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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:24 PM
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Hey Progressives - Take a LONG look in the mirror, if you are okay with Sanjay Gupta
According to this video below from MSNBC with Keith Olbermann, Dr Gupta will have 'special' duties selling Obama's SUCK ASS
health care plan

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x256535

You want to know who Obama really stands with? It isn't the American people. It is the health insurance industry. The very people who are making a universal single payer system IMPOSSIBLE. Gupta is the person who LIED on CNN and cast dispersion on Micheal Moore's FACTS as presented in Sicko. And, he is now Obama's spokesperson.

I live in MA, and we are the first state with mandated health insurance law. The only problem is that it is financially UNSUSTAINABLE. The MA program will be insolvent in two years. Here is a link to how big insurance is influencing MA health insurance law and driving the prices UP:

http://www.boston.com/news/specials/healthcare_spotlight/

This is one of the biggest moral issues of our time. To put it bluntly, Obama's plan will not work. You must take out the profiteering and mandate HEALTH CARE.

Watch Sicko and tell me differently.

Obama's plan is to mandate participation into a corrupt health care system. This is the insurance companies wet dream.

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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:28 PM
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As I've said many times
Obama doesn't have a health CARE plan. He has a health INSURANCE plan - and a bad one at that.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:28 PM
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1. Sorry, the primaries are over.
Obama won. Deal with it.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:31 PM
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5. What does this have to do with primaries? Or 'deal with it'?
I'd like to know what's happening, and it doesn't help me to be informed to hear 'get over it' posts.

If Obama's ok in this, I'm sure it will get pointed out.

This is nothing against you, I would just like to hear info and not flame. Maybe I'm wrong.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:37 PM
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12. The words "he won" and "deal with it"
sound, I'm sorry, very like what we've had to put up with for the past 8 years. I disagree. We are not a functional democracy unless we participate.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:03 PM
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28. The OP states:
"Obama's SUCK ASS health care plan"

"You want to know who Obama really stands with? It isn't the American people. It is the health insurance industry."

"To put it bluntly, Obama's plan will not work."

So what's the point of these comments, other than to bitch and whine?? Throwing a tantrum on a message board about Obama's health care plan two weeks before he is to be sworn in is NOT going to change a damn thing.

Sounds to me like some people are still in primary mode with the intent of tearing Obama down. Are we going to at least try to support our incoming Democratic President or spend all our time bashing him? If all we are going to do is whine about him, maybe we should change the name of this site to Free Republic.

Seriously, if someone thinks "Obama {doesn't} stand with...the American people" and that his health care plan "sucks ass," why are they here, other than to stir up trouble?
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:09 PM
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35. The OP has been here a long time. Open discussion used to be more encouraged here
It's only in the last year that the tone has become more threatening. Perhaps you don't remember how it was. I agree that the language could be a little less incendiary, but it's never been a pre-requisite here that we blindly endorse anything the Democratic leadership does. During the campaign season, there were, or course, rules in place that this site was behind the Democratic candidate. Now that the elections are over, some people are trying to go back to the model that we can have an effect towards moving the leadership to the left.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 09:00 PM
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76. Whew. thank you for that.
At times I end up thinking that my memories of that "other DU" are embedded memories from an alternate reality.

But it really did once exist, a DU wherein people pushed the agenda for a more perfect, people-oriented society.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:20 PM
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40. What's your point?
>>>>Seriously, if someone thinks "Obama {doesn't} stand with...the American people" and that his health care plan "sucks ass," why are they here, other than to stir up trouble?>>>>

Replace "Obama" in your statement with, oh, let's say, Reid, Pelosi, Clinton, Kennedy, etc. Should criticism of Democratic politicians, in general, be off-limits on DU, in your view? Obama is an elected official, just as the others I listed are, and this is a political discussion board, not an Obama fansite.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:32 PM
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47. There's a difference between
criticizing and whining.

How about some constructive criticism for a change? Instead of the constant whines of "Obama sucks" or "I hate Harry Reid" or "fuck Nancy Pelosi," how about proposing some solutions instead?

I have no problem with constructive criticism, but this constant whining is getting on my nerves!
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:50 PM
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18. Requested Info:
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #18
26. thank you.
that is constructive.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:03 PM
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29. You're welcome! n/t
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 06:26 AM
Response to Reply #1
79. Teh primaries have NOTHING to do with a sucky health care plan.
Get over THAT.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:22 AM
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89. Ahh, another one of the "sit down and shut up" crowd that's coming into vogue around here
God forbid we criticize a Democrat, even when he's doing something that is inherently against our principles.

What, can't stand free wheeling discussion? Can't stand criticism of your precious? Well too damn bad, he will be criticized and if you can't deal with it, perhaps you need to find a different place to play.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:29 PM
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2. I wasn't aware of this. I will follow the thread with interest.
Thanks for posting. K & R.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:47 PM
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15. Barack Obama's Healthcare Plan
Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All

Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress. The Obama plan will have the following features:

Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.

Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care.

Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles.

Subsidies. Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.

Simplified paperwork and reined in health costs.

Easy enrollment. The new public plan will be simple to enroll in and provide ready access to coverage.

Portability and choice. Participants in the new public plan and the National Health Insurance Exchange (see below) will be able to move from job to job without changing or jeopardizing their health care coverage.

Quality and efficiency. Participating insurance companies in the new public program will be required to report data to ensure that standards for quality, health information technology and administration are being met.

National Health Insurance Exchange: The Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public.

Employer Contribution: Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small employers that meet certain revenue thresholds will be exempt.

Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage. Obama will expand the number of options for young adults to get coverage, including allowing young people up to age 25 to continue coverage through their parents' plans.

Expansion Of Medicaid and SCHIP: Obama will expand eligibility for the Medicaid and SCHIP programs and ensure that these programs continue to serve their critical safety net function.

Flexibility for State Plans: Due to federal inaction, some states have taken the lead in health care reform. The Obama plan builds on these efforts and does not replace what states are doing. States can continue to experiment, provided they meet the minimum standards of the national plan.

Lower Costs by Modernizing The U.S. Health Care System

Reducing Costs of Catastrophic Illnesses for Employers and Their Employees: Catastrophic health expenditures account for a high percentage of medical expenses for private insurers. The Obama plan would reimburse employer health plans for a portion of the catastrophic costs they incur above a threshold if they guarantee such savings are used to reduce the cost of workers' premiums.

Helping Patients:

Support disease management programs. Seventy five percent of total health care dollars are spent on patients with one or more chronic conditions, such as diabetes, heart disease and high blood pressure. Obama will require that providers that participate in the new public plan, Medicare or the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) utilize proven disease management programs. This will improve quality of care, give doctors better information and lower costs.

Coordinate and integrate care. Over 133 million Americans have at least one chronic disease and these chronic conditions cost a staggering $1.7 trillion yearly. Obama will support implementation of programs and encourage team care that will improve coordination and integration of care of those with chronic conditions.

Require full transparency about quality and costs. Obama will require hospitals and providers to collect and publicly report measures of health care costs and quality, including data on preventable medical errors, nurse staffing ratios, hospital-acquired infections, and disparities in care. Health plans will also be required to disclose the percentage of premiums that go to patient care as opposed to administrative costs.

Ensuring Providers Deliver Quality Care:

Promote patient safety. Obama will require providers to report preventable medical errors and support hospital and physician practice improvement to prevent future occurrences.

Align incentives for excellence. Both public and private insurers tend to pay providers based on the volume of services provided, rather than the quality or effectiveness of care. Providers who see patients enrolled in the new public plan, the National Health Insurance Exchange, Medicare and FEHBP will be rewarded for achieving performance thresholds on outcome measures.

Comparative effectiveness research. Obama will establish an independent institute to guide reviews and research on comparative effectiveness, so that Americans and their doctors will have the accurate and objective information they need to make the best decisions for their health and well-being.

Tackle disparities in health care. Obama will tackle the root causes of health disparities by addressing differences in access to health coverage and promoting prevention and public health, both of which play a major role in addressing disparities. He will also challenge the medical system to eliminate inequities in health care through quality measurement and reporting, implementation of effective interventions such as patient navigation programs, and diversification of the health workforce.

Insurance reform. Obama will strengthen antitrust laws to prevent insurers from overcharging physicians for their malpractice insurance and will promote new models for addressing errors that improve patient safety, strengthen the doctor-patient relationship and reduce the need for malpractice suits.

Lowering Costs Through Investment in Electronic Health Information Technology Systems: Most medical records are still stored on paper, which makes it hard to coordinate care, measure quality or reduce medical errors and which costs twice as much as electronic claims. Obama will invest $10 billion a year over the next five years to move the U.S. health care system to broad adoption of standards-based electronic health information systems, including electronic health records, and will phase in requirements for full implementation of health IT. Obama will ensure that patients' privacy is protected.

Lowering Costs by Increasing Competition in the Insurance and Drug Markets: The insurance business today is dominated by a small group of large companies that has been gobbling up their rivals. There have been over 400 health care mergers in the last 10 years, and just two companies dominate a full third of the national market. These changes were supposed to make the industry more efficient, but instead premiums have skyrocketed by over 87 percent.

Barack Obama will prevent companies from abusing their monopoly power through unjustified price increases. His plan will force insurers to pay out a reasonable share of their premiums for patient care instead of keeping exorbitant amounts for profits and administration. His new National Health Exchange will help increase competition by insurers.

Lower prescription drug costs. The second-fastest growing type of health expenses is prescription drugs. Pharmaceutical companies are selling the exact same drugs in Europe and Canada but charging Americans more than double the price. Obama will allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S. Obama will also repeal the ban that prevents the government from negotiating with drug companies, which could result in savings as high as $30 billion. Finally, Obama will work to increase the use of generic drugs in Medicare, Medicaid, and FEHBP and prohibit big name drug companies from keeping generics out of markets.

Fight for New Initiatives

Advance the Biomedical Research Field: As a result of biomedical research the prevention, early detection and treatment of diseases such as cancer and heart disease is better today than any other time in history. Barack Obama has consistently supported funding for the national institutes of health and the national science foundation. Obama strongly supports investments in biomedical research, as well as medical education and training in health-related fields, because it provides the foundation for new therapies and diagnostics. Obama has been a champion of research in cancer, mental health, health disparities, global health, women and children's health, and veterans' health. As president, Obama will strengthen funding for biomedical research, and better improve the efficiency of that research by improving coordination both within government and across government/private/non-profit partnerships. An Obama administration will ensure that we translate scientific progress into improved approaches to disease prevention, early detection and therapy that is available for all Americans.

Fight AIDS Worldwide. There are 40 million people across the planet infected with HIV/AIDS. As president, Obama will continue to be a global leader in the fight against AIDS. Obama believes in working across party lines to combat this epidemic and recently joined Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) at a large California evangelical church to promote greater investment in the global AIDS battle.

