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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:16 PM
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Single-Payer Health Care Reform: Removing the Foxes From the Henhouse
March 3, 2009

Removing the Foxes From the Henhouse
Single-Payer Health Care Reform
By DANIEL P. WIRT, MD
Daniel P. Wirt, M.D. is a Pathologist, Houston, Texas and member of Health Care for All Texas and member of Physicians for a National Health Program.

The data and evidence are clear: to a scientific certainty, only a single-payer “Medicare-for-All” system of health care financing will solve the serious cost and access problems and achieve good, affordable health care for all in the United States. As a scientist and physician, this is my conclusion after studying the data for years. The data are voluminous, stretching back to World War II, and come not only from the United States, but from all other industrialized countries. Except for the United States, all industrialized countries have some form of universal health care.

A majority of physicians (59%) and an even higher proportion of Americans (at least 62%) support single payer national health insurance or “Medicare-for-All”. In spite of this, virtually all we are hearing about today are mandate plans that would require everyone to buy the same private for-profit insurance that is already failing us. The for-profit insurance companies and their plethora of plans make for a terribly complex, fragmented, costly and inefficient system. Administrative overhead consumes about 31% of health care dollars in the United States, and the for-profit insurance companies are responsible for half of this, or 15% of $2.4 trillion. This money, more than $350 billion per year, provides no health care: it is consumed by enormous administrative costs, profits for investors and shareholders, and large salaries for managers of these for-profit insurance companies.

All of the incremental reform programs proposed --- tax subsidies, health savings accounts, individual or employer mandates, increased regulation of for-profit insurance companies --- keep these proverbial foxes in the henhouse and are doomed to fail to control costs and provide universal access. Competition among the foxes does not benefit the chickens, the patients, the doctors or the hospitals. The for-profit insurance companies fundamentally reduce choice --- your preferred doctor or hospital is “out-of-network”? Too bad, we won’t pay, says your insurance company.

A single-payer “Medicare-for-All” system --- improved and expanded Medicare --- is embodied in a bill currently in the U.S. House of Representatives, H.R. 676, sponsored by Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., and cosponsored by 93 other members of Congress in the last congressional session. Its features are: automatic enrollment for everyone; comprehensive services covering all medically necessary care and drugs; free choice of doctor and hospital, who remain independent and negotiate their fees and budgets with a public or nonprofit agency; processing and payment of bills by a public or nonprofit agency; promotion of job growth and the entire U.S. economy by removing the excessive burden of health care costs from businesses; coverage for everyone without spending any more than we are now.

The growth in health care costs must be addressed if any proposal is to succeed. Single-payer offers real tools to contain costs: budgeting, especially for hospitals, planning of capital investments (to avoid wasteful duplication and concentration of expensive technology), and an emphasis on primary care and coordination of care. Mandate plans offer only false hopes: competition among for-profit insurance companies, computerization and chronic disease management. Competition among the shrinking number of for-profit insurance companies has already failed to contain costs and, in the absence of single-payer and reformed primary care (so that everyone has a primary care home), computerization and chronic disease management will raise costs, not lower them.

Please read the complete article at:

http://www.counterpunch.org/wirt03032009.html

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:26 PM
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1. I just got an email that said Conyers has reintroduced HR 676 to Congress
and that he has the support of 96 members of Congress. The bad news was that Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), chair of the powerful Senate Finance Committee, will not allow consideration of single payer as an option for reform, and Sen. Kennedy (D-Mass.) is, by all indications, poised to promote the flawed Massachusetts health plan at the national level after months of secret meetings with insurance, business, and pharmaceutical company lobbyists. http://www.pnhp.org/blog/2009/03/02/sen-baucus-wants-cbo-to-be-creative/

There was supposed to be a hearing but I can't find out what happened.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:33 PM
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2. Here's what Dr. Wirt had to say on the Massachusetts health plan

The data are in. Incremental reforms, mostly mandate schemes which retain the for-profit insurance companies have been tried in seven states over the past two decades: Massachusetts, Tennessee, Washington, Oregon, Minnesota, Vermont, Maine. In all of these states the reforms have failed to contain costs. In all but Massachusetts, they have failed to reduce the number of uninsured. In Massachusetts, there has been a modest decrease in the number of uninsured, falling from 13% of adults in 2006 to 7.1% of adults in 2007, but at the cost of a substantial increase in public spending (spending for “Commonwealth Care” was $629.8 million in fiscal year 2007, $1089.2 million in fiscal year 2008 and $1317.7 million in fiscal year 2009). Most of the gain in Massachusetts has come from expanding Medicaid and subsidizing the purchase of private insurance; very few people have signed up for the unsubsidized but mandated private insurance. Not to mention that 7.1% uninsured is unacceptably high. Far from controlling costs, these mandate plans will add hundreds of billions of dollars to the nation’s health care costs.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 04:46 PM
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11. the problem is that our system of divided power only allows for incremental reform

It takes parlimentary type of government to take big steps like single payer.


