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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:55 PM
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October surprise - WMDs?
I think this is more likely than a bin Laden capture. Easier to "arrange" it. If it happens close to the time of the election, and they win, who will be left with enough power to investigate it? Bush will own the executive branch, the legislative branch, the highest court in the land, and with the nomination of Porter Goss, also the intelligence community. (Owning the intelligence community, as he now does, also gives him more of an opportunity to "find" WMDs.)
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:58 PM
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1. Planted...
WMDs--well think about it--their credibility on WMDs has been fully shot to hell. So anymore talks of WMDs is pointless now that all reports have shown there weren't any to begin with. We were lied to--that's just the bottom line.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:01 PM
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3. Still won't stop 'em from PLANTING WMD's...
which kinda shows how poorly (if at all) this whole war was planned in the first place. After all, even if you "knew" there were WMD's in Iraq, wouldn't you be prepared to plant a few to back up your justification for war? The fact that the CIA wasn't used to plant some VX or plutonium shows me just how fucking stupid this administration truly is.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:21 PM
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6. Rumor Has it They Tried
but that their WMD-planting mission came under 'friendly fire',
leaving some very ill troops, and some dead ones.
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Streetdoc270 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:59 PM
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2. I think that it would be rather silly
for the October suprise to be WMD's because there are too many people/reports saying that they don't exist. A good Oct Suprise would be stopping a terrist with a backpack nuke. This would show all the unbeleivers that GW can protect us....
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 04:52 PM
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7. Yeah, that's a possibility.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:20 PM
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5. I wouldn't doubt that, it's been reported more than
once, about weapons being planted. Since this administration and news media never seem to tell us the truth or try to find out what the truth really is, we probably shouldn't rule out the planting of the weapons.

According to a stunning report posted by a retired Navy Lt Commander and 28-year veteran of the Defense Department (DoD), the Bush administration’s assurance about finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was based on a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) plan to “plant” WMDs inside the country. Nelda Rogers, the Pentagon whistleblower, claims the plan failed when the secret mission was mistakenly taken out by “friendly fire”, the Environmentalists Against War report.




3-14-4
Fifty days after the first reports that the U.S. forces were unloading weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in southern Iraq, new reports about the movement of these weapons have been disclosed.

Sources in Iraq speculate that occupation forces are using the recent unrest in Iraq to divert attention from their surreptitious shipments of WMD into the country.

An Iraqi source close to the Basra Governor’s Office told the MNA that new information shows that a large part of the WMD, which was secretly brought to southern and western Iraq over the past month, are in containers falsely labeled as containers of the Maeresk shipping company and some consignments bearing the labels of organizations such as the Red Cross or the USAID in order to disguise them as relief shipments.

The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, added that Iraqi officials including forces loyal to the Iraqi Governing Council stationed in southern Iraq have been forbidden from inspecting or supervising the transportation of these consignments. He went on to say that the occupation forces have ordered Iraqi officials to forward any questions on the issue to the coalition forces. Even the officials of the international relief organizations have informed the Iraqi officials that they would only accept responsibility for relief shipments which have been registered and managed by their organizations.
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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 04:58 PM
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8. NFW
Almost impossible to arrange. The CIA hates Bush - you think they're going to cooperate? This would be even worse than the Killian memos - they'd have to have such an unimpeachable story. These guys are way too incompetent to pull something like this off.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 05:04 PM
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9. The new CIA Director is a partisan Repub, hand picked by *.
He far from "hates" *. Quite the contrary. He has been fanatically Republican and partisan during his time in Congress, is what I've read.

He now controls ALL branches of intelligence, incl. the CIA and FBI.
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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 05:08 PM
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11. I meant the agency professionals
They are reported to hate Bush for trying to politicize intelligence regarding Iraq and terror.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:53 PM
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12. You mean the ones who didn't speak up when the WMD intelligence
was exaggerated or fabricated? It seems they do what they're told.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 05:06 PM
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10. This would have SO little credibility at this point. BUT, if the crooks
thought eking one percent or so might do it for them, or it might provide cover for a BBV election hack ("whoda thunk that a 20 percent shift in the vote would've happened in the last week? Must've been that WMD find!"), they'd do it...
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:59 PM
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13. Here's the biggest and best October surprise of all:
THERE IS NO OCTOBER SURPRISE
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:01 AM
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14. Bin Laden will kill your school kids
get used to seeing John Ashcroft live
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 12:03 AM
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15. yeah, really...
At one point, I really thought they'd pull a scam like that off.. (I guess most of us did ;) )

But I agree with the others... There would be zero credibility at this phase of the game.

I wonder still how much Bush will try to cash in on the Afghanistan elections if they turn out to be successful? (Cash in by endless, round-the-clock spin about how THEY made the elections possible)

In a lot of ways, I worry about the President of Pakistan (Musharraf) too.. Somehow, someway, I think that he and Bush will try to pull some rabbit out of the the hat before our election.

I'm not sure what.. I just don't trust Musharraf and his overly friendly relationship with Bush.
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