Support Americans with Disabilities: As a former civil rights lawyer, Barack Obama knows firsthand the importance of strong protections for minority communities in our society. Obama is committed to strengthening and better enforcing the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) so that future generations of Americans with disabilities have equal rights and opportunities. Obama believes we must restore the original legislative intent of the ADA in the wake of court decisions that have restricted the interpretation of this landmark legislation.

Barack Obama is also committed to ensuring that disabled Americans receive Medicaid and Medicare benefits in a low-cost, effective and timely manner. Recognizing that many individuals with disabilities rely on Medicare, Obama worked with Senator Ken Salazar (D-CO) to urge the department of health and human services to provide clear and reliable information on the Medicare prescription drug benefit and to ensure that the Medicare recipients were protected from fraudulent claims by marketers and drug plan agents.

Improve Mental Health Care. Mental illness affects approximately one in five American families. The National Alliance on Mental Illness estimates that untreated mental illnesses cost the U.S. more than $100 billion per year. As president, Obama will support mental health parity so that coverage for serious mental illnesses are provided on the same terms and conditions as other illnesses and diseases.

Protect Our Children from Lead Poisoning. More than 430,000 American children have dangerously high levels of lead in their blood. Lead can cause irreversible brain damage, learning disabilities, behavioral problems, and, at very high levels, seizures, coma and death. As president, Obama will protect children from lead poisoning by requiring that child care facilities be lead-safe within five years.

Reduce Risks of Mercury Pollution. More than five million women of childbearing age have high levels of toxic mercury in their blood, and approximately 630,000 newborns are born at risk every year. Barack Obama has a plan to significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.

Support Americans with Autism. More than one million Americans have autism, a complex neurobiological condition that has a range of impacts on thinking, feeling, language, and the ability to relate to others. As diagnostic criteria broaden and awareness increases, more cases of autism have been recognized across the country. Barack Obama believes that we can do more to help autistic Americans and their families understand and live with autism. He has been a strong supporter of more than $1 billion in federal funding for autism research on the root causes and treatments, and he believes that we should increase funding for the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act to truly ensure that no child is left behind.

More than anything, autism remains a profound mystery with a broad spectrum of effects on autistic individuals, their families, loved ones, the community, and education and health care systems. Obama believes that the government and our communities should work together to provide a helping hand to autistic individuals and their families.

Barack Obama's Record

Health Insurance: In 2003, Barack Obama sponsored and passed legislation that expanded health care coverage to 70,000 kids and 84,000 adults. In the U.S. Senate, Obama cosponsored the Healthy Kids Act of 2007 and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2007 to ensure that more American children have affordable health care coverage.

Women's Health: Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services.


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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:55 PM
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55. We HAVE health insurance competition already, and it SUCKS!
They compete to insure the healthy, exclude the sick, and deny claims wherever possible. Any plan that leaves them in the game is unsustainable. Fuck insurance--we want health CARE! Why in fucking HELL would anybody want smaller companies with their more fragmented risk pools and provider networks? These are the jackasses who interfere with continuity of care and deny us our choice of providers.

Disease management programs are ineffective and wasteful.

http://www.pnhp.org/dm.pdf

“Management of chronic disease is best accomplished by physicians and other health professionals working closely with patients in primary care settings,” said Dr. Geyman. “Corporate disease management programs are contradictory to this relationship. How can a person in a distant commercial call center recommend the best diabetes drugs to a frail Medicare patient she has no relationship with, especially since such patients typically have several chronic diseases, not just one?”

Moreover, some physicians have reported adverse problems from corporate DM vendors, which sort through patients’ insurance claims data looking for potential customers. Three patients of Dr. Deborah Richter, a family physician in Vermont, were contacted by DM firms and mistakenly told they had diseases they didn’t have.

“These DM companies are so focused on making a profit that they will put anyone with a symptom on their list. Two of my patients received letters erroneously telling them they had chronic diseases, scaring the daylights out of them. Another was harassed on a weekly basis by a DM company “nurse” about a condition she didn’t have. She was afraid to come see me because she thought I had sent this person.”

Despite the lack of evidence as to DM programs’ ability to control costs and problems associated with them, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and Barack Obama have all endorsed DM programs as part of their health reform plan. In addition, states such as Illinois, Pennsylvania and Vermont have all proposed taking up DM programs.

Disease management’ is only the latest in a series of panaceas that have been offered as a way to avoid facing the real problems in our health system: private insurance companies.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:30 PM
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3. I'm not okay with Sanjay Gupta. For one thing
I have an issue with the so-called financial hardship he'll supposedly sustain. I can't find exact figures for the Surgeon General's salary, though I did find one figure that put it at between $11,500 and $14,000 per month. That may not be what he's used to making, and DC is an expensive area, but it's a generous enough figure. He should have some money saved from his lucrative years at CNN, and presumably, his pregnant wife will be able to take advantage of the good health plan administration officials get.

If this is hardship to him, then I seriously question his ability to understand the health care challenges most of us face - including having to defer or forego care in order to pay bills on salaries that are way less than $11,500 per month.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:46 PM
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14. While hardly a "hardship"
you do realize that any practicing neurosurgeon (which he still is, even while doing the CNN gig) makes a great deal more than $14K a month ($168K a year).

Yeah, he probably can't really relate to folks making $36K a year, but that's also true of just about any doctor in the nation. Not to mention most politicians who have national recognition.

I'm not wild about the pick, and I remember the Michael Moore dust up well.

But, like most of Obama's picks... I'm taking a wait-and-hope attitude.

