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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:07 AM
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Bayh, Carper, Lincoln Defending Themselves: Building Bridges on The Hill
Hmmm.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/24/AR2009032402461.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Building Bridges on The Hill


By Evan Bayh, Tom Carper and Blanche Lincoln
Wednesday, March 25, 2009; Page A15


Last week, the three of us announced the formation of a moderate Democratic working group in the U.S. Senate.

Even though the White House and Senate leadership praised the group's formation, some commentators reacted by reporting signs of a rift and a power struggle within the Democratic Party. Others accused the 16 members of our group of trying to obstruct the president's agenda.

We understand the Beltway impulse to emphasize conflict and the blogosphere's concern that Democrats stick together. But as the group's founders, we feel compelled to set the record straight.

We formed our working group because we recognize both the difficulty and the urgency of accomplishing a huge and ambitious agenda. We must act quickly and decisively to repair our financial markets and start to turn the economy around. In addition, we believe that President Obama is correct when he says that we cannot afford to wait any longer to fix health care and transition to a clean-energy economy.

These are titanic and complicated tasks, and we believe that many worthwhile policy solutions can be found in the practical center -- ideas that also have the benefit of appealing to vast segments of the American electorate. Unfortunately, the Republican leadership has basically decided to stay on the sidelines to let the Democrats carry the load of reform alone.

As moderate leaders, it is not our intent to water down the president's agenda. We intend to strengthen and sustain it. Moderation is not a mathematical process of finding the center for its own sake. Practical solutions are practical because they offer our best chance to make a difference in people's lives today without forcing our children to pick up the tab tomorrow.

The stakes are too high for Democrats to fear a policy debate. Such debates produce better legislation. On nearly all important votes, a supermajority of 60 senators will be needed to pass legislation. Without Democratic moderates working to find common ground with reasonable Republicans, the president's agenda could well be filibustered into oblivion.

Beyond the chessboard of the Senate, nearly half of the U.S. electorate calls itself moderate, and more than half of the rest identify themselves as conservative. That means Democrats could capture every liberal vote and half of the moderates and still lose at the polls. Many independents voted for President Obama and the contours of his change agenda, but they will not rubber-stamp it. They are wary of ideological solutions and are overwhelmingly pragmatic. Many of them live in our states and in the states of the other senators who have joined our group.

To represent them, the three of us will seek to pursue a set of core principles. First, we want to help shape and pass a far-reaching agenda to address America's most urgent domestic problems. Second, we seek to promote ideas that spur long-term, private-sector economic growth. Third, we will pursue fiscally responsible solutions to put our debt-ridden nation on a sustainable path that protects and strengthens the American middle class.

In all of these areas, we share a bond with President Obama as well as with the House and Senate Democratic leadership. That is not to say that we will always agree on every detail of their agendas, but we do agree that our role is to be constructive, not obstructive. We plan to be a positive force in our caucus, exemplified by the constructive role a number of us played in making reasonable adjustments to garner the GOP votes needed to pass the president's economic recovery package.

In 1993, the three of us, as much younger politicians, stood with great expectations as the last Democratic president was sworn in with big plans, a head of steam and a Democratic Congress ready to begin a new progressive era. In less than two years, it all came crashing down, with disillusioned moderate voters handing the GOP broad congressional victories in 1994.

The moment has arrived again for our party to lead. Our group hopes to work constructively with members on both sides of the aisle to make the big changes that America needs today and tomorrow. We believe that is the best way to help our president and our nation rise to the moment and meet the enormous challenges before us.


Evan Bayh (Ind.), Tom Carper (Del.) and Blanche Lincoln (Ark.) are Democratic members of the U.S. Senate.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:11 AM
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1. I hope they are all thre targets of primary opponents
That would teach them a lesson.

Especially Bayh because he's just pissed off that the adminsitration wouldn't tap him for any jobs.
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:16 AM
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4. Yes, let's hope for a decent primary opponent for Carper.
Because if it were Carper against the Repub that ran against Biden (Christine O'Donnell - I think), then I'm voting again for Carper. No need to put her fundy neocon a$$ in a seat anyplace. She's a Reaganomics fan.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:12 AM
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12. unfortunately Bayh is about as liberal as Indy gets with it's elected officials
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:14 AM
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2. All building bridges to nowhere. n/t
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:26 AM
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5. Dang, you beat me to it, woodsprite! eom
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 04:55 PM
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23. Bridges built by lobbyists to guarantee fragmentation and legislative stagnation
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:15 AM
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3. Thanks, but No Thanks. n/t
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:43 AM
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6. Their idea of building bridges is lying down and rolling over to appease
the GOP.

