What you've just witnessed on the Senate floor.

[darkworkz]

You've watched the Republicans announce their demise to themselves and the United States of America.

How so?

Between the months of January and February 2005 you've seen them accept a fraudulent election, a liar, and two psychopaths / sociopaths.

The facts about the election have yet to fully penetrate the public consciousness. The latter 2 are MSM news. There is a catalyst still missing from the puzzle and that is - which of the above (or yet to be seen)is going to link these items together in an unmistakable, nonconcealable form that the general public can't avoid?

Most would have to admit that there have been near daily exposures of the administrations covert domestic practices. The Rubicon of misdeeds has been crossed by the thugs, they know it and they also know time is very short.

Keep your eyes open for the "catalyst" referenced above. When that moment happens you better take a seat because it's going to be a WILD ride from that point forward.

To be general and somewhat cryptic - what you're witnessing is a trifecta of destruction on those that have worked actively against the United States and her citizens. (explaintion of the cryptic part at a later date. There's still other work to be done.)

[mahina]

1. I am confused by your post...

I want to understand. What are you talking about? What two sociopaths, bush and cheney? Or who?
I just don't read you.

[darkworkz]

5. Bush (again) & Gonzales

[newscott]

17. I was thinking Condie and Gonzo.

No?

[darkworkz]

18. Nope. Condo is the liar. Exposed by her own words.

Sen. Boxer "outed" her for all to see on Cspan.

[andyhappy]

2. you are dreaming

but its a nice thought...

[darkworkz]

9. Not a dream. Just the news as I see it.

It's not like bush and Republicans invented the type of government they're pushing for. Nor is this the first time in recent history that this has happened. There are predictable conclusions to their actions that have been written about in history many times.

I'm not reading tea leaves or the stars here. These are obvious patterns that have logical, predictable, outcomes with historical precedents that back up the assertions I've presented.

No dreaming what so ever.

[rainy]

25. So once they are outed will our media get better? If not

it will always be brewing in the wings and because of the corporate media the thugs will keep rising to power.

[rumpel]

3. I hope you are right.

[FogerRox]

7. a Real possibility--looking or maybe willing to make that catalyst

Bushies are in so deep--one unanticipated event--blows them out of the water. Or could.

[Mend]

4. Do you have a rough time frame?

life is tough right now....when is this going to be over?

[darkworkz]

11. Time frame...

I don't have one for the general group. I can just tell you what I "think". (history isn't backing me up on this :-) )

I'm seeing serious trouble inside of the next 8 months.

Again, that's my own thinking. I can't point to anything specific to hang my proverbial hat on.

[Me.]

13. I Say That By The End Of 2006

they will all be toast. That other shoe will drop.

[kster]

20. I was thinking

4 to 6 months,just with Mr. Powell and all the others resigning, two republicans have said they are thinking I was right all along. For the simple reason they can't believe Powell or so many others would leave Bush, if everything was going so great.

[googly]

42. are yousaying that the majority of repugs in senate & house and

SCOTUS are all going to turn on Bush in 8 months?
Good thought and I hope it happens but is it realistic?

[CrispyQ]

6. I haven't seen anything to indicate that the sheeple are

waking up to the travesties committed by this administration. I wish I was wrong.

[Peace Patriot]

28. CrispyQGirl:

63% of Americans oppose torture under any circumstances whatsoever (recent ABC poll)
57% of Americans oppose the Iraq war (recent polls)
Only 43% of Americans approve of Bush, in recent Rasmussen poll, and it's hovering at or under 50% in other polls

---altogether an unprecedented "vote of no confidence" by the American people in a recently inaugurated President.

The shit is hitting the fan.

[fooj]

8. I certainly hope you are correct! I'm ready for the ride of my life!

[MissWaverly]

10. Bring it on!

Can't wait for liberty and justice for all! Instead of, of the greedy, for the greedy, by the greedy!

:bounce:

[Hugin]

Here's hoping darkworkz. n/t

[txindy]

12. I believe you're right

I just hope for everyone's sake that it's soon.

