Bill Clinton to join Gavin Newsom in L.A. today to support mayor's bid for governor

[IndianaGreen]

Bill Clinton to join Gavin Newsom in L.A. today to support mayor's bid for governor

October 5, 2009 | 11:03 am

Former President Bill Clinton, who last month pledged his support for Gavin Newsom’s bid for California governor in 2010, will join the San Francisco mayor this afternoon for a visit to Los Angeles City College and a fundraiser.

Clinton and Newsom will visit a science and technology building at LACC and talk with students “about education for green technology jobs, including those in solar installation, weatherization and more,” Newsom campaign officials said in a news release.

The LACC event is not open to the public.

Later this evening, Clinton will be Newsom’s guest at a private fundraiser for his gubernatorial campaign.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/10/newsom-clinton.html

[Cant trust em]

1. This is why Newsom campaigned for Clinton in the primaries last year. nt

[jesus_of_suburbia]

13. He also could have been pissed that Barack didn't want his picture taken with someone pro-gay.

Don't want to upset the religious nuts on the left when we need those primary votes, do we?

[Cant trust em]

21. That could be part of it, but I suspect that it has more to do with political opportunism.

That's just my sense. :shrug:

[jesus_of_suburbia]

23. Everyone successful in politics is opportunistic.

Barack, Hillary, Bill, and Gavin.


There could have been a deal in place with Bill and Gavin, but I doubt it.

[ProSense]

2. Are Clinton and Newson socialists, or just heroes of yours? n/t

[ej510]

3. Newsome wants to run for President one day.

[Ter]

118. I like him, but we would lose 45+ states

if he was our nominee.

[IndianaGreen]

6. Gavin Newsom has been a champion of LGBT rights, while Bill Clinton

has publicly admitted that DOMA was his biggest mistake.

[ProSense]

7. So Bill Clinton is your hero because he "publicly admitted that DOMA was his biggest mistake"? n/t

[IndianaGreen]

8. Spare me you sarcasm!

[ProSense]

10. Only if you spare me your

more power to socialists' pretense. It's no wonder I get the feeling that some of the so-called Green Party shills are nothing but DLC apologists.

[SKKY]

79. Um, actually, he's stated on more than one occasion that not acting on Rwanda soon enough...

...was the biggest mistake of his presidency. But, hey, DOMA, Rwanda. Who can really tell the difference?? :shrug:

[CakeGrrl]

14. So Bill gets a pat on the back, while the President is

on some DU shitlists for not acting sufficiently lightning fast to repeal the policies that Bill put in place.

Yeah, THAT makes sense.

:eyes:

[jesus_of_suburbia]

15. Bill doesn't mind being photographed with pro-gay marriage politicians.. maybe that has something

to do with it?

:shrug:

[CakeGrrl]

22. It's one thing to take the President to task on the merits of

the process of repealing the legislation.

But if the arguments are fueled by anger over perceived slights that he committed (I have not heard about him avoiding being photographed with pro-gay marriage pols), then admit that the arguments are motivated by personal dislike of or disdain for him.

[IndianaGreen]

24. Surely you are not referring to Rick Warren as a 'perceived slight'

Or are you?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

26. How about Donnie McClurkin?

[IndianaGreen]

29. I defended Obama on the McClurkin concert

I now regret being such an apologist.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

34. Don't worry.. most people on DU did. We all make mistakes.

We have 3 years to see if anything changes for GLBT rights.

It doesn't look good so far.


But I appreciate your owning up to your mistake in defending Obama/McClurkin.

:hug:

[CakeGrrl]

28. When did Warren come up?

I was referring to jesus_of_suburbia's comment about avoiding or not avoiding being photographed with a pro-gay marriage individual. I didn't know Rick Warren was involved in that, and as I said, I don't know what's behind that story.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

38. Patterns

You look for patterns.

Pres Obama has at least 3 more years (hopefully 7)... let's hope he proves me wrong about my suspicions that he isn't very concerned with GLBT rights.

[dsc]

43. Obama famously refused to be photographed with Newsome during the campaign

though I will say Newsome's adultery might have had something to do with it.

[ruggerson]

69. Obama refused to be photographed with him in '04 during the SF marriage controversy

the affair took place later.

[dsc]

111. Oh I guess I messed up the time line in my head

sorry, my bad.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

25. Newsom said Barack didn't want his picture taken with him in the primaries....

Because he was pro-gay marriage.

[CakeGrrl]

31. Do we have any reaction from Obama on that, or is this

simply accepting Newsom's word because people prefer to take him at his word?

