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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 04:16 AM
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A Plea to President Obama - Give Gay people asylum who'll be put to death if deported
As a world power, and for a much needed change from the Bush Administration's unsympathetic stance on Gay rights, it'd be nice for the USA to grant asylum to people being deported from any country back to a country that will execute them for the amazing crime of being Gay. It's probably too late to help the Iraqi man who the UK is returning today. In the future it'd be nice to see the USA be a country that Gay people who are from one of the nine murderous countries below, could see as a beacon of hope in a world of hate, instead of one who's not even in the Top 10 best nations for civil rights for all.


It is illegal in 79 countries to be Gay - which is no different than being "illegal" because you're Caucasian, Asian, Straight, Female, etc.

ORANGE Large penalty

CLAY Life in prison

BROWN Death penalty --- Iran, Iraq, Mauritania, Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.

LBN article on the Iraqi who is Gay and being deported http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3721806

Where I'll send my comment later today, either input here, or please write your own - http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 04:59 AM
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 05:19 AM
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2. thanks for the post, did you also write the president?
I didn't make the color scheme, but the colors that India and surrounding countries are is not brown it's reddish-orange I guess, so they're called clay.

The focus here is on stopping the deaths of Gay people, but I'm taking it that the blue is probably a good thing if the colors of Fall are mentioned as bad - here's a link for you to go look at after you write the President - thanks for your interest!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
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Eryemil Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 05:37 AM
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3. This HAS to be a joke right?
"It's obvious that a gay person wrote this. Straight people never identify "clay" as a color."

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 09:16 AM
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 09:49 AM
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7. Technically "terra cotta" is a substance too.
Edited on Wed Feb-04-09 09:57 AM by Maven
In fact, it's a type of CLAY. It just happens to be the sort of coral-orange color that we associate with it (due to its iron oxide content), hence the term has come to denote the color itself.

When most non-obnoxious people think of the word "clay," their minds conjure a grey-brown colored substance and the word is commonly used by those not entirely devoid of culture or common sense to denote that color.

Your pointless, contrived and clueless ("gender preference?") post was unnecessary and you don't necessarily need to share every pointless thought that wanders through your "primary colors only" straight-and-narrow brain.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:02 AM
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:07 AM
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10. You Sir...
Win the Dumbest (and possibly the most offensive) Post of the day!! Good Job.

You added "(and yes, a lot of them are)" - side note, horrible grammar - almost seems as though you think people would be surprised by this or you are surprised.

Either way...really weak post. Perhaps you were looking to be funny and failed. It happens to me all the time.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:19 AM
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14. He must be a repeat offender. I have him on ignore already. n/t
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:15 AM
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11. Why are you being an ass about something that really has no bearing on the point being made?
:shrug:

The thing I found the most newsworthy in this OP is that India apparently has significant laws against being gay. I always thought of India as a fairly enlightened place and did not know that fact - so yes I learned something.

And you give your own self away as an engineer of some sort if you are going to start referring to colors using the Pantone color system. How many people do you know who say I'd like to paint this room "Pantone 168"?

:crazy:
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 09:18 AM
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5. WTF?
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:29 AM
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16. Burnt Umber and Raw Sienna is the correct term for artists
Edited on Wed Feb-04-09 10:32 AM by lunatica
gay or not
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 11:27 AM
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21. What about Clay Aiken?
I'm jus' sayin'

:P

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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 09:45 AM
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6. K & R.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 09:56 AM
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8. No different than being "illegal" because you're Caucasian, Asian, Straight, Female
I'm sure most people could identify a Caucasian, Asian, or Female, but how do you identify a straight or gay person to charge them with a crime?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:17 AM
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12. you hear rumors and burst into their houses at find them having sex, then hang them
also some of us are clearly gay and it would be hard for someone to miss it. following said person around, sooner or later they would have sex, sooner or later you could hang them.

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:18 AM
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13. In Nigeria, it's not even necessary to have sex.
Speaking publicly in favor of gay people or even being seen in public with a gay person is enough to get you five years in the can, under a law being debated in that country's parliament.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:27 AM
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15. Thank you Divine! Done and K&R
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 05:20 PM
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24. thanks to you, lunatica. our comments will be sent to the White House this evening. eom
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:31 AM
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17. Great idea! Excellent post.
This is truly a matter of life and death. To deport these people to those countries is a death sentence and we should grant them asylum ASAP.


K&R

Julie
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:47 AM
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18. I'm with you, but you shouldn't have to plea for something that is morally right.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:56 AM
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19. If you don't know who fuels the flames in Africa read on: Gift to Africa: Rick Warren
Obama’s First Gift to Africa: Rick Warren

Source: McGill Global Aids Coalition
By: KELLY JEAN COGSWELL
01/11/2009

http://treatthepeople.com/article/obamas-first-gift-to-africa-rick-warren/

If you want to foster AIDS and kill queers in Africa, Rick Warren’s the man for you. While Warren’s characterization of queers (and Jews and Muslims) as godless perverts fuels bigotry in the US, the real effects of inviting Warren to preside over Obama’s inauguration will be felt in sub-Saharan Africa.

He has missions all over the place, and he’s rolling in dough and influence built on the best P.R. campaign I’ve ever seen. He hobnobs with Bono and Melissa Etheridge while liberal journalists regurgitate his press releases, crowning him a moderate evangelical and touting his AIDS campaign, which is little but a thinly veiled mask for his proselytizing work. The last thing he needs is more power.