[Darknyte7]

14. Here's to hoping that you're right...

I think that it could possibly play out the way you've stated, but the coming SS debacle could really mean curtains for these crooks.

[The Blue Flower]

15. agree completely

and it will fall apart--and hard--very fast when it finally begins

[Iggytop]

43. Your right. I was Thinking

that the Repug senate and congress it would be hard to get anything. But. Now I Have hope... More hope... Within the year...

[ottozen]

16. Truth, Justice and the American Way

From the Great Beyond.

[mgr]

19. Don't forget the Alzheimer's patient in the Senate n/t

[lostnfound]

50. Hey..

Alzheimer's patients don't deserve that.

[global1]

21. Reflecting Back On My Own Career And Life Lessons ......

I've seen administrations I've worked under do themselves in. It inevidibly happens. We just need to wait them out till they do themselves in.

One administration I worked under the President was over his head. He got done in because he tried to cover up his mistakes. His CFO had to fess up.

In another adminstration the President was just an SOB and a Jerk. He pissed off enough people finally that he was thrown out of the company.

In the last administration the President just got greedy. He may have had lofty goals - but he didn't execute them wisely. He was in love with himself and thought he knew everything and could do no wrong. He had 'yes-men' reporting to him - essentially telling him everything he wanted to hear. He made decisions without getting the facts or understanding the consequences. When things started to get bad - he bent some rules. Unfortunately - the company couldn't recover and went under.

Fiscal irresponsibility. Arrogance. Greed. Lies. These are the reasons these administrators got done in. Sound familiar?

Unfortunately - many good people got hurt in the process. Lost jobs. Lost money. Lost self-esteem. These people suffered but eventually found other employment and made it thru their adversity.

The interesting thing and lousy message here is that all three of the administrators/presidents above - landed on their feet - got into even better situations, made more money - and lived to strike again.

In my current work situation - the President is a hell of a guy. He's honest. He's funny. He's humble. He's smart. He seeks advice from many people. He shares everything with all of his employees. He treats his employees with respect and pays them well. His customers are most important to him and his business. Treating both his employees and customers well had made him very successful. Message here: treat people like you would like to be treated. Truth. Share. Humility. Responsible. And have fun while you do this.

So some of what 'darkworkz' says could happen to * and the Repugs. I believe that it is only a matter of time. I just hope that when it happens - we good people don't get hurt too much in the process.

And I hope whomever follows is like my current employment experience.

[OKJackson]

24. Interesting comments...

Because you just showed us, through your own experience, how each of those things struck a leader down, whereas Bush has all of those faulty factors working for him.

His collapse should be absolutely spectacular.

[Hardrada]

29. A useful analysis. I think the one about

being surrounded by "yes men" may be the most telling fact about Shrub. And the MSM too serve that function. What happened is that all the alarm systems have been disabled or unplugged and the Shrub regime does not have a way of knowing what is wrong (nearly everything) and how to fix it (they are too delusional to do so).

[eowyn_of_rohan]

22. You are onto something

They could cover up the election theft (partially), but cannot cover up many other issues where their policies are destroying life as we know it in the US, because THOSE will be covered by MSM, and people are only going to be duped by the emperor's new clothes for so long...I think many ARE waking up to the fact they are personally, negatively affected, by the social security theft, the outscourcing of American jobs and closing of American companies, unaffordable health care, potential start up of the draft (God forbid), et al.

I also think all the puzzle pieces will begin to fall into place for more and more Americans.... I just hope your "catalyst" doesn't come in the form of another terrorist attack that they "allow" to happen.

[Carl Brennan]

66. I get the feeling that the BFEE is going down.

Only I've had that feeling before.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

68. Wouldn't we love to see that...

Can you imagine how much else would come down with them? Half of the GOP for starters. Now, how do we get the CIA and FBI on our side... That is a bit of a problem ;)

[meganmonkey]

23. I really believe you are right

Maybe partly just because I WANT to believe it, but you are right to put this in it's historical context - this IS America, and we DO believe in democracy, and this swing of the pendulum can't last forever.