It's got to be better than Bush... but that's a very very low bar.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:54 PM
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23. Yes, of course I realize that. He's a professor too.
He makes a lot of money. Government posts pay less, though of course, after you leave the government, you can then command large fees later based on your government service. But I think it makes it quite clear (as did his debate over "Sicko") that he doesn't get the pain a lot of people are feeling. I watched the debate with Michael Moore. I know that Moore is a filmmaker, who goes for effect and conflates things to make a point. But it was completely unnecessary for Gupta to pick him apart over a few minor things. Although he's (Gupta) claimed later that he supports universal health care (or better health care for all) it sure wasn't evident in that interview. He did harm to Michael Moore's premise by giving fodder to Big Pharma and the Moore haters. I think he's out of touch.

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:04 PM
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30. question
Why can we not wait and hope and raise questions?

Why is "wait and hope" always used as a response to any and all questions anyone raises?

Why can we not speak out, and then wait and hope that the politicians will listen to us and respond?

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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:48 PM
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50. Raise all the questions you want.
I have been.

But I'm also withholding judgment until his cabinet has been confirmed and has been on the job for a week or two. Or even a month or two.

Whenever I've been hired by someone, that's the least they can do for me, so I will extend the same respect to Obama.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:15 PM
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64. what would "judgment" mean?
I understand that many are saying they are withholding judgment. I don't understand what that means, though.

Political office is not really a "job" in the sense you are using the word, I don't think. Politicians are "working" whenever they are speaking about politics - in office, out of office.

Why would we wait "until his cabinet has been confirmed and has been on the job for a week or two. Or even a month or two." Wait for what? Wait before we do what?

Politics is an ongoing and never ending process of analysis and discussion and debate. How could we make voting decisions if we waited to pass judgment on politicians until after they were "on the job?"
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:30 PM
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4. Gupta cast asparugus!!!
:rofl:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:51 PM
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22. Doh, you beat me to it. n/t
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:04 PM
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59. But it failed!
Gupta has fainted!
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 07:03 AM
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81. No, he cast dispersion!
According to OP.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:31 PM
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6. Obama doesn't even have a health care plan yet
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:07 PM
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32. Really?
BARACK OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE PLAN

Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All

Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress. The Obama plan will have the following features:

Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.

Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care.

Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles.

Subsidies. Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.

Simplified paperwork and reined in health costs.

Easy enrollment. The new public plan will be simple to enroll in and provide ready access to coverage.

Portability and choice. Participants in the new public plan and the National Health Insurance Exchange (see below) will be able to move from job to job without changing or jeopardizing their health care coverage.

Quality and efficiency. Participating insurance companies in the new public program will be required to report data to ensure that standards for quality, health information technology and administration are being met.

National Health Insurance Exchange: The Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public.

Employer Contribution: Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small employers that meet certain revenue thresholds will be exempt.

Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage. Obama will expand the number of options for young adults to get coverage, including allowing young people up to age 25 to continue coverage through their parents' plans.

Expansion Of Medicaid and SCHIP: Obama will expand eligibility for the Medicaid and SCHIP programs and ensure that these programs continue to serve their critical safety net function.

Flexibility for State Plans: Due to federal inaction, some states have taken the lead in health care reform. The Obama plan builds on these efforts and does not replace what states are doing. States can continue to experiment, provided they meet the minimum standards of the national plan.

Lower Costs by Modernizing The U.S. Health Care System

Reducing Costs of Catastrophic Illnesses for Employers and Their Employees: Catastrophic health expenditures account for a high percentage of medical expenses for private insurers. The Obama plan would reimburse employer health plans for a portion of the catastrophic costs they incur above a threshold if they guarantee such savings are used to reduce the cost of workers' premiums.

Helping Patients:

Support disease management programs. Seventy five percent of total health care dollars are spent on patients with one or more chronic conditions, such as diabetes, heart disease and high blood pressure. Obama will require that providers that participate in the new public plan, Medicare or the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) utilize proven disease management programs. This will improve quality of care, give doctors better information and lower costs.

Coordinate and integrate care. Over 133 million Americans have at least one chronic disease and these chronic conditions cost a staggering $1.7 trillion yearly. Obama will support implementation of programs and encourage team care that will improve coordination and integration of care of those with chronic conditions.

Require full transparency about quality and costs. Obama will require hospitals and providers to collect and publicly report measures of health care costs and quality, including data on preventable medical errors, nurse staffing ratios, hospital-acquired infections, and disparities in care. Health plans will also be required to disclose the percentage of premiums that go to patient care as opposed to administrative costs.

Ensuring Providers Deliver Quality Care:

Promote patient safety. Obama will require providers to report preventable medical errors and support hospital and physician practice improvement to prevent future occurrences.

Align incentives for excellence. Both public and private insurers tend to pay providers based on the volume of services provided, rather than the quality or effectiveness of care. Providers who see patients enrolled in the new public plan, the National Health Insurance Exchange, Medicare and FEHBP will be rewarded for achieving performance thresholds on outcome measures.

Comparative effectiveness research. Obama will establish an independent institute to guide reviews and research on comparative effectiveness, so that Americans and their doctors will have the accurate and objective information they need to make the best decisions for their health and well-being.

Tackle disparities in health care. Obama will tackle the root causes of health disparities by addressing differences in access to health coverage and promoting prevention and public health, both of which play a major role in addressing disparities. He will also challenge the medical system to eliminate inequities in health care through quality measurement and reporting, implementation of effective interventions such as patient navigation programs, and diversification of the health workforce.

Insurance reform. Obama will strengthen antitrust laws to prevent insurers from overcharging physicians for their malpractice insurance and will promote new models for addressing errors that improve patient safety, strengthen the doctor-patient relationship and reduce the need for malpractice suits.

