Do you wish that Barack Obama was a Socialist?

[FrenchieCat]

Poll question: Do you wish that Barack Obama was a Socialist?

and that we would be the Socialist Democratic Party?

[Jim Sagle]

1. No, I just wish he were a Democrat.

;(

[FrenchieCat]

3. What does a Democrat believe?

[avaistheone1]

22. You had to ask.

Liberals and conservatives generally share the same political principles, differing only on their degree. For example, both believe in a public and private sector, but liberals call for a larger government, conservatives a smaller one. Similarly, both parties generally believe in all the tenets listed below; this list simply shows which end of the spectrum each resides on.


Liberals...........Conservatives
--------------------------------
Collectivism.......Individualism
Change.............Tradition
Science............Religion
Inclusiveness......Exclusiveness
Democracy........Constitutionalism
Equality.............Merit
Public Sector......Private Sector
Pacifism............Armed Deterrence
They also represent their own special interest groups:


Liberals...........Conservatives
--------------------------------
Workers............Business management and owners
The Poor...........The Rich
Women..............Men
Minorities...........Whites
Academics..........Christians
Environmentalists..Industry
Artists................Police and Military
Gun control........Gun owners
advocates

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/ShortFAQ.htm#socialism

[livefreest]

40. no it's simple: conservatives love yesterday, hate today, and hope tomorrow is just like yesterday

liberals/progressives dislike yesterday, kind of hate today, hope tomorrow will be a fantastic utopia completely different from anything ever seen before

[Parker CA]

4. LOL. n/t.

[FrenchieCat]

8. What does a Democrat believe that makes Obama something else?

[Parker CA]

11. Frenchie, I was not responding to your post, rather to the absurdity of the other.

[d_b]

5. lol

[Cha]

6. Like Hillary?

..

[FrenchieCat]

7. Like Hillary. Good one! Lol!

[Occam Bandage]

10. Yes. Why can't he be a Democrat like Hillary?

:rofl:

[Uzybone]

19. so says the Clinton avatar

[Political Heretic]

20. Empty zinger statements like this are so tiresome

[Political Heretic]

24. .

.

[Marsala]

26. Like Evan Bayh and Ben Nelson?

Obama is a "better" Democrat than many.

[Name removed]

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[baldguy]

2. He tempers his standard corporatism with a little populism & a whole load of pragmatism..

What works is good, what doesn't work is bad - no matter what "-ism" it is.

[FrenchieCat]

9. You don't see any socialism in there at all?

If not, how could the Freepers be so wrong then?

[baldguy]

13. Freepers?...Wrong?

:rofl:

Saying that freepers are never wrong is like saying fish never swim in water.

[Phx_Dem]

12. Those are some scary results! Maybe this forum should be renamed "Socialist Underground"

:wow:

[fadedrose]

14. The Republican Oligarchy Party vs. the Democratic Socialist Party

It's time to call a spade a spade.

[iamthebandfanman]

15. Combo of 1 & 5 n/t

[LeftishBrit]

16. I certainly wish that Gordon Brown was one....

[TwilightZone]

17. Holy sh*%, does this poll explain a lot.

In other words, there is roughly zero chance that half of the respondents (thus far) of the poll will ever be happy with anything he does.

Ay carumba.

[Hippo_Tron]

18. Well I consider myself a Social Democrat

So would the Socialist Democratic party be a Socialist party or a Social Democratic party?

[Name removed]

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[JVS]

23. Do you mean a Socialist for the banks, or a Socialist for the people?

I'd like him to be a little less of the first and a bit more of the second.

[Political Heretic]

25. Yes, I wish Obama was a socialist democrat and yes, I wish we were a socialist democratic party.

And no, unlike someone suggested up above that does not mean that I can not be happy with anything the President ever does. There are many smaller polices and executive orders that have already occurred that I am very happy with, and there are a couple major things that I have been every happy with.

But there are some serious concerns that I will never - ever - apologize to anyone for having.

1) I need to believe and have evidence to suggest that the Obama Administration has, is and will continue to put every resource available at its disposal into a full throttle fight to pass Employee Free Choice. Some say that is happening "behind the scenes" some don't, but time will tell and the truth will come out, and that will certainly be one thing that effects my opinion of the Obama Presidency.