Was he quoted literally making that claim? I just hadn't heard that.

I guess any mention of the President will simply cause these claims and incidents to bubble back to the surface each and every time.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

35. I accept Newsom's word that he supports GLBT rights.

And I know that Pres Obama has spotlighted homophobes in the past:

McClurkin

Warren




I think I'll trust Newsom on this matter (unless Pres Obama wants to refute it

:shrug: )

Which he hasn't done so far :shrug:



You'd think on an important issue to his base he would have refuted it.

[hileeopnyn8d]

39. It allegedly happened in 2004

he refuted it when it happened. Is he supposed to continue refute it every time someone brings it up?

And as a matter of fact, it did come up again during the primaries (even though it allegedly happened in 2004) and it was refuted then as well.

His deputy campaign director, Steve Hildebrand, who lives with his partner as an openly gay man, calls it "a ridiculous story."

"Barack Obama gets his picture taken with gay people all the time," Hildebrand said. "Including me, his deputy campaign manager."

[jesus_of_suburbia]

42. Where did he refute it when it happened?

Educate me. (I really didn't know he refuted it when it happened)

[hileeopnyn8d]

46. My mistake

It happened (or so the story goes) in 2004, but there was no mention of it until the day before Super Tuesday 2008. It was refuted when the "story" broke.

[ruggerson]

47. actually Willie Brown and others corroborate it

Obama didn't want to be seen with Newsom, at a fundraiser Newsom was co- hosting no less, because Obama considered him too controversial.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/05/BAM5US1B5.DTL

[Lord Helmet]

110. controversial because of Newsom shtupping his campaign manager's wife

[hileeopnyn8d]

37. But there is no proof of that

actually happening way back in 2004. It was mostly rumor, and I've read NOTHING that said any reasons were given as to why he didn't want a photo with Gavin, that is pure conjecture. That's if it happened at all.

http://www.washblade.com/2009/2-13/news/national/Jim%20Ready,%20Barack%20Obama,%20Barney%20Frank.jpg

I'm pretty sure these guys are pro gay marriage.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

40. Was that picture taken during the primary? No.

I don't think Pres Obama hates gays by any means.

I think he panders like all politicians do.


GLBT rights are personal to me, and I think he panders TOO much at times.... more than he should have to for politics.


To me, I see him as the straight guy who doesn't care what GLBT'ers do, but he doesn't want to be associated with us.


And that's not how Democrats should be.

[ruggerson]

48. IT's not rumor at all

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/05/BAM5US1B5.DTL

[hileeopnyn8d]

97. It's hearsay that came out the day before Super Tuesday

and Willie Brown never stated that Obama told him that was the reason, he assumed that was the reason. That doesn't make it a fact, and Obama and those working on his campaign refuted it the day it came out.

To me it sounds like dirty primary politics.

[karynnj]

62. But, which sounds better for Newsome

1) Obama doesn't want to be photographed with me because I just admitted to a sleazy affair (something he likely is not proud of)

OR

2) Obama doesn't want to be photographed with me because I allowed gays to be married in SF. (something he is proud of)

Not to mention he was already supporting HRC in the primaries.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

64. Would you please stick to facts? Barack wouldn't take his picture with Newsom in 2004.

You said:

"Obama doesn't want to be photographed with me because I just admitted to a sleazy affair "


That affair was nowhere on the radar in 2004.

[karynnj]

74. Your post said "in the primaries"

I assumed 2008, as that seemed reasonable with Obama. I do think there were Democrats none too happy with Newsome picking to do this in a Presidential election year when the Republicans already were signalling that they intended to use gay marriage as a wedge issue. I think it was wonderful, but why not do it in 2005!

[jesus_of_suburbia]

80. I thought you knew of the incident.

My wording was incorrect... sorry. I meant Newsom said it in the primaries.. not that it happened then.



And like I said, I don't think Barack is homophobic... I'm just upset that he hasn't so far taken a stand for us (meaning the GLBT community). He's got 3-7 years to prove me wrong. I don't think we can seek common ground with homophobes (just like we can't seek common ground with sexists, racists, etc).


We can be peaceful and cordial towards one another, but we can't promote them.

Do you think Kerry would have had a homophobe at his inauguration?


I know the answer to that. He wouldn't. Teresa said gays would have a mother in the White House if they had won in 2004.

