can check later.

I still believe that writing letters can make a difference. Most people don't write to their govt until they get a parking ticket! Imagine the effect that thousands of letters may have!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:06 PM
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14. I don't think any of us are expecting great things from Ney
or the commission as a whole, but in addition to some other good news today, it is just a sign that the hole that Blackwell is digging for himself is getting deeper and deeper. And that some who should be his allies may be changing their tunes.

Maybe we have been asking 'What is Blackwell hiding?' often enough and loudly enough that others are heairng it.

:bounce:
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #12
32. Damn! I was remaining calm until you just said
"OK, let's remain calm...."
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:49 PM
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13. you know, I wasn't really expecting much out of Ney
but if Blackwell ticks him off, you never know how he might react. I think there are quite a few repugs out there who aren't that happy with blivet** and it's not going to take that much to separate them from the mother-ship. The closer we get to the midterm elections and the more they realize that blivet**'s coat-tails aren't gonna help, they less loyal they'll become, especially with this Social Security stuff. The average American just ain't buyin' into the Social Security crisis, IMHO.
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:12 PM
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15. Is this news only in the Guardian so far? n/t
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:16 PM
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16. Got 119 hits on Google News search
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=Ney+commission&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d

Don't know if it's just a temporary link, it may not work. But there were papers all over the US on the list.

Google News "Ney commission"
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. WOW!
GOD IS GOOD! HE HEARS OUR PRAYERS!!!!
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:07 PM
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19. Is this the Elections Assistance Commission set up by HAVA?
If so, it's an oversight body to monitor the electoral processes, even though States still maintain control over election administration. This is probably why Blackwell & Hood didn't show up. They don't think this commission has jurisdiction over them.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:20 PM
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21. Yes - their job is to evaluate HAVA effectiveness
But it isn't about jurisdiction, they aren't judging or accusing the SOS's or accusing them - they are evaluating HAVA and its effectiveness. It wasn't about the complaints and irregularities, and other SOS showed up.

So them not showing up demonstrates, yet again, that they are hiding something, IMHO.
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nashuaadvocate Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:27 PM
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24. No...
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 03:29 PM by nashuaadvocate
This is not the EAC. That body has 4 members and none are members of Congress.

This was a bipartisan Congressional oversight committee.

From The Guardian (UK): "'We can have disagreements, but you can't run and you can't hide,' said House Administration Committee Chairman Bob Ney, R-Ohio. Ney, whose committee oversees election issues..."


-- TNE
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:31 PM
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25. Well... This part made me think this IS the EAC:


"Ney, whose committee oversees election issues, said he would continue to push for Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell and his Florida counterpart, Glenda Hood, to appear the Election Assistance Commission. Elections chiefs from four other states were to testify later Wednesday.

Ney called the commission hearing to examine the successes and failures of the Help America Vote Act, which was passed after the disputed 2000 election in Florida and has been fraught with delays and a shortage of money."

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nashuaadvocate Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 04:31 PM
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34. As I understand it...
...the EAC administers the HAVA (e.g., by dispersing funds and tracking their use) while the Congress provides oversight over whether the HAVA (and presumably the EAC, too) is doing its job.

So -- the good news -- this is indeed a Congressional hearing Blackwell (and Hood) just stiffed!

I would not be at all surprised if Blackwell's actions are the consequence of an attorney's advice. Certainly, he does not want to be put under oath regarding his mismanagement (or worse) of a presidential election while he is a leading candidate for Governor of Ohio, abyve and beyond any criminal charges he could face for perjury or (as many have openly suspected, based upon the relevant Ohio statutes and the manner in which his administrative orders contravent them) election fraud.

The News Editor
The Nashua Advocate
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 05:28 PM
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38. I'd been thinking it was just arrogance, but...
the more I think about it, he may well have been advised by counsel not to show for the hearing. Can you imagine a state's chief elections official standing before a congressional hearing and have to invoke his 5th Amendment Rights? Amazing...
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 07:50 PM
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42. I dunno, I'm starting to think he is just arrogant. And a dumbass
especially after reading this on the Nashua Advocate - some interesting behavior coming from Blackwell:

http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/

snip-
What the hell is going on in Ohio?

