Anyone watching cspan-2? The auto bail out did not pass.

[yourguide]

Update: got to 52 yays. Will not be voted on again until next year.




Debbie Stabenow speaking now and is pissed. She acknowledges the votes arent there.

This is no joke people. The Republicans will not let this pass.

Reid was talking about adjourning and says if it does not pass the bill is dead for the year.


Side note: the dollar is dropping like a brick.

[rockymountaindem]

1. When does the new Senate get sworn in? January 3rd?

They should reconvene then and pass the House bill. Hopefully it will not be too late.

[Raschel]

56. More like when does the American flag get replaced. Goodbye American Production.

[w4rma]

2. 40 more days. Hope the big three can hold out for 40 more days. Heck the next session is in 23. (nt)

[mth44sc]

4. they can

if the dems signal that help is on the way...

[MichiganVote]

17. It won't matter. Thousands will be out of work. It will be a case of too little, too late.

[mediaman007]

3. Apparently, the Republicans must think that they are in charge for the

next term. They're just digging the hole deeper.

[Bobbie Jo]

53. As long as Harry McFly is there, essentially they ARE in charge.

:banghead:

[AllentownJake]

5. Fucking have a Vote Harry

Don't let the fuckers not go on the record.

[yourguide]

9. procedural vote now n/t

[liberalmuse]

6. Republicans will not be happy...

until they've gang-raped and dumped America's body into an unmarked grave. Fucking shame.

[SnoopDog]

7. Ms. Debbie Stabenow gave a very passionate speech...

2.5 million jobs are on the line, national security, and our economy because republicans think American auto workers make to much money.

[blue_onyx]

40. I'm very happy with Stabenow

She has been doing a great job of trying to help the automakers. Sen. Stabenow was on Rachel Maddow's show and gave a very good explanation of why it's necessary to help the US auto companies. She has been working hard and hopefully the car companies will get the loans they need.

[Captain Hilts]

8. What's that wimp going to do about it?

[ROakes1019]

21. What wimp?

Are you talking about Harry Reid? The man has done everything he can possibly do to get this bill through. The Dems and the auto workers have compromised and compromised. The Repubs hate the unions and will see one of our main manufacturing industries go down the tube just to try to do in the unions. Don't be blaming Harry Reid. Blame people like Shelby and Ensign and all the Repubs who still think this country is conservative but what country will we have left?

[AllentownJake]

28. He was a fucking wimp the past two years

All that compromising he's done...sure did a hell of alot of good.

[firedupdem]

10. Ridiculous!!!! n/t

[Pale Blue Dot]

11. Wow. Dow futures are crashing.

Down -277.00 at 10:31 tonight.

[rasputin1952]

12. Republicans are hell bent on destroying the nation, and this last

gasp from the RW zealots will be their death knell.

Think they lost badly last election, just wait till 2010, they'll be lucky if there are 2 of them left in Congress.

[Sebastian Doyle]

13. This spineless wimp has got to go

Jellyfish Pelosi too.

[Maru Kitteh]

15. Aye to that.

Can't stand either one of them.

[jwirr]

16. And what are they supposed to do with the f--king repugs?

[Sebastian Doyle]

27. See post #20

I couldn't state it any better than The Magistrate did there.

[jwirr]

38. Now that I understand. However I have a feeling that they will hold

their stand. They are angry about losing the election and they don't care if the country goes down.

[MichiganVote]

14. It will die. Thousands will be tossed out of a job, kids will go hungry

and republican senators from the south will practically fuck each other in glee.

For everyone who bitched about the auto loans...don't even think of offering sympathy to those who WILL be without employment.

[Pirate Smile]

18. Has anyone been counting the votes?

[thewiseguy]

19. Are they voting?

[Pirate Smile]

24. Yes. It is the procedural vote on the loans to the Automakers. If it fails it will have been

filibustered.

[yourguide]

25. voting now.

[The Magistrate]

20. He Should Make The Bastards Stand Up And Vote Against It, Ma'am

Let the people see the horns and tails of the wreckers in the light of day....

[yourguide]

23. They are, they are voting now.

[Jennicut]

22. What Dems would not go along with it? It might have a better chance once we get some of the new Dems

in after Jan 20th. I never understood why they tried to do this in a lameduck session anyhow but I guess the car companies are hurting badly now and can't wait. Still, a lame duck sessoin rarely works.

[democrattotheend]

26. It can't wait

It looks like GM does not have enough cash to make it to Inauguration Day.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

29. They don't need to. Only until the nex congress.

I *think* the new congress starts around Jan 3rd, so they could pass it and Bush would sign it.

[Jennicut]

31. Wow. That is bad. They are going under then, thanks Rethugs

Guess it will just make room for some more foreign owned auto plants in their states. A lot of those plants are in the South.

[democrattotheend]

30. They may only need 59 votes if that makes any difference

The rule is 3/5 of the Senate, not 60 votes. Since there are only 99 senators right now 3/5 is 59.4. Does anyone know if that rounds down to 59?

