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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:15 AM
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MCCAIN "LOSING IN A WAY THAT THREATENS TO TAKE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY DOWN WITH HIM"
NOT EVEN CLOSE
Sorry, Senator. Let's Salvage What We Can.

By David Frum
Sunday, October 26, 2008; Page B01


There are many ways to lose a presidential election. John McCain is losing in a way that threatens to take the entire Republican Party down with him.

A year ago, the Arizona senator's team made a crucial strategic decision. McCain would run on his (impressive) personal biography. On policy, he'd hew mostly to conservative orthodoxy, with a few deviations -- most notably, his support for legalization for illegal immigrants. But this strategy wasn't yielding results in the general election. So in August, McCain tried a bold new gambit: He would reach out to independents and women with an exciting and unexpected vice presidential choice.

That didn't work out so well either. Gov. Sarah Palin connected with neither independents nor women. She did, however, ignite the Republican base, which has come to support her passionately. And so, in this last month, the McCain campaign has

Palinized itself to make the most of its last asset. To fire up the Republican base, the McCain team has hit at Barack Obama as an alien, a radical and a socialist.

Sure enough, the base has responded. After months and months of wan enthusiasm among Republicans, these last weeks have at last energized the core of the party. But there's a downside: The very same campaign strategy that has belatedly mobilized the Republican core has alienated and offended the great national middle, which was the only place where the 2008 election could have been won.

I could pile up the poll numbers here, but frankly . . . it's too depressing. You have to go back to the Watergate era to see numbers quite so horrible for the GOP.

McCain's awful campaign is having awful consequences down the ballot. I spoke a little while ago to a senior Republican House member. "There is not a safe Republican seat in the country," he warned. "I don't mean that we're going to lose all of them. But we could lose any of them."

In the Senate, things look, if possible, even worse.

more...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/23/AR2008102302081.html?nav=rss_print/outlook
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:17 AM
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1. The Palin effect! Go Sarah!
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AnotherMother4Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:48 AM
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26. She made me get off my butt & register people & donate more to Obama - She scares the heck outta me.
You betcha!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:56 AM
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28. They keep trying to blame it on McCain & Palin....DON'T FALL FOR IT!!
It's the whole stinking mess the republicans have turned this country into that is the problem. But, as usual, the republicans are looking to point the finger ANYWHERE except at their rotten, greedy, blood-sucking selves and their perverted mind set. So, it "must be" McCain's campaign.

Yeah. Right.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 12:11 PM
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32. I read and reread your post several times. It could be its own thread. You are exactly right
It isn't McCain/Palin. It's the whole Republican gestalt.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 12:34 PM
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38. ditto that... in fact, why don't you start a thread on this? n/t
:)
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Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 12:39 PM
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39. Right on the money, loudsue!!

those twits can point all the fingers they want, but it's the failure of the republican philosophy that has turned the political middle to the left for answers. Yeah, it helps that we have an exiciting, intelligent, articulate, and disciplined candidate to run against their flop sweat covered "mavericks", but Obama is getting a receptive hearing from the American people because 8 years of the republicans have been a disaster.

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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 04:11 PM
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51. And the media are falling for the "it's McCain's campaign that is the problem" meme.
It's not the campaign. It's the horrible, utter failure of a philosophy of trying to destroy our government from within, and stealing tax dollars for wars that only make a couple of people richer. The war in Iraq. The war on drugs. These are just a couple of the ways that republicans steal our tax dollars to shuffle contracts to their most beloved buddies and benefactors/contributors.

The media "deregulation" and the destruction of the Fairness Doctrine by the neocons, have allowed the dumbing down of the American public because only 6 companies control over 90% of the entire message. And they certainly DON'T act as watchdogs against our elected officials.

The war on drugs has allowed for funding to go to 6 new prisons for every 1 new school that is funded to be built (I believe that was the most recent figure), so that a few people can become VERY wealthy incarcerating pot smokers, and those who have committed NO violent crime, or who are no threat to society.

The entire republican agenda stinks to high heaven. Giving tax breaks to companies who take our jobs overseas? Giving huge tax breaks to millionaires? John McCain's campaign is only a symptom of a group of people who support a horrible agenda. They can't blame it on him or his campaign.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 08:25 PM
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56. Along with those Privatized Prisons comes the redrawing to districts to include the prisoners
as part of the population, yet those very prisoners don't get the right to vote.