Looking at **'s recent approval ratings (or should I say, DISapproval ratings), I am even more convinced. This country is starting to understand what this administration is really doing, and while many people are easily hoodwinked, I think most people are paying some attention.And that's all it takes, paying a little attention, because the disease that this administration is spreading through our government is glaring and disgusting and it doesn't take much to see it.

As others here have said, I think there is a serious sense of voter's remorse among those who voted to reelect our fearmongering leader.

[itscj]

26. What took place?

I don't know what took place on the Senate floor...If you are speaking of the State of the Union Address, that was on the House floor.

[greenmutha]

27. I believe s/he is most recently referring to the confirmation of Gonzales

the torturer!

[Peace Patriot]

31. Hey, darkworkz, you're not usually so enigmatic! Is that what you...

...meant? I sure picked up a whole lot of stuff in the Democratic patriots' speeches about very, very, very serious violations of the law by Bush, Gonzales and others, including the phrase "war crimes."

[darkworkz]

39. No I'm not...

but I felt the analysis I had to present today required a delicate touch.

People are rightly a bit confused, angry, and uncertain. Due to these factors I didn't want to present off the cuff spin nor empty hope.

You may have notice I've been very quiet the past week or so. (still writing and sending my letters though!) My reason for that has been to watch the Republicans, their media, and general pattern of their direction so I could gage how much time they've got left. And then have the ability to point out to *this* audience what I've seen and give examples that others can use as guide to either confirm or deny my findings.

I really didn't want to be enigmatic or obtuse in my original posting but the picture is so much bigger than most understand, I want to keep things simple and *hopefully* help others with their focus in the fight we've all got at hand now.

[darkworkz]

40. Yes, you're correct.

I went into a few other issues below PP's post.

[darkworkz]

44. darkworkz is a He. :-)

[Peace Patriot]

30. TAKE ACTION! See action post on today's vote!

GO HERE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x315821

[NeoTraitors]

32. My neighbor just

started going off on the Chimp and how he is isolating us against the world. I've blown a gasket or two trying to expose the Chimp to him, and got no reaction.

Neighbor is getting it all on his own because these crooks lie so much that it is impossible to believe them.

[zbdent]

33. You're forgetting one HUGE fault in the logic

you're expecting the masses to pay attention.

Not likely when they have Fox to watch, what with the "news" division being all gung-ho for Bush, and the general masses watching "American Idol" and not realizing that these idiotic rejects represent a lot of America . . .

[Peace Patriot]

35. zbdent, they saw through all the crap and voted the criminals out.

Polls prove it. 43% approval rating! Even 50% (other polls) is WAY, WAY, WAY low for a recently inaugurated prez. The people just can't get their will enacted!

[darkworkz]

41. following on PP's post...

As Peace Patriot said, Bush lost the election. Without leaving the forum and looking toward people like Conyers just read TIA's findings. They cheated.

The masses are growing in awareness daily. Go hunt up TV ratings for the past 3 years, any or all networks, you'll see that people are not watching any longer and the few left are turning off the tube in large numbers each reporting cycle.

[hootinholler]

34. Maybe if we push...

This Button we can get some traction.

Enjoy,
-Hoot

[understandinglife]

36. I suggest that today's vote is 'the catalyst.'

Fact. The allegations of massive illegal acts (from violations against the Constitution to the Geneva Conventions to.....), on the part of Gonzales are now part of the Congressional Record.

Fact. All those illegal acts were premeditated and perpetrated by the chief legal counsel to the President -- a direct report to the President of the United States of America.

Fact. Repeatedly, Gonzales was admonished for obfuscation, refusal to answer questions, refusal to supply documents, and more.

Fact. The Republican leadership of the US Senate brought to vote an individual who refused to provide full disclosure of requested information; they acquiesced and are now active participants in Gonzales' 'cover-up.'

Fact. Those Senators who voted for Gonzales did so with full knowledge of the allegations and the extensive documentation that supports the allegations and the fact that Gonzales refused to provide requested information.