Lowering Costs Through Investment in Electronic Health Information Technology Systems: Most medical records are still stored on paper, which makes it hard to coordinate care, measure quality or reduce medical errors and which costs twice as much as electronic claims. Obama will invest $10 billion a year over the next five years to move the U.S. health care system to broad adoption of standards-based electronic health information systems, including electronic health records, and will phase in requirements for full implementation of health IT. Obama will ensure that patients' privacy is protected.

Lowering Costs by Increasing Competition in the Insurance and Drug Markets: The insurance business today is dominated by a small group of large companies that has been gobbling up their rivals. There have been over 400 health care mergers in the last 10 years, and just two companies dominate a full third of the national market. These changes were supposed to make the industry more efficient, but instead premiums have skyrocketed by over 87 percent.

Barack Obama will prevent companies from abusing their monopoly power through unjustified price increases. His plan will force insurers to pay out a reasonable share of their premiums for patient care instead of keeping exorbitant amounts for profits and administration. His new National Health Exchange will help increase competition by insurers.

Lower prescription drug costs. The second-fastest growing type of health expenses is prescription drugs. Pharmaceutical companies are selling the exact same drugs in Europe and Canada but charging Americans more than double the price. Obama will allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S. Obama will also repeal the ban that prevents the government from negotiating with drug companies, which could result in savings as high as $30 billion. Finally, Obama will work to increase the use of generic drugs in Medicare, Medicaid, and FEHBP and prohibit big name drug companies from keeping generics out of markets.

Fight for New Initiatives

Advance the Biomedical Research Field: As a result of biomedical research the prevention, early detection and treatment of diseases such as cancer and heart disease is better today than any other time in history. Barack Obama has consistently supported funding for the national institutes of health and the national science foundation. Obama strongly supports investments in biomedical research, as well as medical education and training in health-related fields, because it provides the foundation for new therapies and diagnostics. Obama has been a champion of research in cancer, mental health, health disparities, global health, women and children's health, and veterans' health. As president, Obama will strengthen funding for biomedical research, and better improve the efficiency of that research by improving coordination both within government and across government/private/non-profit partnerships. An Obama administration will ensure that we translate scientific progress into improved approaches to disease prevention, early detection and therapy that is available for all Americans.

Fight AIDS Worldwide. There are 40 million people across the planet infected with HIV/AIDS. As president, Obama will continue to be a global leader in the fight against AIDS. Obama believes in working across party lines to combat this epidemic and recently joined Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) at a large California evangelical church to promote greater investment in the global AIDS battle.

Support Americans with Disabilities: As a former civil rights lawyer, Barack Obama knows firsthand the importance of strong protections for minority communities in our society. Obama is committed to strengthening and better enforcing the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) so that future generations of Americans with disabilities have equal rights and opportunities. Obama believes we must restore the original legislative intent of the ADA in the wake of court decisions that have restricted the interpretation of this landmark legislation.

Barack Obama is also committed to ensuring that disabled Americans receive Medicaid and Medicare benefits in a low-cost, effective and timely manner. Recognizing that many individuals with disabilities rely on Medicare, Obama worked with Senator Ken Salazar (D-CO) to urge the department of health and human services to provide clear and reliable information on the Medicare prescription drug benefit and to ensure that the Medicare recipients were protected from fraudulent claims by marketers and drug plan agents.

Improve Mental Health Care. Mental illness affects approximately one in five American families. The National Alliance on Mental Illness estimates that untreated mental illnesses cost the U.S. more than $100 billion per year. As president, Obama will support mental health parity so that coverage for serious mental illnesses are provided on the same terms and conditions as other illnesses and diseases.

Protect Our Children from Lead Poisoning. More than 430,000 American children have dangerously high levels of lead in their blood. Lead can cause irreversible brain damage, learning disabilities, behavioral problems, and, at very high levels, seizures, coma and death. As president, Obama will protect children from lead poisoning by requiring that child care facilities be lead-safe within five years.

Reduce Risks of Mercury Pollution. More than five million women of childbearing age have high levels of toxic mercury in their blood, and approximately 630,000 newborns are born at risk every year. Barack Obama has a plan to significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.

Support Americans with Autism. More than one million Americans have autism, a complex neurobiological condition that has a range of impacts on thinking, feeling, language, and the ability to relate to others. As diagnostic criteria broaden and awareness increases, more cases of autism have been recognized across the country. Barack Obama believes that we can do more to help autistic Americans and their families understand and live with autism. He has been a strong supporter of more than $1 billion in federal funding for autism research on the root causes and treatments, and he believes that we should increase funding for the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act to truly ensure that no child is left behind.

More than anything, autism remains a profound mystery with a broad spectrum of effects on autistic individuals, their families, loved ones, the community, and education and health care systems. Obama believes that the government and our communities should work together to provide a helping hand to autistic individuals and their families.

Barack Obama's Record

Health Insurance: In 2003, Barack Obama sponsored and passed legislation that expanded health care coverage to 70,000 kids and 84,000 adults. In the U.S. Senate, Obama cosponsored the Healthy Kids Act of 2007 and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2007 to ensure that more American children have affordable health care coverage.

Women's Health: Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services.


READ THE PLAN[/b>

Read the Frequently-Asked Q and A[/b>

Read the HIV/AIDS Agenda[/b>

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/healthcare/Fact_Sheet_Cancer_FINAL.pdf">Read the Cancer Agenda[/b>
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 11:13 AM
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90. I live on a limited income,
since my husbands heart attack. Which bill should I let go? Electric, propane, my car insurance, just so I can buy affordable health insurance? My husband is covered under VA, I have nothing.I went to the Dr. a year and a half ago,cost me $265.00. I'm still paying on that one visit.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:32 PM
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7. +3
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:33 PM
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8. Then your problem isn't with Gupta, it's with Obama.
It wouldn't matter who he chose as surgeon general. :eyes:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:54 PM
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24. In hindsight, his choice of Surgeon General is unsurprising.
Yes, MY problem is with Obama.