The War on "certain" Drugs has been a disaster from day one. Yet the rethuglicons should this as a weapon against the Democrats and it worked like a charm. Wouldn't want to be labeled "soft" on drugs.

As you stated in your other post, they shouldn't place ALL the blame at McCain's feet, they ALL had so much more to do within their own Party that has started to eat away at their lack of concern for everyday Americans.

From Abramoff, Reed, Norquist, to the Congressmen who played with them. Politics of Corruption when exposed will get you into trouble.


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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:12 PM
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50. I agree, they shrunk their base to the upper 1/10 of 1% and the fundie nuts.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 04:33 AM
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65. Yup the Thug tent is growing ever smaller and nuttier
Thank God! :)
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:05 PM
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60. Let's consider the messenger
"Axis of Evil" Frum is a hard core NeoCon. How hard? Hard enough to be co-author a book with the Prince of Darkness himself, Richard Perle "An End To Evil" http://www.amazon.com/End-Evil-How-Win-Terror/dp/0345477170/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225078142&sr=8-7

Their beloved W and Unka Dick destroyed our country and set fire to the whole world. Left us in ruins. And that ain't hyperbole. THAT's why anyone with a lick of sense has been turned against Republicans for years.

Pretending that McCain or Palin have anything to do with how we got to where we are and why America has turned against the Republicans is as absurd as believing either of them can put the brakes on the Grapes of Wrath Express W created for America.

So Frum is pretending to be just a generic conservative/Republican and is relying on the familiar American amnesia to walk away from his bloody past?

Maybe just trying to save his own skin and keep writing books, or the light is on and the cockroaches are running for cover -- but they'll be out again.




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Maureen1322 Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 04:59 AM
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68. Exactly right. The whole repuke brand sucks.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:18 AM
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2. The demise of these bastards, best news I have heard in a long time.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:19 AM
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3. Why in the world didn't the Dems run a candidate against my conman?
His is one of the "safe seats" for repukes, but this would have been the year to mount a full attack against him.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:29 AM
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10. Somebody had to stand up and declare for candidacy
could have been an opportunity for you.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 02:29 PM
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44. A Muslim candidate may work in Minneapolis
but not in Arkansas 3.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 09:18 PM
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58. excellent point. Are things ever dicey for you down there?
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:21 AM
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4. Some is mcLame and failinpalin, but I think 50-75% is bUsh legacy. eom
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:39 AM
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23. Agreed, but you can't blame a Bush in America.
The Corpse Media won't allow it.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:21 AM
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5. Nobody got real teary-eyed when Goldfinger got sucked out of that airplane
in the Bond film.

Good riddance to bad garbage.

McCain and Palin and whoever's handling them have stunk up the joint somethin' fierce this fall, and it will be a refreshing uplift to see voters reject them in large numbers.

Recommended.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:21 AM
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6. So it looks like
now MacMaverick's plan is to try to scare people into at least voting for HIM so all those races he lost down ticket don't make a MAJORITY. How's that for twisted logic. "I'm losing it for them, but give it to me".
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:21 AM
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7. I can almost taste it!
..
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:26 AM
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8. Don't Be So Modest, Mr. Frum
Don't be so modest, Mr. Frum. As much as you and other right-wing Republicans wish to pin the blame for a 2008 electoral debacle on Senator McCain, you and your fellow "conservative" Republicans co-authored what will hopefully be the worst Republican drubbing since FDR got elected for his first term. What is taking McCain down is not only what seems to be a disorganized and lackluster campaign, but all the right-wing/Republican baggage from both Boosh terms and times before that--incompetence, lying, corruption, race-baiting, crony capitalism, more lying, top-down class warfare, wedge politics, still more lying, incompetence at the State and Defense Departments, vote suppression, scarcely-veiled hostility to the poor, minorities, and the elderly, more lying, the Republican "base's" hostility to minorities, and the GOP's unholy alliance to right-wing Evangelical Protestant extremists.

Senator McCain wasn't the sole author of what will hopefully cause an incoming blue tsunami. You were there and helped set it up.