Now, allow me to quote from the Articles of Impeachment of Richard M Nixon, on his role in the attempted cover-up of ONE ACT OF ILLEGAL ENTRY:

http://watergate.info/impeachment/impeachment-articles.shtml

ARTICLE 1

In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that:

On June 17, 1972, and prior thereto, agents of the Committee for the Re-election of the President committed unlawful entry of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in Washington, District of Columbia, for the purpose of securing political intelligence. Subsequent thereto, Richard M. Nixon, using the powers of his high office, engaged personally and through his close subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or plan designed to delay, impede, and obstruct the investigation of such illegal entry; to cover up, conceal and protect those responsible; and to conceal the existence and scope of other unlawful covert activities.


Fact. Gonzales is Bush's "Watergate" (on steroids)

Fact. 60 US Senators just aided and abetted the cover-up of massive violations of the rights of prisoners and the torture of human beings (the implications of their vote will haunt them for the remainder of their lives).


Among the still-ongoing activities they are aiding and abetting, here's just one example:

"Some attorneys for detainees say they believe the administration is hoping to avoid having to defend in court its alleged practice of sending suspects to foreign prisons where questionable interrogation tactics are used. "The political folks have decided this is now hurting the administration and they need to make it go away," said Brent Mickum, an attorney for Mubanga (British citizen released from Gitmo in Jan 2005). "And they're looking to avoid having any bad precedent that would affect their ability" to transfer detainees to third countries."

If Articles of Impeachment are not already being drafted by members of the House of Representatives, assisted by their colleagues in the Senate, I will be quite surprised.

The scale of crimes that Mr Gonzales has committed, on behalf of the President of the USA, vastly exceed those that drove Mr Nixon to resign (even including Articles 2 & 3 against RMN).

Peace.

BE THE BU$H OPPOSITION; 24/7

[Nothing Without Hope]

37. I still think that the breaking of the 9/11 info embargo would do it

Demonstrating -- assuming the investigators evade murder -- that the9/11 attacks were enabled or planned by the blivet** administration and then covered up by the congressional Rethugs would be huge. It's the obvious choice for your catalyst - not sure what else is visceral/noncerebral enough to break through the Kool Aid stupor.

[hootinholler]

38. LOL, see 34 N/T

Like minds, eh?

-Hoot

[Quakerfriend]

55. I agree

that the main catalyst that will bring about their undoing will be tied to 911. Did you know that Eliot Spitzer has recently (in last 2 wks) been asked by some in NYC, including 911 families, to bring law suit against the administration?? Anyone know about this??

[Nothing Without Hope]

56. No, I had not heard about this. I wonder what the case will be? n/t

[liberalla]

45. I like your theory and

hope you're right! I really want to see the fall before bubble boy leaves office. I don't want it to come out in 2010 or something like that. I want it NOW, red-handed, full-fledged spectacle and exposure!

The thought that we continue down this Neocon fascist hell hole is most depressing to me. The fear that all this may never come to light (for years and years and years), that they get away with it- this is my nightmare. Believing it will happen in 8 months, 2 years or fairly soon keeps me dancing!!!!

I like post #36...

[Lugnut]

46. I keep waiting

I'm waiting for the time when a few key Republicans can no longer stand the stench. I'm waiting for the stench to irrevocably stick to them. It took this kind of Republican to take down Nixon and that's what it will take in this case. I just hope I don't have to wait too long.

[Proud_Lefty]

47. What do they have on these GOP Senators?

Why would 100% of them say on the record that recommending torture is okay? Are they that stupid or are they being blackmailed? Something seems so horribly wrong, way beyond what we see. Everything this administration does now is so bold and arrogant, like they will never be held accountable for anything. I hope you're right because it's scaring me like I've never been scared before.

[Alizaryn]

48. I agree, I feel in my bones that we are at the point

where something has to break.

