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Doodlesweaver Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:23 PM
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This election had nothing to do with values or a poorly run campaign. We were victims of massive voter fraud via electronic voting machines and other methods. Please keep fighting for us.

1. States using e-voting gave Bush mysterious 5% advantage
http://www.newstarget.com/002076.html

2. Bizarre Florida results, county by county
http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

3. Greg Palast, contributing editor to Harper's and the BBC, and author of "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy," on why Kerry won.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php

4. Black Box Voting, leading the fight to prove electronic fraud
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

5. Some thoughts from Mark Crispin Miller, media critic, professor of communications at New York University, and author, most recently, of "Cruel and Unusual: Bush/Cheney's New World Order." (from Salon.com)

First of all, this election was definitely rigged. I have no doubt about it. It's a statistical impossibility that Bush got 8 million more votes than he got last time. In 2000, he got 15 million votes from right-wing Christians, and there are approximately 19 million of them in the country. They were eager to get the other 4 million. That was pretty much Karl Rove's strategy to get Bush elected.

But given Bush's low popularity ratings and the enormous number of new voters -- who skewed Democratic -- there is no way in the world that Bush got 8 million more votes this time. I think it had a lot to do with the electronic voting machines. Those machines are completely untrustworthy, and that's why the Republicans use them. Then there's the fact that the immediate claim of Ohio was not contested by the news media -- when Andrew Card came out and claimed the state, not only were the votes in Ohio not counted, they weren't even all cast.

I would have to hear a much stronger argument for the authenticity, or I should say the veracity, of this popular vote for Bush before I'm willing to believe it. If someone can prove to me that it happened, that Bush somehow pulled 8 million magic votes out of a hat, OK, I'll accept it. I'm an independent, not a Democrat, and I'm not living in denial.

And that's not even talking about Florida, which is about as Democratic a state as Guatemala used to be. The news media is obliged to make the Republicans account for all these votes, and account for the way they were counted. Simply to embrace this result as definitive is irrational. But there is every reason to question it ... I find it beyond belief that the press in this formerly democratic country would not have made the integrity of the electoral system a front page, top-of-the-line story for the last three years. I worked and worked and worked to get that story into the media, and no one touched it until your guy did.

I actually got invited to a Kerry fundraiser so I could talk to him about it. I raised the issue directly with him and with Teresa. Teresa was really indignant and really concerned, but Kerry just looked down at me -- he's about 9 feet tall -- and I could tell it just didn't register. It set off all his conspiracy-theory alarms and he just wasn't listening.

Talk to anyone from a real democracy -- from Canada or any European country or India. They are staggered to discover that 80 percent of our touch-screen electronic voting machines have no paper trail and are manufactured by companies owned by Bush Republicans. But there is very little sense of outrage here. Americans for a host of reasons have become alienated from the spirit of the Bill of Rights and that should not be tolerated.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:53 PM
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1. Was this posted over on their web site?
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Doodlesweaver Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:16 PM
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5. Yes, this was posted at the Kerry/Edwards forum
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:56 PM
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2. I take this as only meaning one thing
they are still fighting this, out of the public view
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:57 PM
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3. They said they still wanted all the votes counted so I sure hope they
are still on top of that.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:09 PM
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4. Soooo is this REALLY from the K/E website. Don't toy.
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Doodlesweaver Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:17 PM
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6. Yes, it was from the K/E website. Cross my heart!
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Doodlesweaver Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:22 PM
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7. I don't want to say the guys sign on name
But I will bump up the topic to near the top
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Doodlesweaver Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:26 PM
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8. Go to the
View new posts button at the top right hand of the main forum page - under the yellow email signon thing, under the members icon ... Then you'll find the latest topics. That's where all the action is on the forum.
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