More people die in one month from our fucked up medical delivery system than die in a decade from hate crimes, terrorism and war combined. The only way to fix that is to show a willingness to interfere with insurance and big pharma's cashflow.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:34 PM
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9. "Obama's SUCK ASS health care plan"
Do you mean the one that was considered the best during the primary and GE or the one that will be developed based on it?

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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:49 PM
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17. Yea and the only one that stands a chance of getting through Congress and the Senate.
Ya know, come to think of it, I've changed my mind. I want McCain's Univeral Emergency Room Healthcare plan.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #9
48. It was far from the best in the primary - it was just better than Hillary's.
But not by much.

ANY plan that keeps the health insurance industry setting the prices for healthcare is a suck-ass plan.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:01 PM
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58. I think the one considered "Best" in the primaries was actually Kucinich
and HR676.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #58
69. Well, it's good that Kucinich and Conyers supported Obama in the primary. n/t.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:35 PM
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10. Did you vote for Obama?
Edited on Wed Jan-07-09 01:35 PM by Bleachers7
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:49 PM
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16. Are you now, or have you ever been....
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:36 PM
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11. What plan? There isn't one yet, "suck ass" or otherwise. Fail.. nt
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:41 PM
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13. I love Michael Moore with a passion and Sicko was incredibly powerful, but....
Edited on Wed Jan-07-09 01:42 PM by Jackeens_for_Obama
...its depiction of Britain's National Health Service was embarrassing. True, it's a whole lot better than what America offers its citizens, but to paint it as this flawless beacon of efficiency and expertise was just daft and foolishly inaccurate....and I know from firsthand experience. It reminded me of the chapter in one of his books (Stupid White Men?) about the history of the conflict in Northern Ireland, it was so simplistic and uninformed it made me blush. It just made me doubt his research abilities.

I still love Michael Moore and the passion he has for the greatest of causes, and I have no doubt that Gupta lied about Sicko - all I'm saying is, be a little wary of the claims Moore makes.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:50 PM
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19. Suck ass health plan? Fail.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:50 PM
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20. So you're upset with Gupta because of Obama's healthcare plan, which he proposed a year ago.
Where, again, does Gupta come into play?
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:56 PM
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25. Gupta is a symptom.
Congress needs to pass a comprehensive, universal plan. Obama can either sign it or not. "Optional" and "Universal" are not compatible.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:00 PM
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27. But again, what does that have to do with Gupta? I mean,
this comes down to Obama's health-care plan. The plan would be the same (that is to say, equally bad) if he had Sanjay Gupta, Doogie Howser, or Hippocrates as his surgeon general. I think that plan deserves lots of discussion (and criticism), but I don't think it has anything to do with Sanjay Gupta.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:30 PM
Original message
Remember James Watt? Reagan's secretary of the interior?
Edited on Wed Jan-07-09 02:30 PM by lumberjack_jeff
Watt was criticized for his views, and Reagan was criticized for the choice, not because it was unexpected, but because it was yet another reflection of Reagan's views on the environment and public lands.

Gupta is Obama's James Watt.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:51 PM
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21. At least he didn't cast asparagus.
Psst... it's "aspersions".
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:07 PM
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33. That is an inside joke on this board
cast asparagus
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. He knows, I think.
The "it's aspersions" is correcting the OP on his claim of "casting dispersions."
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. That's right, It's not dispersions... it's "asparagus".
:hi:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #38
52. Maybe it's a Dungeons and Dragons thing
He's casting Dispersion upon Barack Obama, hoping that would make his evil health care plan go away.

"Begone, fowl beast!"
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:53 PM
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53. LOL nt
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #52
67. "Back to the debts of hell from whens you came!" n/t
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:05 PM
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31. Oh dears, are we casting asparaguses agains?
Edited on Wed Jan-07-09 02:05 PM by HughMoran
I'm really getting tired of the negativity.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:27 PM
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43. I'm discussed at this thred.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:08 PM
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34. Well, if you're not okay with Gupta and the "Suck Ass
Health Care Plan" what are you doing about it?

Have you contacted the Obama Team?
http://www.ehow.com/how_2352363_contact-barack-obama.html
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:10 PM
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36. So... your problem with Gupta is that he'll sell Obama's healthcare plan.
Did I get that right?

OK, so your real problem is with Obama.

Got it.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:11 PM
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37. Obama's plan doesn't include a mandate
Except for children. And I recall many "progressives" attacking him during the primaries for not having a mandate.