To any objective observer, it would seem the state's electoral processes are in an advanced state of meltdown, with former political alliances -- most notably, between the Secretary of State and the Attorney General, and between the G.O.P. Chairman and the Secretary of State -- now strangely and suddenly dissolved.

They say rats try to flee a sinking ship: is Ohio's murky electoral administration about to implode under the weight of investigations into a recent, suspicious presidential election?
-snip
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SpaceBuddy008 Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 04:37 PM
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35. blackwell's choose machine deadline illegal
Edited on Wed Feb-09-05 04:37 PM by SpaceBuddy008
from cleveland PD

Petro says state can't mandate vote systems
Attorney general at odds with Ken Blackwell
Wednesday, February 09, 2005
Mark Naymik
Plain Dealer Politics Writer
Ohio voters should not sharpen their pencils just yet.

Attorney General Jim Petro said Tuesday that the secretary of state can't force election boards to use optical-scan voting systems that rely on pencil and paper.

Petro's announcement clouds the future of voting reform in Ohio for the second time in as many months, and re-ignites the debate over electronic voting machines.

http://www.cleveland.com/search/index.ssf?/base/isvot/1107955915117540.xml?isvot

www.nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com
covered this in a recent entry as blackwell arbitrarily initiated early deadline when before the election boards had 350 days to figure out that paper ballots give the most integrity at the least cost per vote for strapped for cash- county goverments

only paper WWW.chuckherrin.com

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NationalEnquirer Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:24 PM
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23. Whoa! is the the beginnings of the end for them? n/t
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SpaceBuddy008 Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:32 PM
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26. 124% turnout CERTFIED! in our face by blackwell
this says he does not respect or give a damn about election laws and vote rights

or care about doing his job to conduct free fair elections

5. Many certified turnout results in key regions throughout the state are simply not plausible, and all work to the advantage of Bush. In southern Perry County, two precincts reported turnouts of 124.4 and 124.0 percent of the registered voters. These impossible turnouts were nonetheless officially certified as part of the final recount by Blackwell. But in pro-Kerry Cleveland, there were certified precinct turnouts of 7.10, 13.15, 19.60, 21.01, 21.80, 24.72, 28.83 and 28.97 percents. Seven entire wards reported a turnout less than 50 percent. But if the actual Cleveland turnout was 60 percent, as registered statewide, Kerry would have netted an additional 22,000 votes. Kerry is also thought to have lost 7,000 votes in Toledo this way.

Ten preliminary reasons why the Bush vote does not compute, and why Congress must investigate rather than certify the Electoral College (Part One of Two)
by Bob Fitrakis, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman
January 3, 2005

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1065
*****

We Must Choose to Fight. Count Every Vote
By John Bonifaz, CommonDreams <1>

Delivered at the Rally for the Republic
Faneuil Hall, Boston, Monday, January 3, 2005

Four years ago last month, the United States Supreme Court stopped the vote counting in the State of Florida and, for the first time, selected the president of the United States.

It marked a dark moment in our nation’s history.

Since that time, people throughout this country committed to the vision of democracy pledged to never let it happen again – never again would we allow an individual to assume the power of the presidency without the proper counting of all the votes. We are here tonight because we are dangerously close to allowing it to happen again. We are here tonight because we refuse to be silent.

On December 13, 2004, in the state capitol of Ohio, we witnessed a crime – a crime against democracy, a crime against the right to vote, a crime against our Constitution. On that day, Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell presided over a meeting over a group of individuals who claimed to have won the right to serve as presidential electors for the State of Ohio in the Electoral College. Mr. Blackwell and that group gathered while a recount began of the votes cast in Ohio for President of the United States.

http://www.ilcaonline.org/print.php?sid=1432

audio of speech here:
http://www.caef.us/faneuil/

Extreme Fundamentalist Regime practices deception and false advertising
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:35 PM
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27. LOL! From "How long can they hide it?" to "How long can they hide?"

It's getting better all the time.

