heating oil next year

[luckyleftyme2]

a friend of mine asked his fuel company in livermore falls if he could quote him a set price contract for next year. the man replied if we have it it will be $5 a gallon.
now that i've got your attention go to latest breaking news and look up all the alternative fuels in the making. I liked the one where the man from p.a. uses salt water for fuel.
the solar pillar would work in maine but I wonder if its as noisy as wind turbines.
Its time we demanded a new source of energy. and 5 years is to long.

this is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlpoknkou

orig. posted 03/30/08 21.04 P.M.
those who think outside the box will not have to deal with it.(title of thread)

under enviorment/energy

THREAD IS UNDER LATEST BREAKING DISCUSSIONS OR GO TO U TUBE TYPE IN SOLAR TOWER OR ENERGY FROM SALT WATER

[Shorebound]

1. TANSTAAFL

The salt water device has been around for years, and the reason it hasn't been developed is it takes more energy to create the "radio waves" to heat the water to produce the hydrogen that the hydrogen gives up when it is burned or run through a fuel cell. The same reason we don't use electrolysis of water to create hydrogen and use it as a fuel.

Second Law of Thermodynamics, AKA There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

Not sure what the "solar pillar" is, but it sounds similar to the solar tower that is being promoted in Australia. The idea there is to build a very tall chimney-type tower, painted black so that the sun heats the air inside it, creating an updraft that would power wind turbines set in the top. It sounds intriguing. Hope someone tries building one;.

BTW, the link is warped and doesn't work.

[luckyleftyme2]

2. I had to go to orig. thread

the fact is it's no longer more costly to produce the radio waves to create the heat of salt water.
the pillar and tower are roughly the same theory,now under const. in several countries.
Every thing I haul up on alternative energy it seems that France is using and improving.
as you know they are a world leader in weapons design. I'M talking electronics and aviation.
we seem to be lagging in all fields of energy development. do you suppose its because we keep putting the oil puppets in office?
I'm sure you know that most of our guidance systems are developed on foreign soil.
that's what happens when you put yuppies in charge,they spend a life time letting others do their work.
I just went back to google,on the right when you play Australia tower you will see saltwater fuel.
this is the article I was talking about. the man used his wifes pie plate to make his radio wave generator. it has amazed engineers world wide. never say there is no free lunch.
new products are usually found by accident. and if you watch this clip I'm sure you will agree. I don't think we fly the kitty hawk plane or drive the model t but thats where we started
first law of physics: anything is possible,the impossible takes a little longer

[jpak]

3. Two words

pellet stove

series

[luckyleftyme2]

7. I think that is an alternative.(j-pak)

My family is planning on using them. just hope they hold the cost of pellets to a fair price.
open water fishing tommorrow,if you can find any!

[mainegreen]

4. I'm not a huge fan of hydrogen fuel.

Investment in ultra capacitors would be better long term than usage of hydrogen as an energy storage medium.

I think solar pillars could be a great idea though, as long as material costs stay low enough. It would be interesting to see a cost/benefits comparison of a solar pillar vs traditional wind power.

[Shorebound]

5. Mainegreen

I agree hydrogen is a lousy way to store energy. There are so many other ways that are more efficient, and those ultracapacitors are the perfect example.

The solar tower idea works best in a hot climate with plenty of sunshine. Not sure it would work that well in Maine, but Australia or Arizona offer potential. According to the plans I've seen, the Australian version is frickin' huge, although it seems to me it would make more sense to start with something smaller to prove the concept.

[luckyleftyme2]

6. like I SAID

there are several towers under construction and a few in use. hydrogen fuel is only one source a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen works well in the u tube I quoted.
LIKE THE FIRST SUGAR CANE TO FUEL PROCESS IN BRAZIL THEY NOW CAN DOUBLE THE YIELD FROM THE SAME TONNAGE.
THE problem we are having to develop hydrogen fuel is we are trying to complicate the process. teaching old technology instead of searching for new.
solar mirrors are advancing the capture of energy from the sun.I often wonder why prisms aren't used more.
In the mean time every day we waste is that much more wealth in the wrong hands. and moves us that much faster toward global warming.
I have a friend who built a solar panel for his sun room 30 years ago and raises veggies year round in it. he also has it hooked to his hot water heat system. I think he got the idea from populatr mechanics.

[luckyleftyme2]

8. what makes you think you need to store hydrogen?

think above the norm. this would be used in stationary equipment. you need only have a supply of salt water. we're not talking running auto's off of it.
every drop of fossil fuel we wean off of in our society will help our financial pocket book . whether you think of personal, municipal or country wealth. the transition will be a combination of many energy sources. like weaning an addict of drugs you don't do it in one day.
think small, think yours ,think now. it all adds up. wood pellets is a start. troll up wind and drift down saves 50% on your fishing fuel.park in the space closest to exit. walk father to the store entrance. approx gas savings a gallon a month.
when you can walk for that item you forgot to buy at the grocery store.plan your shopping
trip to other necessary trips. savings couple gallons of gas a month.
when you can use your bike,good for the pocket book and the waist line.

[luckyleftyme2]

9. WE SEEM TO BE STUCK IN THE

WE seem to be stuck in our public relations gimmick of hydrogen fuel. Instead of the simple affordable solutions. we've all seen the 60 minutes version of the future. you know the one the fuel companies expand on. years in the future vast distribution problems etc.
have you seen the data on Frances tidal projects? not if the oil cartels can keep it off the air.
have you seen the vehicles run on used fast food deep fat fry oil? did you hear the reply from the auto industry when told how costly it would be to convert engines to run on bio-fuel while in fact the biggest auto makers were already providing these engines in vehicles for Brazil and other countries.(it was a sham)