2) I need to believe and have evidence to suggest that the Obama Administration not only believes that a) torture occurred b) torture was sanctioned by and approved at the highest levels of the previous administration and c) torture is a crime but also believes in the rule of law, and that a sworn oath to uphold the constitution not only means doing so "going forward" but also means making sure there is accountability when laws or constitutional principles are grossly violated by our leaders - that this is his sworn duty as President. We will have a final answer eventually on how this administration is going to handle its sworn duty eventually, and that will certainly be one thing that effects my opinion of the Obama Presidency.

3) I need to believe and have evidence to suggest that the Obama Administration is serious about reforming the way Wall Street and Corporate America have been doing business - a way which is absolutely nearly fully responsible for bringing us the worst economic times since the great depression. This happens to be an area where a great deal of policy has already been announced, and many actions already taken, such that it is possible to form an opinion with some concrete specifics to consider.

The Obama administration's approach to financial recovery has been an unarguably corporation-first approach that absolutely deserves to be called a trickle-down bailout. It was created under a philosophy that nothing is fundamentally wrong with a system that has created the highest levels of income inequality and highest poverty rates of any of the top twenty nations in the OEDC. I believe everything about that approach and philosophy is fundamentally mistaken, and I believe our actions now have handed our children and grandchildren a much greater nightmare than anything we've face.


4) I need to believe and have evidence to suggest that the Obama Administration is fundamentally shifting America's aggressive war mongering policy of global hegemony in the name of the so-called "War on Terror" and ending our corporate-interest driven quest for global asset dominance, bringing our troops home, shutting our global military outposts down, and being victorious over terrorism by ending policies of global hegemony and aggression. Obviously, we already have direct examples of the fact that the Administration intends to do the exact opposite of this. And I think this tragic mistake of continuing the same basic foreign policy, albeit executed with a bit more sophistication and style than the previous administration, is the single largest thing we could possibly do to make America less safe for our children.

Those are some pretty serious worries, and two already active areas of criticism. They do tend to dwarf some of the administrations other accomplishments in my mind.

[MannyGoldstein]

27. What's A Socialist?

Seriously. All of us believe that many functions should be socialized - military, police, roads, etc.

[TheKentuckian]

28. Other: I'm fairly pro socialist, realize Obama isn't a socialist, and am ok with this

and certainly not surprised, concerned, or disappointed. A common sense capitalist is a win as far as I'm concerned, he leans status que but is the furthest thing from an ideological zealot. I think he even understands at worst that they are killing their own golden goose. Even that level of in touch and flexible moves us a ton of steps in the right direction.

Obama was always the beginning not the end in my vision of things. The past generation or two worth of knots won't be untied in the wink of the eye, probably well beyond a Presidency (even two terms).
The Republicans being sooooooooo far gone nuts makes Congress even tougher than usual to deal with as the Democrats actually contain the left, middle, and right of a liberal democracy which then must work around a sizable minority of lockstep walking, far right wing extremists dedicating to destroying the ability of government to function mostly for the purposes of funneling wealth to a very few, that enjoy the rights and powers of a functioning PARTNER in actually governing the Republic.

I just see that reality demands some touch and acceptance of how far off track we are. Obama is the para-medic. I have little doubt that a top surgeon will be needed but the patient must be stabalized first. Obama's the pivot and performing as hoped or better.

[leftofthedial]

29. I'd settle for him being a Democrat.

[Old Hank]

30. Socialist nations have better health care

If I'm not mistaken.

[FrenchieCat]

31. Yes they do. But in general the opportunities in what you do with your life

are more limited there.

That's one of the reason that we emigrated to the United States from France.

[eridani]

32. I'd settle for an end to corporate bootlicking myself

You don't have to favor the public ownership of all means of production in order to favor more regulation of the sociopathic shitstains that have tanked our economy.

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[Blue_Tires]

35. i would rather have more socialist dems in congress

or even liberal ones, for starters...

[Creideiki]

36. Just another American that doesn't know what socialism is

Really? Hasn't anyone taken even a basic government class in high school? This isn't even college-level stuff. Hell, we covered this stuff in junior high.

[Creideiki]

37. Just another American that doesn't know what socialism is

Really? Hasn't anyone taken even a basic government class in high school? This isn't even college-level stuff. Hell, we covered this stuff in junior high.

[Forkboy]

38. Too funny.

:rofl:

[anonymous171]

41. The only thing I dislike about Socialists is their rejection of Nationalism.

Not because I love nationalism or anything, but because it makes it hard for them to get elected.