:)
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:35 PM
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28. From John Lennon to Blackwell
Give Me Some Truth
John Lennon


I'm sick and tired of hearing things from uptight-short sighted-narrow minded hypocritics
All i want is the truth
Just give me some truth

I've had enough of reading things by nuerotic-pyschotic-pig headed politicians
All i want is the truth
Just give me some truth

No short haired-yellow bellied son of tricky dicky is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of hope
Money for dope
Money for rope

I'm sick to death of seeing things from tight lipped-condescending -mommies little chauvinists
All i want is the truth
Just give me some truth

I've had enough of watching scenes of schizophrenic - ego - centric - paranoic - prima - donnas
All i want is the truth
Just give me some truth
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. Ooooh, good call, LeahD!
And welcome to DU! :toast:
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:53 PM
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33. Thanks
Those old lyrics just started running through my head when I read the original post and was compelled to make a visit to Bleever's thread too!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. That song should be in the soundtrack
of the documentery about DU helping to force the resignation of the pResident.

Long live Lennon's lyrics.

(And you gotta love Harrison's slide guitar on that cut!)

Thanks for the smile, Leah.
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:18 AM
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44. The lyrics were penned 30+ years ago,
and unfortunately, they're appropo today. Would love to hear it playing in the background of a documentary one day. The sooner the better.

Glad you enjoyed the trip down memory lane, Wilms. And, yes, long live Lennon's lyrics!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:38 PM
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30. Is this in any mainstream US newspaper?
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 03:40 PM
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31. YES - See post #16 n/t
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 09:17 PM
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43. Ney/Blackwell feud not obvious
Bob Ney (R) of Ohio kept Rush Holt's VVPB legislation bottled up in committee. Hey was/is the Chairman of the House Adminstration Committee. He also authored a dear colleague letter urging others not to amend HAVA. Ney is no friend of Voter Verified Paper Ballots.

Perhaps he is angry with Blackwells decision to buy optical scanners rather than touchscreen.

After all, Diebold's headquarters is in Ohio, and these guys believe in "Leave No Voting Machine Company Behind"

Diebold has not been able to sell it's crappy machines in Ohio.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 09:06 AM
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47. I can't keep track of all the infighting!
Between this stuff, and the Petro/Blackwell name-calling (see below thread), I think it maybe they can't keep track of who is on their side and who is their competition. Maybe they're all just losing it! I hope so! :)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x322189
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SpaceBuddy008 Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:02 AM
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48. Ken Blackwell is agent of The Fellowship



http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2005_01_02_cannonfire_ar...
see his name in bold in this report below

Or so, at least, claims Madsen.

His most intriguing data nuggets concern a Christian cult called the Fellowship -- the roots of which, so far as I can tell, go back to the work of a Methodist minister named Abraham Vereide in the 1930s, although the group was not formally named the Fellowship Foundation until 1972.

This is the same group which frightened the readers of Jeffrey Sharlet's seminal work "Jesus Plus Nothing: Under Cover Among America’s Secret Theocrats." Sharlet's article presents a frightening picture of religious zealotry and naked political ambition. Incidentally, the Fellowship -- also known as the Family -- owns a "Fellowship House" near the House of Representatives, where a number of politicians have stayed.

Madsen claims that the Fellowship story goes deeper than most of us suspected. He connects the group to the scamsters behind the "Nigerian" emails. Is this notion feasible? Missionary work did put the Fellowship in Africa, and the Nigerian scam was far more than a mere email ruse, since it involved on-the ground operatives in that country.

So far, I've seen no evidence for Madsen's allegation. It should be noted, though, that many variations of the Nigerian letters include theological overtones reminiscent of the Fellowship's beliefs. On the other hand, American churches were prime targets for the scam.

According to Madsen,


Some of those "419 emails" have been discovered by US intelligence to contain coded instructions to the money launderers and financial manipulators in the States and in off shore bank havens like the Bahamas and Tortola.
This allegation will strike most readers as far too Ian Fleming-esque, but don't be too quick to dismiss the notion. If you study the material produced by international scamsters, you'll come across passages which -- to put it bluntly -- make no sense whatsoever. Using "Nigerian letters" to convey coded data strikes me as downright ingenious.

Of course, we have no hard evidence that such trickery has taken place.

"Wait a minute," I hear you saying. "What on earth does this convoluted Nigerian business have to do with vote fraud?" Well, the Nigerian scams do connect with the Five Star Trust -- or so it has been alleged, and not just by Wayne Madsen. And Marion Horn of Five Star may possess links to the Fellowship -- links forged during his stay in the pokey:


The Fellowship has some very unsavory founders -- all pro-Nazis: Abraham Vereide, Frank Buchman, and Gustav Gedat, J. Edgar Hoover and James Jesus Angleton were close to the Fellowship.