I believe his plan does have a public option for those who don't want to get private insurance or are too expensive for private companies to insure.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. Why do you put "progressives" in quotes?
Is universal care no longer a progressive goal? Or do you, like the president-elect, think that "optional" and "universal" are compatible?
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:30 PM
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44. Because I thought mandates were less progressive in many ways
Because, as the OP states, they force people to buy private, for-profit insurance that they might not be able to afford.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:31 PM
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45. Then what's there to fix? The current situation is perfect!
Edited on Wed Jan-07-09 02:32 PM by lumberjack_jeff
Everyone has the choice to be uninsured! It's a liberal utopia!
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:18 PM
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65. I think the system is broken. I just don't think mandates are the answer
I think coming up with affordable ways for people who don't have insurance to buy it is more important than mandating that everyone buy it. Whether people have the right to be uninsured is a lot less important than whether people who want to be insured have the ability to get insurance. Sure, there might be some younger, healthier people who choose to take the risk of not having it, but that's hardly the biggest problem facing the system today. Lack of affordability for those who do want insurance but can't afford it is a much bigger problem. So is the lack of portability and the fact that some people who are trying to get insurance can't get it because of preexisting conditions.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:26 PM
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66. The problem with healthcare is the uninsured.
Those who are insured carry the burden for those who are not. Under Obama's plan, it is completely irrational to purchase insurance unless you get really sick. When you get really sick, you can opt in and your existing expenses (that you incurred because you didn't get any preventive care) will be paid for. The "younger healthier people" aren't taking the risk, they're transferring it onto everyone else without sharing any meaningful part of the load.

Until it's universal, it won't be affordable. We're all in this together.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:13 PM
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39. Obama shouldn't hire him because he agrees with Obama?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #39
46. Comedy is the O/P's strength
I get it! :rofl:






































:eyes:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:45 PM
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49. If you, as I, want national health insurance, single payer and non profit

Then change the constitution to a parlimentary system where one party has executive and legislative power, that is how all the other developed countries have implemented it.


With our divided system and the rights of the minority in the Senate any huge change like this is impossible unless you have a catastrophic event like the Great Depression and one party has exclusive and total control.


Obama knows that and that is why he is proposing something that actually has a chance of winning.


Yes Kucinich advocates the right approach but he also gets challenged as an incumbent and there is very little support for socialized medicine in the general public.


You are free to run for Congress and prove Obama wrong however.


Ironically probably the only way that we will get socialized medicine is when a significant number of doctors see that the are actually better compensated and have more freedom in a socialized system and they start lobbying for it.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:50 PM
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51. "there is very little support for socialized medicine in the general public"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:13 PM
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77. typical arrogant response now come up with some facts because here are the facts
The reality is that the overwhelming percent of the American people don't even know what socialized medicine is and think that it is universal insurance.

79% of the people don't even know what Socialized medicine is, thinking that it is simply universal insurance.

So how are people going to support what they don't even understand?


Feb. 14, 2008 -- A new poll shows that U.S. voters are divided on the issue of socialized medicine, which is a government-run health care system.

The poll comes from the Harvard School of Public Health and Harris Interactive. More than 2,000 people took part in the poll, conducted by phone in January and February.

First, people were asked how well they understood the term "socialized medicine."

About two-thirds -- 67% -- said they understand the term "very well" or "somewhat well." Thirty percent said they don't understand the term very well or at all. The rest said they didn't know or didn't answer that question.
What Is Socialized Medicine?

People also had different expectations of socialized medicine.

Participants who said they understood socialized medicine "very well," "somewhat well," or "not very well" listened to three statements and noted those they thought applied to socialized medicine.

The poll shows that 79% thought that in a socialized medicine system, the government makes sure everyone has health insurance, 73% thought the government would pay most of the cost of health insurance, and 32% said they think it means that the government tells doctors what to do.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:57 PM
Original message
We've got a depression coming on
Doctors ARE lobbying for single payer.
www.phnp.org
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #49
63. Physicians WANT single payer universal health care - as do nurses and every type of caregiver

I don't need to run for Congress.

I need fellow citizens who will show up at their representatives office in large numbers and demand a system that will actually be financially viable and provide care.

WE need to come together as a people and demand good policy.

Go here to learn some facts about the issue and where the majority of physicians now stand:

http://www.pnhp.org/

And, here is the study to where the majority of physicians now stand:

http://cthealth.server101.com/majority_of_physicians_support_single_payer.htm

You don't get it. The medical profession doesn't dictate policy. Health insurance companies do.

So much for your theory.
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:51 PM
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70. they why aren't they saying so?
The health insurance companies aren't the only lobby around. Physicians have plenty of sway when it comes to lobbying for medical malpractice laws so why aren't they lobbying for this (if they actually want it).
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #70
73. The AMA wants "universal, continuous and portable" health care, but believes
that a single-payer, government-run program is unfeasible.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #73
91. There is an organization of physicans who are advocating for single payer
Edited on Thu Jan-08-09 10:57 PM by dflprincess
http://www.pnhp.org/

This is from their mission statement on their home page


The U.S. spends twice as much as other industrialized nations on health care, $7,129 per capita. Yet our system performs poorly in comparison and still leaves 47 million without health coverage and millions more inadequately covered.

This is because private insurance bureaucracy and paperwork consume one-third (31 percent) of every health care dollar. Streamlining payment through a single nonprofit payer would save more than $350 billion per year, enough to provide comprehensive, high-quality coverage for all Americans



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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:55 PM
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54. OFF WITH HIS HEAD1111!!!!!
OUTRAGE!

LOUD NOISES!
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:57 PM
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56. I know! It's totally SUCK ASS! I wish we could have gotten that McCain Health Plan!
Shit! Shit! Shit!





:sarcasm:
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #56
60. Cute Sarcasm - Get off your Obama worship and realize to have true health reform

We must FIGHT for financially sustainable, affordable, and comprehensive coverage for all.

Obama's plan sucks.

It doesn't address the MAIN issue - the insurers profiteering. If you don't address that - you don't solve health care. Single payer universal health care coverage is the only way to fix this mess and provide health CARE. If we don't fight back and demand such a system, billions will be wasted creating a short term program that will be unsustainable in a short period, and will set us back in truly solving the crisis.

McCain's policy is irrelevant.