[EFerrari]

49. Had the same thought. Crossing fingers. n/t

[earth mom]

51. Very interesting thread-It leaves me hopeful & afraid at the same time...

[illuminaughty]

52. Ah yes, the Trifecta

That's what Bush said he hit after 9/11. I think you're correct-the show is about to begin and it is unavoidable.

After the election I have thought about this a lot. This particular group needs to be brought down in a way that proves them to be the traitors that they are.

If any were to meet their demise at the hands of an assassin, it would make them martyrs and we'd never get to the truth.

If Ohio had overturned, Kerry would have had to govern under the worst possible conditions, and they would "gnaw" at him as they did Clinton.

But, it has become obvious that the ship is sinking and not all are willing to go down with it. They are jumping like rats. How far are THEY willing to go with the sociopaths? The list of allies is short and most are preparing to disassociate themselves. There is a rumbling abroad that is becoming a roar. War crimes...and war crimes on their own people. There is a plan to implode them by those with the real power.

[BamaBecky]

53. I hope I don't have to wait much longer! I know you are correct...

about "some truth" comming out....even though I don't have a clue what you are specificly talking about....

I do know there are things "cooking"...in some DA offices

is that what you are referring to?

or are you referring to some vote fraud issues that are "cooking"?

help us out here...don't leave us hanging out on a thin branch...

[Stevepol]

54. The problem with all this is that there's no way to vote B out of office.

The reason for B's low opinion polls is that he never had a majority to begin with, a strong majority of the public voted for Kerry. B is an illegitimate prez. If we had free and fair elections he never would have gotten in, especially this last time. And there's no way to get him out when the elections are rigged. Maybe I'm missing something. Unless something happens on the elections front, unless the voting machines are straighhtened out, there's no way any of these crooks can be voted out of office. We'll just have a worse demagogue win in 2008, and the Dems will lose 2 or 3 more seats in Congress, and then they'll wail and grovel in sackcloth and ashes for another 4 years and the media will swim around in the muck of more Laci Peterson trials while the Repubs grab more and more of the money and keep on running.

[SoCalDemGrrl]

67. Agreed and remember there is no more independent counsel to

investigate their crimes. They made sure to abuse that position with the Clinton impeachment so that everyone sighed with relief when Dems and Repubs alike voted to let the position lapse.

So here we are up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

Couple this lack of an independent counsel statute with THEIR control of COUNTING THE VOTES, and I must say it's gonna be a long, cold winter for democracy.

[foreverdem]

57. I'd be happy to strap myself in for that ride

Maybe the whole SS issue and the repukes foaming at the mouth to attack Iran will start to open the people's eyes to the evil of this administration. I hope so.

[Peace Patriot]

58. My overall assessment of the situation, taking into consideration...

...everything I know, is that there is one thing left (as to direct political action) that we ordinary citizens can do, and that we MUST do: recover our right to vote, at the local level, state by state. It's also a doable thing. Ordinary citizens have more power and influence at the state level. And most people would agree with transparent elections.

The trouble with some of the comments above, re some big pending revelation, is that Bush has a lock on 60 votes in the Senate, and a comparable lock in the House--votes that are secured by corrupt means of one kind or another (including seats secured by our fraudulent election system). On Jan. 6, Boxer, Kerry or whoever could have walked into Congress with A HUNDRED "smoking guns"--all of them in George Bush's own hot little hands-- with photos, videos and a thousand sworn affidavits, and it wouldn't have made any difference. These locked in place BushCons would have voted to certify Bush no matter what. The fraudulent election system was very purposefully set up to keep Bush in the WH and to keep a lock on Congress.

So...this Congress is NOT going to do anything about it. NO MATTER WHAT IS REVEALED.

Also, think back. Scandals of monumental size have ALREADY BEEN REVEALED. 100% lies about Iraq WMDs. Widespread use of torture traceable right to Bush. Halliburton looting. Malfeasance leading up to 9/11 (Richard Clarke). Malfeasance ON 9/11 (no air cover over DC!!!). Outing of a CIA agent. Flight of the Bin Ladens and other Bush family friends out of the country just after 9/11.