The use of prison ex-cons like Marion "JR" Horn in KY, John Elder and Jeffrey Dean in WA, and others in the financing and carrying out of the rigging, was mostly arranged through Chuck Colson's Prison Fellowship Ministries, an organization that has carte blanche access to anyone deemed of value, especially computer programmers, after their incarceration and upon their release, especially if they promise service in return for parole.
SO far, I've seen no proof backing the claims in this paragraph. But I do note that Horn received a ridiculously attenuated sentence for massive wire fraud, which he committed while on parole for another offense.

I'll have to look more carefully through the bios of Angleton and Hoover to see if the links alleged by Madsen really do exist. (Alas, I've forgotten far too much of my Angleton lore. Wasn't he Catholic? His mother was a lovely lady from Mexico...)

Here are a few other Madsen allegations vis-a-vis the Fellowship:


The Prime Minister of Norway has just been outed as a member of this group.

In fact, most of the so-called "Coalition of the Willing" nations' leaders are members of The Fellowship, e.g., Tonga, Macedonia, Palau, Netherlands, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Solomon Islands, Uganda, Rwanda, Guatemala, El Salvador, Denmark, Romania, Iceland, Fiji, Georgia, Colombia, possibly also Howard of Australia and Blair of Britain.

The Fellowship believes that ANYTHING is permitted in order to bring about a 1000-yr Kingdom of Christ on Earth, and that includes stealing elections and even murder.

Some of the money used by the Fellowship to obtain real estate and maintain their group came from Saudi Arabia through lucrative defense contracts and pass throughs like the Islamic Institute.
And:


In their group homes in Arlington it is obvious they keep the troubled teens of GOP big businessmen and politicians out of sight through a combination of intensive Bible study and "drug treatment."

Noelle Bush may have been one of their "Guests/Victims."

There should be a focus on Infinity Software of Tallahassee, the place Noelle was put to work when she was busted for trying to illegally obtain prescription drugs in 2002.
(C'mon. Admit it. Even if you think Madsen is full of it, that allegation about Noelle must bring a wicked smile to your face -- presuming, of course, that you don't like the Bush family.)

Finally, and most importantly...


Tom Feeney, Ashcroft, DeLay, Bush (Dubya and Jeb), Cheney, Sean O'Keefe, Condi Rice, John Bolton, Ed Meese, Colson, Brownback, Ralph Reed, Frank Wolf, Ernie Fletcher, Katherine Harris, Gingrich, JC Watts, Burr, Jindal, Lamar Smith, Zach Wamp, Scalia, Ensign, Kyl, Kenneth Blackwell, Bob Ehrlich, Karl Rove, Jack Kemp, James Baker, Clarence Thomas, Tom Coburn, Asa and Tim Hutchinson, Gens. Boykin and Myers, DeMint, Curt Weldon, Grover Norquist, George Allen, Santorum, are all in this group. The late Lee Atwater was close to this group.

The Fellowship, which has strong links to the "Rev." Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church, operates in cells and not only takes over governments but also local church congregations to further their goals.
Moon, as all must know, wants an end to democracy; he has made no secret of this ambition.

He also has access to seemingly illimitable wealth, which he uses to fund the right. Nobody knows where the money comes from. Some have alleged that his church launders recovered WWII booty -- popularly known as "Yamashita's gold." We thus return to Madsen's initial allegation that Five Star Trust was involved with transactions involving Yamashita's gold.

How much of this story squares with the facts? I'm not sure. Hell, I'm not really sure I yet comprehend the story!

In the Revolutionary war, General Washington's spies placed certain information in a special category: "Interesting, if true." That's my assessment of Madsen's work. He may be on to the story of the century -- but until his facts are both confirmed and organized, we cannot be certain.

# posted by Joseph : 4:28 PM 3 comments

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2005_01_02_cannonfire_ar...
*****

Ahmanson is also one of the bagmen behind the extremist "Christian Reconstructionist" movement, which openly advocates a theocratic takeover of American democracy, placing the entire society under the "dominion" of "Christ the King." This "dominion" includes the death penalty for homosexuals, exclusion of citizenship for non-Christians, stoning of sinners and we kid you not slavery, "one of the most beneficent of Biblical laws."

http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php3 ...

Extreme Fundamentalist Regime

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