The only hope is that the medical profession demands it.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:04 PM
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13. This would be the way to go but the last stats I saw on this is only
49% of health care providers are for it. Maybe we need to do a campaign from the grass roots to sell the other 51% on the idea. Actually, there will always be those that are opposed but if there was more of a majority like 60% or 70% there might be a chance of convincing Congress and the White House of which way to go.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:17 PM
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18. I questioned somebody else and they had medical providers in the high 60s

We can fight the insurance industry but we can't find both. People will take Doctors over bureacrats
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 02:40 AM
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26. I have heard that some people have moved out of Massachusetts to avoid the
Mandated health care there.

There is no secret to why Universal Single Payer Health care is so hard for We the people to obtain - it is because the President is not progressive enough and has surrounded himself with advisers who would rather see the Insurance companies prosper than the people themselves.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:27 PM
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6. 96 sponsors is great. It has taken a while to get to that. We must keep fighting.
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:53 PM
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7. **CALL YOUR CONGRESSCRITTERS NOW--OF ALL STRIPES--
SINGLE PAYER IS FOR ALL---NOTHING BUT.


ps--i am shouting at all--
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 04:44 PM
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10. Here's why Senator Baucus is against single payer.
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 04:45 PM by Cleita
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00004643

These are among the top industries that contributed to him.

Insurance $588,185
Health Professionals $537,141
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $523,313
Health Services/HMOs $360,200
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $330,22

It's harder to see why Kennedy is so gung ho on preserving the parasitical health care industries except for a big chunk from big PhRMA. http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cycle=2008&cid=n00000308


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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 01:00 AM
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24. Yeah, when you're indebted to the tune of $2.3 Million to the health care industry, you do what they
want.

Jeebus H. Christ on a trailer hitch, does our political system ever suck.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:48 PM
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3. kick
:kick:
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:49 PM
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4. We need a Cure for Health Care,
See the acceptable standards of health care in East Tennessee, where profit care comes ahead of patient care. http://www.wisecountyissues.com Nothing at all like what they are advertising.........
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:12 PM
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5. "Competition among the foxes does not benefit the chickens"
VERY well put.

Sending this to a few single payer skeptics in my circle.
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 04:37 PM
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8. K and R. THANK YOU.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 04:43 PM
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9. Mandatory For Profit Health Insurance in NOT Health Care.
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 04:44 PM by bvar22
It IS a Republican Scam (RomneyCare) to funnel taxpayer dollars into the pockets of the wealthiest CEOs in the World.

Every other developed country In The WORLD has it.
Single Payer is NOT too hard for America.
Don't settle for LESS.
Support a Democratic Health Care Plan.
HR 676

Expand MediCare to cover ALL Americans.


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:02 PM
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12. Apparently Senators Baucus and Kennedy are opposing single payer very
adamantly. Please see my post above as to why I think this is so. These are Democrats who have been given a lot of campaign contributions from those industries who would stand to lose their health care candy store if HR 676 is passed.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:49 PM
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14. Baucus doesn't surprise me....
Baucus is from the Republican wing of the Party, but Kennedy is a mystery. :shrug:

The PEOPLE (Democrats & Republicans) overwhelmingly support it.

The Health Care providers support it.

The only block is in Washington....OUR representatives and THEIR friends in the Insurance Industry.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:27 PM
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20. That's odd. Kennedy used to speak about Medicare For All
A Democratic Blueprint for America's Future
by US Senator Ted Kennedy
An Address by Senator Edward M. Kennedy at the National Press Club
January 12, 2005

(snip)

Sadly, in America today, the miracles of modern medicine are too often the province only of the wealthy. We need a new guarantee for the years ahead that the cost of these life-saving treatments and cures will not be beyond the reach of the vast majority of the American people.

An essential part of our progressive vision is an America where no citizen of any age fears the cost of health care, and no employer refuses to create new jobs or cuts back on current jobs because of the high cost of providing health insurance.

The answer is Medicare, whose 40th birthday we will celebrate in July. I propose that as a 40th birthday gift to the American people, we expand Medicare over the next decade to cover every citizen - from birth to the end of life.

It's no secret that America is still dearly in love with Medicare. Administrative costs are low. Patients' satisfaction is high. Unlike with many private insurers, they can still choose their doctor and their hospital.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0112-37.htm


:shrug:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:07 AM
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29. I found it odd too, but he backed the Massachusetts plan, which is failing,
that Mittens brought to that state. Maybe he feels that since he bought it, he's going to stick with it. Of course as a multi-millionaire, he doesn't have to worry about how he's going to afford the premiums, co-pays and deductibles on his insurance. He doesn't have to worry about his end stage care.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 02:10 PM
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32. Yeah. Multi-millionaires legislating OUR health care
There's something wrong with that picture.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:11 PM
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15. Another thread in editorials...
FWIW

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=429903&mesg_id=429903

"...Last week, Conyers attended a Congressional Black Caucus meeting with President Obama at the White House.