[karynnj]

101. Kerry had a 100% record on any type of rights - including gay

I seriously doubt that Kerry would even think of having a homophobe - (if he wanted someone religious he was a very good friend of Father Drinan.) I would assume that if he suggested one, in addition to Teresa, his two daughters would weigh in. But, I think the "meanness" of any "phobe" would offend Kerry.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

103. I think you misunderstood my post. I know Kerry is for GLBT rights.

I have total faith in him as far as GLBT rights are concerned.

And Teresa is probably even better (although I don't know that for sure).


-- and I wish he had won in 2004 (lol, duh.. I hope anyone on DU does)... I like Kerry VERY much.

[karynnj]

105. Yep - looking back -- I see you answered your own question

:hi:

[jesus_of_suburbia]

124. *smiles*

Yep, I know John and Teresa have the GLBT communities' back. And I thank them for it.

[ruggerson]

65. The problem with your logic

is that the affair took place years AFTER Obama refused to be photographed with him.

[karynnj]

67. Ok - I assumed that when they said primaries - they meant 2008

I stand corrected

[ruggerson]

72. The story actually comes from Willie Brown and corroborated by others

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/05/BAM5US1B5.DTL

[jesus_of_suburbia]

75. My mistake. I meant Newsom brought it up in the primaries.

the incident happened in 2004.

[firedupdem]

32. Isn't that something? n/t

[jesus_of_suburbia]

36. When have the Clintons spotlighted homophobes like Rick Warren?

:shrug:

[firedupdem]

41. So signing that little law in place is of less importance than the guy

who said a prayer at the inauguration? I wouldn't think those would be equal? But hey, whatever floats your boat.

[CakeGrrl]

44. That's the bottom line for me

Clinton is now getting a pass for bringing this despised legislation to fruition, and President Obama is now being taken to the woodshed for not repealing it yesterday, though some of that anger has its continued underpinnings in actions viewed as anti-GLBT.

[ruggerson]

54. Do you know the history of DOMA?

because by your remarks, you might not know fully what occurred.

And I am no Bill Clinton fan, by any means.

[ProSense]

56. Here's a little history for you

Bill screwed us over because he had to.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

Anyone criticizing Obama and defending Bill Clinton is completely and utterly disingenuous.

[ruggerson]

58. I don't read any of your links

so you can save the typing.

[ProSense]

61. Hypocrisy. n/t

[IndianaGreen]

71. I don't either

I don't care for her handy catalog.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

70. Anyone defending Obama and criticizing Bill Clinton is completely and utterly disingenuous.

We know your game, Prosense.

[ProSense]

78. Yeah, Bill screwed up because he had to, right?

Hypocricy.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

81. He did what he had to do. You are the first to say the same for Pres Obama whenever he screws up.

You of all people should know what I meant.

Obama can't do anything wrong in your eyes... and 80% of DU'ers know it.

[ProSense]

84. Nonsense, your excuses for Clinton are nothing but hypocrisy. n/t

[jesus_of_suburbia]

87. You should know all about hypocrisy. You support Obama NO MATTER WHAT.

I can't wait to read your posts over the next 3-7 years.


Comedy Gold.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

60. Thank you for being SOOOOOO concerned with GLBT rights.

Clinton put his ass on the line.

When it didn't work out (because people were too homophobic)... he compromised so something worse (a Constitutional Amendment) wouldn't pass.

As far as DADT, Clinton ALSO put his ass on the line. He wanted gays to serve openly. That couldn't happen, so he settled. At least he TRIED. HE tried (not the Congress).


These compromises are not the same as FUCKING USING HOMOPHOBES IN YOUR CAMPAIGN AND INAUGURATION.



Get Real.

[CakeGrrl]

90. Don't presume to tell me what concerns me about GLBT rights

You have no fucking idea who I am, who I have in my life, or what GLBT concerns we discuss or address.

This is just confirmation that it's best to stay out of any DOMA/DADT thread on GD: P. There is a contingent of posters here who are simply going to carry this:

These compromises are not the same as FUCKING USING HOMOPHOBES IN YOUR CAMPAIGN AND INAUGURATION

into every dialogue, and it will surface again and again to rehash to no positive end what did or did not happen during the campaign, what was or was not intended, and so on. Lather, rinse, repeat.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

98. "These compromises are not the same as FUCKING USING HOMOPHOBES IN YOUR CAMPAIGN AND INAUGURATION"

That's because it's true.

[CakeGrrl]

115. But when Rick Warren participates in Bill Clinton's Global Initiative,

it's all good?

Apparently Bill gets the benefit of good intentions which gives him a pass on HIS association with Warren. Sounds like a double standard to me.

[ruggerson]

99. I thought this was a thread about Gavin Newsom

but it somehow seems to have raised a lot of hackles.