--V--

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Bad Thoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:31 AM
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14. Hear, Hear! eom.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:44 AM
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24. Bingo!
:toast:
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 12:23 PM
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34. this should be an OP so we could recommend it!
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 12:24 PM
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35. Well said. David "Axis of Evil" Frumm deserves a lot of credit
for destroying the Republican party.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 12:09 AM
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61. Makes you feel almost sorry for the old guy, doesn't it??
An old, fragile man clinging to what has to have been an (undeserved) lifelong dream of being President. Was denied it once by a lesser man. Will be denied it again, this time by a better man. And his loss will be buffeted by the belief that in addition to suffering a crushing defeat, in the process he also caused the demise of a once strong and feared political party.

The neo-cons would love for this to be written on McCain's political tombstone. But I honestly believe that he is too mean and ornery to go down this way. After he loses on Nov 4, I wouldn't be surprised if McCain not only goes off the reservation but comes back and burns it down. He'll have nothing to lose by that point.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 02:11 AM
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62. McCain is not going to shed a tear for the Republicans

IMHO, the one personal bright spot in this for him is that he has finally gotten even for what they did to him.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 03:20 AM
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63. I think you are right on the money
MHO, the one personal bright spot in this for him is that he has finally gotten even for what they did to him.

He may not have done it yet, but I do believe he WILL be getting even very soon.

He's got 8 years of anger and frustration to get even for (the "POW experience made him crazy" rumors; the illegitimate black baby lies; and the "he's dragged the whole Repub party down with him" stuff this year) and that man strikes me as having a vengeful streak in him 4 miles wide.
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Bad Thoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:27 AM
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9. Republicans are playing in a way that takes down McCain
A little honesty from the right would be nice. Their style of politics, once alien to McCain, has ruined his brand. And he was doing better in the polls than the generic republican ... far better. True, he has been a snooze of a candidate. But the fault lies more with the party than then man.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 05:17 AM
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69. Who will tell the delusional?
I doubt that this senior fella will ever have and find the time to redeem himself. They will blame him and everything else they can see in front of themselves. I also wouldn't be naive to be writing that obituary on any neo-con agenda. If the short history we know about neo-con agenda is studied we would know these folks never give up and go away. Look for that whole movement to reinvent themselves in short order, probably even bet on it :shrug:
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:30 AM
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Palin was a blessing to Democrats
She let all of the kooks in the Repig party out of the attic. Those kooks are now front and center, screaming their kookery in front of every available camera at the reception. The likes of Brooks, Powell, Adelman, Buckley and Will have now gotten a front row center seat to observe the seething racism, paranoia and sociopathy at the core of their party. It has scared the fertilizer out of them. That sort of vulgar racism is declasse to "elite" Repig-identifiers. Frankly, the Repig elites don't give a hoot about race. A candidate can be black, white, Vulcan or Cardassian. For them, it's a question of economic ideas that support the elite and empire-building. Fascist/racist nationalism is not part of their agenda. The ugly, racist populism that Mooselini has unleashed is something that they cannot choose to live with.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:30 AM
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11. From those wonderful people who gave us
THE LAST EIGHT YEARS!!!

"The government now owns a big stake in the nation's banking system. Trillions of dollars are now under direct government control. It's not wise to put that money under one-party control. It's just too tempting. You need a second set of eyes on that cash. You need oversight and accountability. Otherwise, you're going to wake up two years from now and find out that a Democratic president, a Democratic Senate and a Democratic House have been funneling a ton of that money to their friends and allies. It'll be a big scandal -- but it will be too late. The money will be gone. Divided government is the best precaution you can have."


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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:31 AM
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12. Frum never liked Palin
In normal times he would be just another Repub tool. In today's enviroment just acknowledging reality makes him look like a genius. How far can this party fall?
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:31 AM
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13. KICK!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:31 AM
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15. "LOSING IN A WAY THAT THREATENS TO TAKE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY DOWN WITH HIM" - from your lips to
god's ears...

wea can only hope and pray that that IS the final result...
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:32 AM
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16. "You have to go back to the Watergate era to see numbers quite so horrible for the GOP."
:o
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:32 AM
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17. Yes, to the trash heap of history.
Good riddance.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:37 AM
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18. You helped Mr. Frum
didn't you help W w/ the economy?