Any one of these would have brought down any previous president. And it's not as if people don't know. They DO know. And they voted these criminals out office on 11/2--by a very large margin. But they can't get their will enforced. THAT is the problem. And many are in denial or depressed about it.

Fighting to restore our right to vote at the state level is not only a doable thing--and a must do--it is also a way to rally the spirits of the American people, who are a very can-do kind of people. Give them a practical project, something for the common good, and they are on it immediately, and get it done. (One of the tragedies of the current national political scene is that Americans are so productive, generous and creative, and are not being called upon to DO anything, except worship Bush and shop. What a waste!) (For instance, if good leaders called upon Americans to convert to alternative fuels in 10 years, we would do it in 5! JUST ASK US! SHOW THE WAY! LEAD!).

Anyway, that's my analysis and prescription. The Dem leaders in DC are showing some signs of leadership on election reform, and some signs of recognizing that they in fact represent the majority of Americans (36 Senate votes against Gonzales yesterday). I think Howard Dean understands the election reform issues pretty well and has stated that it has to be done state by state (--understands the BushCon lock on Congress and what that means), and he will likely become DNC chair. (--and DNC recently coughed up $500,000 for 2004 election investigation--not enough, and maybe a token--but still, it shows that the issue is alive, even in Terry McLuiffe circles.)

Despite all this (among the leaders), I think it will be best if election reform happens as a sort of leaderless movement--a groundswell from the grass roots, a real grass roots democracy movement like the one that elected John Kerry. We need to recover our democracy in a lot of different ways, in addition to restoring our right to vote. Americans have been too uninvolved and too passive, in the face of growing fascism (corporate rule) over the last two decades. Blinded. Brainwashed. Leftist activists have been very active, but not the mainstream. We obviously need to be on these people every minute--our politicians, the corporations who have bought them, the military-industrial complex menace, etc. No more laziness as citizens.

I think that is the lesson we are learning. We CAN'T COUNT ON our leaders. Democracy is a do-it-yourself project. And neither can we count on some big, deus ex machina revelation to bring Bush Inc. down. I've no doubt insider people are working on something (or on several somethings). But the likely result--even if it succeeds in disgracing Bush & Co., and even if it results in impeachment--will be only a slight re-adjustment of the national political control system. Maybe indict a few people. Maybe rescind a bit of the tax cut for the rich. Etc. It will not likely address the fundamental problems that LED TO this fascist coup. Those problems are huge, and need to be addressed by an aroused population who have succeeded in restoring their right to vote, and who then start USING their right to vote for fundamental reform.

[Proud_Lefty]

60. Voting Machines have been privotized

And so is the entire process. That's why public voting records aren't being turned over. This administration is trying to privotize everything and if we don't acknowledge and stop it immediately, all of our "freedoms" will be independently owned by Fox News or Microsoft.

Our nation has to take a dramatic stand and quickly. The dollar is losing its value and will become worthless soon. If all the concerned Americans started pulling their money out of retirement plans, stocks, etc. and started buying gold bars, foreign exchange, etc., we'd sure rock something to get their attention in a peaceful protest type of way. But it would take a large number of the people that are silently panicking over the mess they see this administration make of our country to do pull it off. Any thoughts?

[Nederland]

59. BUSH IS TOAST

At least that's what the title of your post should have been. I know you're new here, but perhaps you've heard that predicting the demise Bush&Co is a long running practice here. I suspect that your predictions will turn out to be as accurate as the rest of them.

[loudsue]

61. Reinstating the DRAFT is what will finally bring bush down.

Even the republican reps. & senators are going to get slammed by the entire nation over that one.

Even though bush & cabal will hand us another "9/11" before they try to reinstate the draft, boomers facing putting ALL their children into the military is what will unite the country against this evil cabal.

At that time, EVERYTHING will come out about the atrocities this administration has committed.

They'll all be run out of town on a rail.... along with the Dems who were kissing repuke ass the whole time.

:kick::kick::kick:

[Nederland]

62. Not going to happen

Never in a million years. The troops will come home and the American empire will die before anyone in Congress votes to re-instate the draft.