Even "contingents" on DU have differing and varied views, as you know.

My concern, if we're generalizing, is that lots of time people throw around DADT and DOMA without knowing their complicated histories. Again, I'm no defender of Bill CLinton's, but the world was a different place and he did have good intentions when he was first elected. Before he discovered the extreme hatred that drove a lot of public policy surrounding these issues.

[CakeGrrl]

116. To your post's point, what's it doing here on GD: P as a matter of fact?

Bill Clinton is not the President.

Apparently this is not about President Obama, who as far as the OP has opined elsewhere in this thread is not sincere in wanting to help the GLBT community.

So if the thread's about Newsom and support he is getting from Clinton, why was it started here?

[ruggerson]

119. Good point

but then we'd also have to boot out all the other posts about various senate and house and governor's races that seem to crop up in this forum.

And every post about Jimmy Carter.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

51. Sorry... the country was much different 15 years ago. Barack would never have been elected.

Because the country was way too fucking racist to even elect the best person for the job.

Bill Clinton put his ass on the line for gays, and when it didn't work out, he compromised (because he had to - or else something worse would have happened).


Bill screwed us over because he had to.



Barack chooses to spotlight fucking homophobes like Warren and McClurkin.


I'm sure that Bill and Hillary would hang with homophobe religious idiots in the South (because they have to for politics)... but I doubt they'd give them the spotlight in their inauguration.

[ProSense]

53. "Bill Clinton put his ass on the line for gays" with DOMA and DADT?

"Bill screwed us over because he had to."

OMG, WTF?


:rofl:

[jesus_of_suburbia]

66. Has Barack put his ass on the line for gays? In any way?

[ProSense]

73. You wrote: "Bill screwed us over because he had to."

Did Barack Obama screw you over like Bill did, because he had to?

Hypocrisy.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

86. Bill doesn't court homophobes like Barack has.

Bill played politics (like Barack is doing).

I don't like that, but I understand it.


What I don't like is Barack spotlighting homophobes like Warren and McClurkin.

I don't think Bill would do that, and I know Hillary wouldn't.

[ProSense]

94. Any excuse for Bill

Rick Warren at 2008 Clinton Global Initiative

[CakeGrrl]

95. Interesting. Is this OK since Bill's OK? n/t

[jesus_of_suburbia]

100. You're the queen of any excuse (for Barack).

[CakeGrrl]

114. And that's makes it fine to overlook Bill Clinton's partnership with Rick Warren?

I think it speaks directly to the OP making a favorable post about Bill Clinton ostensibly because his motives toward the GLBT community are seen as sincere in contrast to President Obama, and that's in no small part because the President invited Rick Warren to the Inauguration and it is held against him just about every time GLBT rights are mentioned in GD: P.

So here we have proof that Bill Clinton has an association with this same man. Where's the outrage?

[davidpdx]

126. You've done everything, but directly call Obama a homophobe

Disgusting

[firedupdem]

33. delete n/t

[joeybee12]

4. Those of us old enough to remmeber...Jerry Brown ran for Prez

in 1992...one of the last Dems standing before Bill clinched the nomination.

[IndianaGreen]

5. Jerry was running interference for the anti-Clinton crowd

I remember well Jerry's bullshit humility agenda, or words to that effect. I was a strong supporter of Bill Clinton back then, and I was annoyed as hell by Jerry getting into the act late in the game.

[thatsrightimirish]

9. I hope Brown wins

Gavin Newsom has not been a good mayor.

[ShortnFiery]

18. +1

;) :hi:

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

11. Makes me want to donate even more money to Jerry!

I like Gavin and applaud his heroic efforts to secure rights for the GLBT community, but I don't think that even Big Dawg can help his campaign.

[ej510]

12. Newsome's career sank when he banged his campaign manager's wife.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

16. I started to go there but didn't. Both he and Big Dawg ain't necessarily the paragon of faithfulness

to their wives.

[ruggerson]

82. True

but then neither were MLK or JFK or LBJ or many others.

[Cha]

17. Ah, such a

pity.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

19. It's heartbreaking because I thought Gavin was a rising star in the Democratic Party! n/t

[IndianaGreen]

20. and Bush was faithful to his wife

and your point is?

[Cha]

27. What's your

point?

[Name removed]

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[Cha]

49. You are just full of insults..so sorry you're coming

apart at the seams.