Step forward and take credit.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:41 AM
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19. "There's a fierce new anger among many liberal Democrats, a more militant style and an angry ...
intolerance" Quote from the article
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:49 AM
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20. It's about time our anger was recogized. And as others have noted,
it's not just MsSame's fault.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:32 AM
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22. Amen
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 12:25 PM
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36. he means: "When I lie and insult people, they no longer are willing to give me
Edited on Sun Oct-26-08 12:25 PM by spooky3
the benefit of the doubt or sweetly try to reason with me. They say, 'that's a lie/insult' and respond the way someone who's been treated rudely should respond."
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:19 AM
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21. People were writing and talking about the Republican brand's being on life support before
McCain clinched the nomination. You cannot win Presidential elections with only the extreme religious right and that's about all they've got left--and McCain did not even have that before Palin. Come on.

Thompson?

Noun, verb, 911, Runs With Mobsters?

"I belonged to a racist church while I saw my father march with MLK ?


These were their wannabe candidates, folks.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:46 AM
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25. I wouldn't by this whitewash. McCain shouldn't be allowed to be The fall-guy of a bankrupt ideology
Edited on Sun Oct-26-08 11:47 AM by izzybeans
and a corrupt party of Orwellian elitists.

Don't blame it McCain, blame it on the all the Reagan Revolution. He was merely one player in their criminal gamesmanship.
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agentS Donating Member (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:55 AM
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27. Way to sink your own fleet, Admiral!
I'm glad McMoron is no longer in the Navy. Who knows how bad he would've run things if he were in charge of a carrier battle group? Might sink the whole damn thing without an enemy within 1000 nautical miles.

It's nice to know this schmuck thinks there's something left for McCain to salvage.
Sorry, but there ain't much left to salvage. Should've thought about that before!
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:58 AM
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29. He didn't energize his core, he energized the farthest-to-the-right scum.
The ones the "true core" pandered to and paternalistically patted on the head. The ones who were marginalized for a reason (and we see the result playing out right now). And now not only has McKKKlan alienated the "national middle" (in terms of "independents" and "Reagan Democrats"), but has alienated the intellectuals, the think-tank repukes within his own party. The ones who formulated Raygun"revolution" & Get-rich's "Contract with America".

But these same intellectuals are as much to blame by going along with the Rash Limpballs wing of their party and letting them take it over. For the so-called "liberal and moderate" repukes like Hatch and Specter to continue to support this ticket, is a testament to their denial of what is happening around them.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 12:03 PM
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31. Agree with your every word. nt
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 01:02 PM
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40. Oh, the irony, they picked McCain in the primaries because they thought
he would appeal to the centrists, the swing voters.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:58 AM
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30. McCain's "(impressive) personal biography." -- I'm still waiting to hear what that is.
I get so tired of reading the obligatory "hero," "we owe him our thanks," "well-deserved reputation as a maverick," "honorable," insertion in every pundit description of McCain.

In reading the countlesss articles on him, the impression of him that emerges for me is of a self-centered, hot-tempered, foul-mouthed, emotionally-stunted youth who grew into a man of much the same temperament.

Why should I "thank" him for that.
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 12:16 PM
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33. This Does Not Sound Like a Party Able to Steal an Election
Nobody it talking about "the math", Stealing Ohio and/or Florida might make the race respectable, in terms of electorial votes, but the trends are pointing to an Obama win so large and broad that it can't be stolen by point shaving here and there, even in a couple of bigger states.

Frankly, I don't think that the GOP vote stealing machinery is capable of flipping a five point race nationwide. It may be able to flip that many votes in a state, but the theft would be so blatent that people would be rioting in the street.

In one state where the voter suppression was very successful in 2004, NC, over a million people, more than 1/3 of the 2004 total of voters have already voted. The party affiliation is 2:1 Democratic for these early voters.

The huge turnout of African American early voters in NC and Georgia(!!!) point to an Obama effect that may make all the current "likely voter" models that pollsters use obsolete.

Zogby said 5% this morning and Gallup's traditional model followed suit, but the lead among registered voters at Gallup is unchanged and Obama picked up a point in their expanded model, which is probably more accurate this year.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 12:27 PM
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37. please, do deliver on that threat...
although, as usual, the rethuglican's got it ass-backwards.

McCain of 2000 *may* have been independent enough of * and the rethuglican core to lure in some independents.

McCain's big mistake was to cozy up, wrap his arms around *, and pander to the rethuglican core that is every evil thing that you, Mr. Shrum, have helped to make it.

Like a drunken captain seeking to attone for decades of failings, McShame finally found a molecule of integrity and chose to tow the rethuglican line...only to find himself going down with the rethuglican ship.