In this list it fascinating to note how many of these same
people supported and made it possible for Bush to get his
agenda through. You can count on them when in a crunch to
cast their vote to benefit Business even if it means kicking
the American Citizen under the bus. The last eight years
have made many not trust them for this reason.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:01 AM
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7. Bayh is not a leader.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:53 AM
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10. wasn't he considered for VP?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:30 PM
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19. Being considered for VP does not make one a leader. Consider that he wasn't picked.
Look at Dan Quayle. He wasn't a leader either. I don't think Bush picked him to be VP because he was a leader either.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 04:47 PM
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24. but he does know what he's doing--and lobbyist do have his number
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 09:09 PM
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26. What does Bayh's contributor's list look like?
If you're making the lobbyist charge (which is pretty damaging), which interest group and how much money?

Has he flopped from one position only to receive money and argue the opposite?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:03 AM
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8. The politics of wetting one’s pants
:D

http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/25/the-politics-of-wetting-ones-pants/


The politics of wetting one’s pants
By: Attaturk Wednesday March 25, 2009 1:30 am


Oh, behold the self-reverent, self-proclaimed, brave ones in today's Washington Post:

Beyond the chessboard of the Senate, nearly half of the U.S. electorate calls itself moderate, and more than half of the rest identify themselves as conservative. That means Democrats could capture every liberal vote and half of the moderates and still lose at the polls. Many independents voted for President Obama and the contours of his change agenda, but they will not rubber-stamp it. They are wary of ideological solutions and are overwhelmingly pragmatic. Many of them live in our states and in the states of the other senators who have joined our group.


Evan Bayh, Blanche Lincoln, and Tom Carper -- we strongly believe in the loaded drivel of bullshit polls and empty platitudes!

Behold us villagers, worship us, and make sure there's plenty of cream cheese in the Meet the Press green "blue" room.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:44 AM
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9. obviously they have been getting some negative feedback
.
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falcon97 Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:00 PM
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18. I called Bayh's office, as an Indiana voter.
I urged him to remember who is friends are and what the Repubs did to this country. Although reflecting on my message, I seem to recall that Bayh has never been the most popular person in the party.
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 09:16 PM
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27. Good. They need to get more feedback.
Until they figure out that they will make us ALL marginal by marginalizing Obama's get out of the ditch plan.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:01 AM
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11. I think this is a deliberate and brilliant move by the Democratic party.
Obama very much wants to be seen as "bipartisan" and rack up some "bipartisan" successes. He tried to be "bipartisan" with the Republicans, who demonstrated that they are fully willing to risk being deemed obstructionist rather than work with Obama. But the WH is still desperate to convey the image that Obama is willing to consider the "conservative" point of view.

So, what to do?

Why frame some "conservative" Democrats as your opposition, of course! Get some Democrats to go out into the media with their "conservative" demands, allowing the WH to say, "we hear your concerns and are willing to work with you". And Obama's friendly opposition can then say, "thank you President Obama for being willing to listen to and work with American conservatives".

Added bonus, the Republican party is now officially obsolete.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:15 AM
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13. The down side, of course, is some of us would like to be able
to go see a doctor someday. With Dems siding with the "let them die" Republicans, I see any opportunity for healthcare minus bankruptcy slipping away.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:15 AM
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14. I hope you're right and that's something
I hadn't considered. Do you also think Kent Conrad is being utilized in the same way? I think we might have some rips in that big tent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/24/AR2009032403493.html?hpid=topnews

Democrats Take Knife To Obama's Budget
Billions Targeted to Bring Deficits Down
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:55 PM
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16. If you're going to expand the tent, you'll have to take out a few seams first.
I honestly think that Obama is looking to transfer some of his popularity is Congressional Dems. If he's going to get his ambitious agenda through, he can't stand to lose Dem seats next year. So I think allowing Dems from more conservative areas to puff out their chests from time-to-time is actually necessary. I don't know about Conrad specifically, and won't know what his agenda is until after the fact, but in general I really think there is less "renegade" behavior in Washington than we are led to believe. IMO, 90-99% of what we see is coordinated through the party. Politicians are just much too financially beholden to their parties for it to be otherwise.