[darkworkz]

63. view of the "desktop" we're working with...

Democracy doesn't hang in the balance. There will be democratic countries long into the future. What hangs in the balance now is OUR Country!

We have to decide if we want to live in a free country or not? It's a simple choice. Thankfully the neoCons have had to fully expose themselves and their agenda for the country and world to see. It's this exposure that will be / is their undoing.

I mentioned a "trifecta" of destruction in my original post. Message #60 by Proud_Lefty touches on one of the 3 "pillars" that has fallen. Money. Not economics.

The bush regime can not fix the money situation. They don't have the capacity. Their only ability is to steal and loot, which they've proven is their only method. And they don't do it very well, which is why they've had to fraudulently "elect" their hangers-on to positions of power that grant them easy access to the public coffers of this country. That doesn't take much skill, they're sloppy pathetic thieves, at best.

With those in power not having the ability to fix the "money" issues of this country and it getting worse by the month, the public's tolerance will get shorter and shorter until it snaps. History has shown what happens to "leaders" that aren't fiscally responsible or proactive.

The money issue is a VERY big ticket item that the MSM can't spin away. And due to the education system in the US most think this is a tremendous obstacle that can't be overcome in less than 20 years. *snicker* WRONG! It can be done in 24 months with new money flowing throughout the system, reaching every part of the economy and population. Simple stuff.

Have you heard the "leaders" once indicate that something like this is even possible? No. What in fact are both sides of the isle doing? They are fighting and bickering over ever dwindling segments of systems and industries that have become irrelevant in the past 20+ years. And most can't see this because the MSM ONLY promotes those things that the politicians (mostly Republican) are talking about.

The US has been living under 3 embargoes for the past 80 years, and the school systems and MSM have taken great pains to divert your attention from this fact. The 3, in general terms, are 1) money 2) politics 3) progress. I'll touch on the first 2.

Money is a critical issue right now. People don't have as much as they would like or need and they don't know how to make more. Money has been flowing out of the country for over 20 years and it won't be returning. Looking at it very simply - Do you think China's going to give back the manufacturing jobs employing 30+ million people each day? And do you really want to work in a factory? I think the answer to both is no.

So the money issue, on the MSM surface, doesn't have an easy fix.

Politics

Politics as I've discussed in the past used to be ran by the party machines. Now one party owns the machines. Funny, huh? The party machine system was a block, city, county, state organization that functioned in a manner that everyone could see. You may not have liked it but it kept some balance. Since the early 80's the party machine system has broken down and was replaced with large multinational corporate owners / donors. The present administration has pushed the envelope so far beyond the bounds of what US citizens consider rational sense they've started waking up to the reality of where they are and what's going on around them. Eminent destruction has a way of doing that.

With this awakening you have large blocks of individuals in each state doing things in the political process that they've never done. Taping into systems and information they've never dreamed of. All with one goal in mind (with different names) fixing the system so it functions again. But what most don't know is they are directly "fixing" the system and there's no party Boss middle man this time. The neoCons did not plan for this eventuality. You can see that in their reactions and words they're tossing out across the MSM. The neoCons plan had one major Achilles heal; an awakened population.

Will there be one big "catalytic" item that will expose the bush administration and wake up the entire population? No, I don't think so and I didn't say that in my original message. What I did say is, the near daily exposures of their domestic actions were building into an unavoidable collision with the public conscience.

To make this really, really simple: Bush is going to loose because he's a loser. America doesn't like a looser. America loves a winner (Patton, I think).

Since the Super Bowl is just around the corner I'll use that as an example - You can have the greatest team and quarterback, but if you don't win the Super Bowl before your career is over you really weren't that good. That's how Americans think. All the neoCon wishing and fantasy dreaming in the world can't change that fact.

Final note - If you are a loser, you've got to go. And Americans won't shed a tear over you.

[Proud_Lefty]

64. self delete

[New Earth]

65. wtf?

did anyone poo on the floor? wow.