[IndianaGreen]

57. Don't play the victim. FRAK is not even a human language word.

[Cha]

68. I'm not a victim.. I'm sorry for you.

[musiclawyer]

45. So True

The Democtratic Party can survive with politicians without baggage. It may not be, but this private baggage is perceived as a character defect, and we juts don't need to give the other side any ammo. Period. Sorry Gavin, Go Brown.

[ruggerson]

50. Why do straight people think it's ok to TELL gay people how they should react

to politicians records on gay equality issues?

It's pretty damn offensive.

[ProSense]

52. Because hypocrisy is hypocrisy?

You don't actually believe hypocrisy is allowed because of one's sexuality do you?

Your post is pretty damn offensive.

[ruggerson]

55. Nothing to do with hypocrisy

You don't know, as you've demonstrated in the past, the full history of either DOMA or DADT.

A lot of gay people who lived through that era, however, do.

Go ahead and be offensive. It's not like you can go much lower anyway.

[ProSense]

59. It's all hypocrisy. n/t

[ruggerson]

63. No some people actually think and reason

others just post links day after day in a kind of psychotic frenzy.

[IndianaGreen]

76. Rick Warren was hypocrisy.

And all that followed Warren, reinforced the views that LGBT rights were expendable.

[Name removed]

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[jesus_of_suburbia]

88. Keep on saying it.... nobody believes it but the TRUE believers.

The true believers NEVER find fault with Obama.

[VMI Dem]

83. Gavin's support of GLBT rights will not make him the most popular choice here.

[ruggerson]

85. Quite evidently

n/t

[Cha]

89. Maybe Californians like that Jerry Brown is

ahead in beating the republicans?

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=102916.0

There's not too many on DU who do not support Rights for everyone..I won't say there isn't anyone bc there's always a few trolls lurking.

[ruggerson]

92. Personally

I'd be very happy with Jerry Brown as Guv. And the polls indicated he's be a stronger candidate than Newsom

But if you look at the vitriol directed at Newsom here - things that make you go hmmmmm...

[Starry Messenger]

91. I'm voting for Newsom.

I like both men, but Jerry could use a fire under his ass on GBLT rights. A good turnout for Newsom in the primary might give Brown something to think about if he wins.

[Cha]

93. That's a good

point.

[Beacool]

96. Wow, so many negative responses just because Bill is supporting Newsom.

This board is as nutty as the Freepers.......

:crazy:

[IndianaGreen]

102. I like Newsom because of he is a champion of full equal rights for LGBTs

and I am happy to see the Big Dog himself campaign for Gavin.

Having said that, if Jerry Brown wins the nomination, he will be far better than the GOP candidate.

C'mon Jerry, come out of that Jesuit closet of yours!

[Beacool]

104. I don't know much about Newsom.

But I do remember the story about Obama not posing with him for a pic a few years ago.

What I was commenting was the vitriol on this board for anything Clinton. It's just plain crazy to me.

:(

[EFerrari]

123. Someone of us have lived with what passes for Newsom's administrative "skills'. n/t

[joeycola]

106. Thanks Bill.

[Lord Helmet]

107. Bubba boards the Fail Train -- Brown outpolling Newsom even in SF.

[T116]

108. I hope Gavin wins. So glad to see BC out on the trail for the superior candidate!

[argonaut]

109. If you'll excuse me: Ewwww, Newsom.

What a slimey hack. Ugh.

Jerry Brown for Governor (again)!

[kiranon]

122. Agree. Won't vote for Newsom even though some of his policies

I support. Ewwww is the proper term.

[ieoeja]

112. The Hillary crowd must really hate Kerry.

If a Senate candidate pisses you off that much, then the Presidential candidate avoiding the entire city that year because of Newsome must seriously cheese you off.

[T116]

113. Well, most GLBT support Hillary, and most homophobes don't.

[ieoeja]

121. Poll? (nt)

[AsahinaKimi]

117. I met Gavin Newsom ..he is awesome...

And seriously, anyone is better then Schwartzenegger. Maybe Arnold can go back to Movie making and leave all us
Californians in peace.

[David Zephyr]

120. Brown will annihilate Newsom in the primaries. Bill will look foolish once again.

This is even worse than Bill Clinton's total support for Terry McAuliffe who was handed his ass by the voters. If Clinton looked impotent then, this will make him look neutered.

Californian Democrats adore Jerry Brown as do the unions.

Clinton carries his grudge against Brown to his own embarrassment.

Jerry Brown will be the next Governor of California.

[saltpoint]

125. Big name endorsement, certainly, but I don't think it will be nearly

enough to overcome the statewide support for Jerry Brown.

I'm for Brown. I don't think Gavin can win. I do think Brown can.