I bet Obama wishes he hadn't resigned his Senate seat yet...of course, he thought it would give Illinois an advantage by giving the new Senator a little bit of extra seniority.

Is Biden there to vote?

[yourguide]

32. They got to 52.

[democrattotheend]

39. Out of 87 present and voting

And it was really 53 because Reid changed his vote to no for procedural reasons. So it was more than 3/5, and Senate rules say 3/5 of senators present and voting, not a hard 60 votes. So technically it should have passed...can someone explain that to me?

[Jennicut]

33. Biden said if he was needed he would be there, per an article I read this morning

He was in DC today meeting with Hillary and Jim Jones so maybe he is still there if they need him?

[yourguide]

34. Bail out failed. Only got to 52.

[EFerrari]

35. These bastards have no soul.

The Republicans really do want to toss the whole place before they leave. May they reap what they've sown.

[FrenchieCat]

36. Well everyone is about to take a hit.....

cause unless Bush gives up some of that TARP money, the market is gonna take a Nose Dive!

Repugs give us a Merry FUCK UNIONS Christmas and Happy 401K Holidays! :sarcasm:

[Zynx]

37. Are the Republicans going to fillibuster everything?

This could get absurd.

[AllentownJake]

41. The answer is yes

They are going to act like total fucktards and try to block everything Obama does.

Specter, Snowe, and Collins are going to do nothing to help us.

[NYC Liberal]

42. Time to go nuclear if they do it!

Fuck 'em.

[AllentownJake]

44. We need to get rid of Reid first

That fucker wouldn't punch back when they are standing on top of him beating him with a pipe.

[NYC Liberal]

54. True. Who do you think should replace him?

I would say Hillary but obviously that isn't the case anymore. Feingold?

[AllentownJake]

59. Boxxer or Feingold

Hell Lyndon Johnson's dead body could stand up better than fucking Reid

Shit tell Rahmbo he can't be chief of staff his ass is needed in the Senate and have that Lt. Govenor appoint him.

[totodeinhere]

62. As far as I know Reid has the full support of the Democratic caucus.

I don't think he's going anywhere.

[EFerrari]

45. I think that's right. And somehow, we have to call them on everything.

Everything. Everyone with a network, everyone who writes, everyone who posts anywhere, we have to call these bastards out every single time. We have to have more focus than they do, more energy and more doggedness.

[AllentownJake]

48. You know those middle class protest I was talking about on another thread

outside their fucking offices in their prospective states. Waving American flags and saying I want a job, healthcare, and clean energy.

[EFerrari]

51. Just showing up in our work clothes at the local Federal building

would work. The Employment Army -- just as valid as the Bonus Army was.

[AllentownJake]

52. Damn fucking right

[S_E_Fudd]

43. Unemployment will be at 12-15% by February...

GM will probably go bankrupt within 2 weeks...

Chrysler will be out of business altogether (they may be able to sell off their Jeep division)

Ford may be able to scrape along

Stock Market below 6000 before long...


Republicans in Congress now believe their own bullshit which is very dangerous...and none of them have a stake in this...they aren't going to lose their jobs anytime soon...and unless they have an American auto plant in their state their reelection isn't in jeopardy...so they don't really give a shit

[blue_onyx]

49. Bankrupt within 2 weeks...you sure are optimistic

I wouldn't be surprised if they declared bankruptcy tomorrow. Our local news said the rumor was that GM and Chrysler would declare bankruptcy not long after a failure to pass a bailout.

[S_E_Fudd]

50. The irony is...

The type of thing these companies will be forced to do in a bankruptcy situation is probably what would save them...but the stigma of going bankrupt will kill them...who is going to buy a car from a bankrupt company?

[Odin2005]

46. Say Hello to the New Great Depression folks.

:cry:

[EFerrari]

47. Yep. There goes California. Barbara said we're second after MI

and God knows, we were already in horrible shape even before this.

[Raschel]

57. This is crazy. States are running out of money, city mayors are pleading for state funding,

and these people are voting to not help US jobs? This is so bad.

[Odin2005]

60. Those pukes are TRAITORS, all of them.

I'd be happy to see them hung, or guillotined.

[Raschel]

64. At a mimimum, take away the pension and healthcare they think nobody else should have.

Frickin' Kremlin occupiers.

[Dinger]

55. Not to Beat A Dead Horse:

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2008/12/11/Senate_Repu...


From Buzzflash:

"Senate republicans Give 700 Billion Of Our Dollars To Riverboat Gamblers On Wall Street But Block Effort To Shore Up An Industry Whose Demise Will Negatively Impact Millions Of People. This Is Economic Treason."

[Raschel]

58. Yes it is. It is economic treason.

[Lilith Velkor]

61. At what point is it economic terrorism?

[Raschel]

63. I dunno, but since the repub congress is so concerned with overcompensation and accountability

these effers need their wages cut way down and their pensions and health care stopped. NOW. Who the hell gets benefits anymore? Isn't that their big bitch? Take their benefits away now. Bastards.