Whoa! Anybody watching Mike Rogers on Hardball?

[alwysdrunk]

This guy is kicking ass! He says the Warren has directed Saddleback Church to change "divisive" language on his website. Claiming a victory for the gay community.

[CTyankee]

1. I just saw that! Do you think this was a deal worked out between Warren and Obama?

I was wondering what Obama's end game was here and I think we're seeing it.

That was fast, huh?

[Kahuna]

4. All those of little faith.....

:grouphug:

[alwysdrunk]

5. I don't know. I say probably not. I think Warren felt the heat.

He really is going for that Billy Graham spot and his name was getting a bit scuffed up because of this. How long has it been? Five days? Amazing!

[Pirate Smile]

7. I think if a person isn't a total asshole they will feel bad that their words hurt so many people.

He seems more ignorant then cruel. I could be wrong but I hope not. He may not have realized how cruel the comparisons he made were to gay people. He knows now.

[CTyankee]

8. I won't give him a complete pass yet. Let's hear what he has to say at the inaugural.

No text becasue we really don't know yet...

[Pirate Smile]

I agree but he isn't going to talk about anything like that in his prayer at the inaugural.

That would truly be nuts.

[CTyankee]

17. Well, who knows? We don't and that was demonstrated today so

we really and truly have to wait and see, don't we?

[alwysdrunk]

15. Good point about the comparisons

He will probably lay of those in the future, at least. I really doubt he will compare gays to child molesters after this. He might even take it back.

[CTyankee]

18. I think he has to do more than that, IMHO...n/t

[LittleApple81]

2. Who was the black pastor? defending Warren's bigotry. That was really a stretch. nt

[alwysdrunk]

6. He's the MSNBC staff pastor, Eugene Rivers. He's not all that good

He has been defending Obama and Warren since this thing started.

[Pirate Smile]

14. I always thought of him as quite RW. They had him on during the Wright stuff to

bash Wright and Obama.

He definitely tilts to the right.

[Neecy]

19. Contessa Brewer raked him over the coals this morning

And he got kind of rude with her, annoyed that she dared ask about the feelings of the gay community. He seemed highly disturbed to find we have feelings.

[otohara]

31. He Was So Rude & Condescending to Mike Rogers

calling him Mr. Rogers, laughing, mocking, shaking his head .... referred to gays as "his crew" to Mike Rogers. Rivers was a total asswipe today.

I thought Mike did a great job.

[Kahuna]

3. He was awesome!!! He's is a great spokesperson for the marraige equality..

movement. :applause:

[tridim]

9. Well that's certainly a silver lining.

Maybe this whole dustup will actually help change the evangelical mindset RE: gay issues. That would be very cool.

[alwysdrunk]

10. Found his blog

http://www.blogactive.com/

Turns out this guy is a famous "outer". He's known for finding out who's gay and outs them. Like John McCain's Chief of Staff before the election LOL.

[CTyankee]

20. Yes, we must see what is done, not just what is said. n/t

[SharonRB]

33. Mike only outs people who are hypocritical --

those who are anti-gay publicly, but are actually gay themselves(see "Larry Craig" and his ilk).

Mike's a friend of mine and I called him after the show to tell him he did a great job.

[totodeinhere]

11. Changing some "divisive" language on his website won't mean that he is no longer a bigot.

I am sure that Warren has not changed his views on gay rights one iota. They felt the heat and changed a few words on the website, but such action is of little consequence until they actually change some of their bigoted policies, and don't hold your breath on that one. It won't be a victory for the gay community unless Warren is removed from the inauguration program altogether.

[Sebastian Doyle]

12. Exactly

It's one thing to remove the blatant bigoted language from his website, entirely another to stop acting like a bigot, preach bigotry from his pulpit, and support political bigotry.

[alwysdrunk]

13. He probably won't ever change his views

And I highly doubt that he'll be removed. That would be worse for Obama than keeping him.