In case you actually care, his campaign for AIDS prevention, in a region decimated by the disease, sneers at condoms, needle exchange, and sex education. He claims all those efforts merely slow the spread of AIDS, while his plan can stop it flat. The secret - abstinence before marriage, religious conversion, and, not included on his website, that perennial favorite, queer-baiting.

One of his closest allies in Uganda in his so-called fight against AIDS is Martin Ssempa, an evangelical preacher who blames queers for the disease, makes a show of burning condoms, and this spring organized a rally with the theme “A Call for Action on Behalf of the Victims of Homosexuality,” where he spent most of his time railing against queers.

As far as treatment goes, Ssempsa offers faith healing in his Pentecostal services if only victims believe enough and make a nice donation. In general, the bulk of his anti-AIDS activism seems to be legal battles to ensure that homosexuality remains illegal and the media continues to portray queers as sexual predators.

He’s getting it done. Homosexuality is still illegal, and queers face increasing harassment and violence from everyone from the government to their next-door neighbors. Newspapers sometimes print lists of people suspected of being lesbian or gay, opening them up to job loss and physical violence. Several activists are arrested every year.

Though a Ugandan judge recently ruled in favor of LGBT activists protesting an illegal raid in 2005, it’s more likely in that nation that you’ll get government officials like Deputy Attorney General Fred Ruhinde and Minister of Ethics and Integrity Nsaba Butoro, who in 2007 actually joined a coalition of conservative Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, and Bahai congregations, “the Interfaith Coalition Against Homosexuality,” calling for the arrest, deportation, and even murder of gays and lesbians.

And where’s the sanctified Rick Warren in this delightful hate fest? Where’s the man the New Yorker’s Hendrik Herzberg complacently characterized as “much, much less of a jerk than, say, Pat Robertson or James Dobson” and whose inclusion in the inauguration he actually applauded as “another of Obama’s brilliant chess moves”?

Well… when the Ugandan Anglican archbishop, Henry Orombi, announced his aim to “purify” the Anglican Church by driving out gay and lesbian Christians and their supporters, Warren got right on board. When the Ugandan Church announced its boycott of the global Anglican conference in March last year, Warren told the press, “The Church of England is wrong and I support the Church of Uganda on the boycott.” Warren further declared that homosexuality is not a natural way of life and thus not a human right. “We shall not tolerate this aspect at all.”

Terrible for queers, Warren and his pals are almost worse for AIDS. Uganda’s HIV infection rate, which had dipped from its 1996 height, has been climbing back up in recent times. The problem? Advocates like Warren and Ssempa dumping sex education and condom promotion in favor of abstinence-only programs, which study after study show actually increase risky sex.

Homophobia and HIV/AIDS go together in Nigeria, too, where thanks to people like Rick Warren, UNAIDS estimates that only 18 percent of women and 21 percent of men between the ages of 15 and 24 correctly identify ways to prevent HIV. After South Africa, Nigeria has the second largest number of people living with HIV in Africa.

The most vulnerable of all are gay men. Warren has supported figures like the archbishop of Nigeria, Peter Akinola, who in 2006 and 2007 campaigned ferociously for anti-gay legislation which stipulated five years’ imprisonment to anyone who had anything to do with a same-sex marriage ceremony, participated in gay organizing, or had anything to do with anything gay of any kind “directly or indirectly in public and in private.”

Hate-mongering may have become a habit for Akinola. In 2005, he was implicated in the massacre of more than 650 Muslims by a Christian mob tied to the Christian Association of Nigeria. He was president of the group at the time. For all this, Akinola earned praise from Warren in an April 2006 Time Magazine article lionizing him as a defender of the faith, a “Nelson Mandela”, and “a model for Christians around the world.”


...........

There is genocide of GLBT happening in Africa and other places around the world and this should be something that is spoken more of.

If you don't think this is genocide read this:

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10007043

The term "genocide" did not exist before 1944. It is a very specific term, referring to violent crimes committed against groups with the intent to destroy the existence of the group. Human rights, as laid out in the U.S. Bill of Rights or the 1948 United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, concern the rights of individuals.

.....

Thank you for posting this very relevant issue and we should all be totally against it if we are true progressives!
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 11:26 AM
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20. Why death? Why not just persecution?
Edited on Wed Feb-04-09 11:26 AM by Cronus Protagonist
What's being proposed here is you're safe if you would be killed in your home country, but if they'll just cut off your dick, or prevent you from working, that's peachy keen. I would extend that to any form of persecution that involves a person's health, wealth, home or employment damage or prevention.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 11:29 AM
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22. I wonder if that isn't already the case
Anyone know the asylum case law?

What is the difference between light blue and dark blue?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 05:07 PM
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23. Sending our comments to whitehouse.gov in a few hours
light blue is civil unions, dark blue is marriage rights
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 05:22 PM
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25. I think we especially have a moral imperitive to do this if the refugees are from Iraq
Homosexuality wasn't a death sentence under Saddam Hussein and in fact during most of his regime it was completely legal. But ever since we decided to "liberate" the Iraqi people that has changed. If we do not attempt to correct this error by taking in the refugees then we are enablers of murder.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 05:27 PM
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26. I will put your comment
at the top of the comments when I send them to the whitehouse.gov site, with the link to this - when the issue is MURDER and the US is involved in it - then we need action. I'll never stop saying that and hopefully ours and other people's calls will be heard by the president at some point.
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