With regards to the new "conservative" Democrats, did you hear that MoveOn is planning on running ads against them in their home states? Could you think of better advertising for them? My goodness, if we could just get ACORN to picket their offices, their reelection would be as good as done. ;)

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Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:21 PM
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15. I think you're right ...

...I've been thinking along these lines myself, wondering if the President, and Rahm cooked this up. What tipped me to think that way, other then the "opposition" group is being led by Bayh who Obama reportedly worked closely with in the Sen, and considered for the VP spot, is the fact that Jim Webb is a part of this group. Webb worked his ass off campaigning for Obama in Virginia, and all over appalachia. And Jim Webb is a populist, who has championed the middle class and the poor in his campaign, and in the Senate.

I've seen it stated here that "Obama's playing chess, and the republicans are playing checkers". I think a lot of people on this board are still playing checkers too.

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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 09:21 PM
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29. You assume the self interest in its best sense.
This self interest, conservaDEMS, is not based on what is good for America. They're rolling out CYA protection so they can run in their districts as being Democrats but not being aligned with those DC Dems.


Their CYA today will be Obama's budget defeat tomorrow. Then they'll say there is NOTHING they could have done to 'help'. When they force failure on the process from the beginning, then they are creating the grounds for failure later.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:57 PM
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17. building a birdge to what?
Edited on Wed Mar-25-09 12:58 PM by iamthebandfanman
stalemate?

if you build a bridge to the other side, and all the other side wants to do is burn it down... what have you accomplished?

best to not even build that bridge and waste our time, effort, or money. itd be different if republicans wanted to work with us. they dont. they have no intention of letting any of our ideas succeed.

these people are a joke, and are in the back pocket of special interests through and through...

im to clean house in the party.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:49 PM
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20. nowhere?
(Does that mean they have to pay royalties to Ted Stevens)
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:04 PM
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22. This middle/moderate they
so seemed inclined to use loosely where there and we all know what happened then,
deals where being made and the American people where being left out.

So, FUCK them and their moderate self.

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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:01 PM
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21. Heres a short reply
Dear Messrs,

Evan Bayh (Ind.), Tom Carper (Del.) and Blanche Lincoln (Ark.)

We (blogosphere) do understand the idea to debate the President on these important issues
affecting the American people, where we disagree is the intention and motive behind your
proposal to create a body of moderate Democrats.

We have stood by the sidelines (for 8 years I might add) and watched you literally handed
over everything to a leader that ran the country over the cliff with no remorse, and we
asked, why now(?) when there is a Democratic President should you all of a sudden decided
that now is the time to create a splinter group.

Where was all this pressure during the Bush lite years??? we have no choice but to think that
your splinter group is there to undermine the President's agenda and looking at past records
we can presume there is no disagreement on your part. We have seen what a practical solution
can do or have done in the past, that has led us to were we are right now as a nation.

We asked that you reconsider this motion and instead fight the good fight for your state rather
than an infringed philosophy that this is what your state and the American people wants or would
like to see, knowing fully that that is not the case. This is a designed agenda from special
interest groups whose access have been cut off by the Obama administration to create pandemonium
and present the administration as a failure.

We the people are capable of holding every officials accountable including the Obama administration,
but, what we don't want to do now, is obstruct him before he even get started.

Yours

Hutzpa


Peace!!
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 04:47 PM
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25. They can all eat shit!
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 09:21 PM
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28. Leading by default and fear? Gingrich GOP no longer ascendant, and we're in trouble. More
importantly, we have opportunity for improvements decades postponed. What are they really thinking.

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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 09:28 PM
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30. Message received. Proposition denied.
If there was no history behind the corporate minded Democrats, we'd believe your sincere concern.

If there was no voting history for the last 8 years under Bush, we'd embrace your ideals.

If we didn't believe Obama was a pragmatism and far enough to the moderate to conservative side, we'd love to hear what you had to say.


However...

We are headed left ward. We'd tried Clinton and Bush, but the answer is been there, did that, and have the bankruptcy filing to prove it didn't work.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 09:35 PM
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31. Bayh: My Group Of Blue Dogs ‘Literally Has No Agenda’ Other Than Blocking Obama’s
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