During the meeting, Congressman Conyers, sponsor of the single payer bill in the House (HR 676), asked President Obama for an invite to the President’s Marchy 5 health care summit at the White House.

Conyers said he would bring along with him two doctors – Dr. Marcia Angell and Dr. Quentin Young – to represent the majority of physicians in the United States who favor single payer.

Obama would have none of it.

This week, by e-mail, Conyers heard back from the White House – no invite..."


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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:22 PM
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19. Obama won't have none of it? What's he afraid of, the truth?
It seems to me that those two doctors especially Dr. Quentin Young, who is thoroughly versed in single payer universal health care, should have a seat at any meeting about a government health plan and should be able to present their findings and their studies to a health care summit. If they aren't allowed to attend then neither should the insurance companies be allowed to attend.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:43 PM
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22. Maybe, or the insurance companies...
there were never ANY follow up questions during the debates when Kucinich brought up the single payer option.

If insurance companies are invited then doctors for a single payer system should also have a seat at the table, to think they will not even be allowed to voice their opionions tells us who has the power.

They could at least pretend.

:(



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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:30 PM
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16. Too bad Obama refuses to even consider it.
He, and all the other politicians who are so adamantly against single payer, really need to present their case. I really want to know WHY they think for-profit health care is acceptable. In my opinion, this is Obama's biggest flaw.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:34 PM
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17. Call The White House (202) 456-1414 or (202) 456-1111....
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/3/3/111940/4558/728/704063

"..On Thursday, March 5, 2009, the White House will host a summit on how to
reform the healthcare system.

The 120 invited guests include lobbyists for various interest groups
including the private-for-profit insurance industry (AHIP), some members
of Congress including Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus who has already
ruled single payer "off the table," and various others concerned with
healthcare.

No single payer advocates have been invited to attend.

Please urge President Obama to fulfill his promise for transparency and
openness in government

Call The White House (202) 456-1414 or (202) 456-1111.

Tell them to let single payer into the White House Summit on healthcare...


Would you also please sign the MoveOn petition. MoveOn wants to deliver this to The White House by Thursday.

UPDATE:

There were several comments asking whether John Conyers, the father of single payer and HR 676 would be at the White House Summit. I made some inquiries and have the following information.

I just received a phone call from a source who wishes not to be identified at this time. He advised that Chairman Conyers was not invited to the White House Healthcare Summit. I was also told that Dr. Quentin Young and Dr. Marcia Angell were proposed as participants, but are also not attending.

You are obviously free to draw your own conclusions."








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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:32 PM
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21. Demand Single-Payer March 5, 10, 11th
See this thread for all the details...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5180193&mesg_id=5180193

"If you want everyone in the United States to have health coverage simply paid for by the government for less money than we spend now, eliminating all health insurance companies, but allowing you to choose any private doctor or hospital of your choice, and boosting the economy with a net gain of 2.6 million jobs ...

and if you can be near a telephone or be in Washington, D.C., on March 5th, 10th, or 11th, keep reading.

Here's an announcement of the March 5th event from Physicians for a National Health Program:

White Coats To Crowd the White House Gate Thursday
March 5, 12pm -1pm The White House Lafayette Park, Washington, DC

Doctors criticize exclusion of single-payer advocates from summit

President Obama is holding a Healthcare Summit on Thursday, March 5th. Over 120 are expected to be in attendance, including representatives from Americas Health Insurance Plans, the largest group of private health insurance lobbyists...



...Guess Who Is Invited to the White House.

On March 5th, for the White House Health Summit, the Obama team has invited members of AHIP - the organization of health insurance lobbyists. However, despite repeated requests to be included, even from Chairman John Conyers himself, the word is that no single-payer representatives will be included..."



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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:49 PM
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23. Single Payer? Is that when only one guy can afford insurance and is paying billions for coverage?
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 01:22 AM
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25. K & R .....If it was a Republican president hiring an advisor who wants to PRIVATIZE MEDICARE . . .
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 05:47 AM
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27. Answer this for me
The opponents of "medicare for all" say that it will break the system and is too expensive to cover all the new people.

It seems to me if you had younger, and therefore statistically healthier people pay into the system that there would be a much larger group of people who don't use as much of the health services. My unmarried daughter is 24. She would probably go to the doctor twice a year, if that.
It seems to me that you would actually have a better balance sheet.

Doesn't that seem logical?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:01 AM
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28. Yes, it is logical because it spreads the risk but apparently we have another
corporate administration, whose idea of a balance sheet, is to spread taxpayers money to corporations so that profits can be delivered to Wall Street at the expense of those taxpayers. Insurers in particular are nothing but middle men who skim off profits leaving a weak structure behind for actual health care.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:37 AM
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30. Kick
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:34 PM
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31. Kick.

Get the facts on single-payer healthcare.


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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 10:13 PM
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33. Keep the pressure up!
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