Perhaps you are more interested in the politician then the policy, but I am not.

I voted for Obama because there was no other choice, and I sent him my money. That doesn't fucking mean I have to stay silent while he sells out to the health insurance companies.

Deal with it.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. And I don't have to stay silent about your melodramatic fits.
Deal with it.

Oh, BTW... If you are oh so smart, why didn't you run for president?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 09:58 AM
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87. Saying "Obama worship" doesn't help your cause. Oh wait. Yes it does.
Since your cause is to insult people who like him, I guess it does.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:13 AM
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88. You knew what you were voting for,
Does that make you a hypocrite or an idiot?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:00 PM
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57. shorter OP: if you disagree with me, FU...Just because.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:05 PM
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61. How is the plan Obama/Dascle are working on not an improvement
over the current situation and how is even it going to be easy to pass?

What you want isn't likely to be in the cards and people need some help and a safety net at least NOW. Something has to be done. I think single payer is what we need to be going after but I've not seen many signs that it is a realistic goal right now. I hope I'm dead wrong and that we can have true universal care in this country in the immediately foreseeable future.

I think Obama's outline is a substantive step in the right direction.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:44 PM
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68. It sounds like your problem is with Obama, not Gupta
Progressives shouldn't be okay with Gupta because he'll be selling Obama's plan? One may certainly take issue with Obama's plan, but it would be odd to be surprised that he would pick someone he thinks can sell it.

(just as a side note, the plan espoused by Obama during the primaries didn't have a mandate, except for children. That was Clinton's issue with it).
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:51 PM
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71. Most people never understood what the "mandate" is about, I don't think.
It sounds so evil somehow, and so many lies have been told about it.

I agree with you. The so-called "mandate" is critical to the whole thing working. It's what makes it affordable, as well as paid for.

Appointing a liar to represent faulty ideas is something we should all be sick of by now.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 09:12 AM
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85. "mandate" is terminology invented by the Obama campaign.
I find it frankly insulting that he could, with a straight face, try to convince me that his "optional, universal" plan is the hot ticket.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:56 PM
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72. So...um... how do you do it? In the real world, that is...
Single Payer Healthcare in this country will have to be incremental.

If you have a plan that isn't just bloviated, utopian parlor talk where we fire all the insurance companies and destroy the pharmaceutical industry with our chests beating while we scream like banshees... you get the picture.

I'm for Single Payer Healthcare. I like and own a copy of Sicko that I show friends and family. But I also know what we are up against in terms of getting Single Payer Healthcare in our country.

Let's see what you would do. Make everyone pay a hefty mandated fee and somehow get around the insurance and pharmas? Have smaller community-based co-ops that get medicines and have a legion of very affordable healthcare professionals that implement and maintain a plan?

It's easy to chest-beat and say it's gotta change pronto. As they say, the devil is in the details...
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 09:10 AM
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84. There's only one component of any first step which is a prerequisite; universality
Obama's plan isn't universal, so it is thus simply rearranging the furniture.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:59 PM
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74. oh for fuck's sake, your hate of Obama- hardly a secret-
has gotten to the point of derangement. This isn't even a major appointment and you're doing your frothing thing over it.

Pitiful.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 09:08 AM
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83. i wonder if OPs like this who have a history of hating obama think people don't remember it.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 04:03 PM
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75. It's "aspersions" rather than "dispersion."
Not trying to be a jerk, just a little grammatical thing that you may find helpful.

And as to the topic, I agree with you. Gupta is not a progressive pick.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 04:51 AM
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78. you're absolutely right about Obama's healthcare plan . . .
or at least the direction he seems to be going in . . .

one of my reservations about Obama has always been whether he would be willing to stand up to and take on the corporations who run this country . . . but in this regard, he's no different from any of the other candidates that were available to us . . . none of them would dare propose a healthcare system that cuts the corporations out of the action . . . skimming billions of dollars off the top is how they make their money -- some of which goes to fund the election campaigns of their lackies in Washington . . .

the problem with politicians in this country is their seeming inability to look ahead and see where their policies will ultimately take us . . . continuing to feed the HMOs and the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies major chunks of our healthcare dollars will inevitably cause the system to collapse . . . but instead of making the necessary changes now, the politicians will continue their subservience to their corporate masters, delaying substantive change until things are so bad that they have no choice . . .

my hope for Obama is that he's smart enough that, after studying the issue up close and personal, he'll recognize the depth and breadth of the problem and choose REAL change over pretend change and continued corporate thievery . . . we shall see . . .
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 07:02 AM
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80. I think if you worded your post differently, you'd get much
better responses. Being harsh and judgemental gets you no where. There is a fine line between critiszing and bashing and I'm sorry this is bashing.

"Obama's suck ass health insurance plan"

vs.

"Obama's health insurance plan doesn't go far enough to cover those that really need it"

This is why people are questioning your motives and personally I don't blame them.


Next we'll be hearing that people who support Obama are right wingers. It's just a matter of time before that talking point gets out.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 09:06 AM
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82. bitter bitter bitter.
this will make it better;
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 09:54 AM
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86. You guys do realize that Obama's plan can be changed for the better
now that he's just about in office right? Who says he HAS to abide by what he ran on during the campaign?
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 11:08 PM
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92. Obama's plan sucks. No one wants it. NO ONE. Only the insurance industry.
Why should why have to start with Obama's plan and pretend it is much of an improvement.

No one wants Obama's health insurance plan. The public including Democrats and Republicans don't want it. Employers don't want it. Physicians and nurses don't like it. Why do it and pretend you are doing something to improve things.



We need HR676 instead.
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