I don't know if it was a victory or not, he said it was. The main thing is that he was an excellent debater and destroyed the minister on there. I've been reading too much DU. He made a better case in five minutes than DUers bashing Obama have in a week.

Still, it's more than I expected, especially this fast. It may not be the last thing he does either.

[CTyankee]

16. I really think Obama demanded this in return for the inaugural invocation.

I don't mean to make this sound squalid and horrible. I think he meant to say to Warren that he had to cleanup his act and if he didn't, he wouldn't have a place at the table.

It remains to be seen whether this will work all the way. It has worked so far, that's all....

[alwysdrunk]

21. You may be right. I've always thought that Obama chose Warren for this long ago

I think that Obama made his mind up about this way before it was announced. Maybe even before the election. And really, Warren isn't officially the new Billy Graham yet. Maybe Obama said he would treat him like Billy Graham, but he has to do certain things Obama wants to see.

[CTyankee]

30. yeah, I'm always doubtful that these occurrances just "happen". I think they are orchestrated.

I love Obama and what he stands for, but I always doubted that he would just take Warren at his word and not demand something in return.

Peace be unto you. We shall see this come to pass in an interesting way...

[Clio the Leo]

25. But it's a start. ;-) NT

[tinrobot]

29. One step at a time...

...and this is a step in the right direction.

Sure, he may still hate, but at least he's not preaching it.

[polichick]

22. Good job!

[kdpeters]

23. Thanks for the heads-up. I just caught the re-broadcast.

You're right. Mike Rogers did a great job.

[FrenchieCat]

24. That reverend made me ashamed......

as he was pompous and off putting, IMO. :puke:

[jenmito]

27. He was the same way during the Rev. Wright stuff. He spoke out against him and

against Obama staying in his church for 20 years.

[jenmito]

26. Yes! He declared victory for getting Warren to change his website and for getting that

reverend guy to "defend" the choice of Warren. So even if Warren DIDN'T change his views on homosexuality, and of course he didn't, his MESSAGE is changing to a more accepting one.

[tinrobot]

28. I always thought Warren would be more influenced by Obama...

...than the other way around.

I'm glad Warren is cleaning up his website. At least he'll be keeping his hate to himself.

[SharonRB]

32. I saw the later showing

Mike did an amazing job.

[PufPuf23]

34. Anti-gay bigotry is only one facet of Warren's dominion theology

The facet that shows because of the convergence of gay marriage in general, Prop 8, and Warren's profile in a watershed election year (regardless of the future). Palin's church scrubbed much too.

California was cluster bomber with pro Prop 8 robo-calls days before the election with a snipp

I do not think the change in website was a "victory" but rather a run to the shadows.

Frankly -- as an older heterosexual non-Believer white male in CA -- I do not get why Obama threw Wright under the bus for Warren when Wright was excluded for rhetorical and cultural style with fine substance if one looked at his sermons in context while Warren represents the theocratic segment of the USA that plots covert infiltration of politcs and government instuitutions and is free of taxation. Sure Warren fights against AIDS in Africa but it is by abstention programs and people are evangelized concurrently.

I would be impressed by a Christian that suggested their institution be taxed and could deliver social services without evangelism.

[Hellataz]

35. See This was part of Obama's plan, he has an end game i tell you

You can't neglect, attack or ignore the hateful or ignorant. You need to take a different approach if you want change. Barack knows this and we're already seeing results.

[Garbo 2004]

37. Saddleback (and what a name is that for a fundie church?) just "sanitized" its site since

it was getting noticed and linked to. It's public relations, not substance. It's just part of Warren's pose as a "moderate" when he's no such thing.

The ideology hasn't changed.

[NashVegas]

36. Does Changing the Language Equate to Changing the Policy?

you think?

[CTyankee]

38. Yes, but we liberals don't like hate speech directed at gays or anybody.

So when the speech is moderated or muffled we should be glad about it. What he personally believes is another matter. We can hope to change his mind but absent that we must see a cessation of hate speech as a good thing...