May you all sink very, very far to the bottom of the sea. And rest there for an eternity.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 01:06 PM
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41. rethugs are using this to lure indie voters...the treat of a dem takeover
they're hoping that by saying this in mcliar ads, they'll scare people into voting for mcliar to prevent a solid dem majority in all levels of govt
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 01:34 PM
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42. I took from the article
the fear he has the "One Party Government" doing exactly what the GOP did when they controled all three branches. He projects much.

Most of the damage caused by this administration was at the time when the GOP controlled the House, Senate and the White House.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 01:35 PM
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43. Now you've gotten my hopes up, David.
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 02:38 PM
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45. McCain was the repubs' one shot in hell at not losing huge
because he wasn't as as closely associated with the Republican "brand" as most.

Then they made him (and he embraced it) run like a standard republican, not realizing that Americans are really, REALLY sick of their shit.

And all they did was let us know that we can't trust ANY republican, even "Maverick" ones.

Republican willfull ignorance has been turned inward. They still have no idea why they are losing and they don't have any way to fix it.

:)
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 02:59 PM
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46. Repubs are scapegoating McShameless & the
McShameless Campaign is scapegoating Pathetic Palin. It's the RWing, as usual, blaming others for their own failures. Accountability is never shifted to themselves.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:01 PM
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47. TORO TURD, FRUM!
Edited on Sun Oct-26-08 04:01 PM by rocknation
McCrazed made NONE of the decisions alone. The Rethug leadership TOLD him what "family values" to embrace and peddle, and THEY picked Palin to energize their base (which they didn't realize is no longer big enough) and appeal to disgruntled Hillary supporters (who were supposed to be dumb enough to accept ANYONE with vagina). And you were TOTALLY on board, Frum! Less than a week ago you were on Rachel Maddow's show complaining about the quality of the "political discourse"--now you're trying to convince us that McCrazed's failures are due to his being a "super-maverick" who didn't take anyone's advice. The public has simply stopped buying what you're selling, you're just another rat deserting a sinking ship,and you have the gall to suggest that it's all McCrazed's fault? You've got it backwards, Frum--the Republicans are losing in way that's taking McCain down!

:headbang:
rocknation
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:05 PM
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48. I really hope so!
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:06 PM
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49. Indeed, my prayers being answered, and my wishes coming true.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 04:14 PM
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52. I hear a symphony
:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 07:33 AM
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83. me too
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 07:22 PM
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53. Well, now, if McCain actually does that, I may have to consider him a great patriot
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 08:05 PM
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54. Good riddance to bad rubbage.
I hope McCain takes the whole GOP down with him. The GOP has outlived its usefulness by about 28 years. It is now a dire threat to democracy and the Constitution of the United States.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 08:23 PM
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55. That is one bleak picture of Gramps against a dark lowering sky. Makes the
article almost redundant.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 08:26 PM
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 09:33 PM
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59. Rewriting history already, Mr. Frum?

FACT: The Republican Party is sinking under the weight of its own bullshit, lies, delusions, distortions and FAILED IDEAS.

McCain just happens to be the chump holding the bag right now.

With or without him, the GOP was headed right for the compost heap of history.


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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 04:25 AM
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64. GREAT news and it couldn't happen to a more rotten bunch
I hope they all go down, down, down and don't recover for decades! :evilgrin:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 04:52 AM
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66. It's amazing how afraid Frum is of the power his Neocon pals invested in the Unitary Executive...
... while THEY had control of all 3 branches of government in Washington. It's amazing how chagrined Frum is at the dismal results of embracing and coddling the ignorant fanatics of the religious far-right.

David Frum displays not one iota of insight into the damage that HIS party caused to the federal government, the civil service, the Constitution and Bill of Rights, the economy, our reputation in the world, and the American people themselves. No insight, no sense of personal consequences.

When he and his friends were celebrating the prospect of a "permanent majority" of Republicans, I certainly never heard them admit that the American people prefer a divided government. It's historically true that we do, but the Neocons and wingnuts were riding high as though their day would never end. They delighted in kicking the opposition in the teeth at every opportunity.

William Kristol has now wholeheartedly embraced Sarah Palin as a future president! Will these people never learn? She is a secessionist and a religious fanatic! What's wrong with the Neocons?!

Frum participated in this fiasco to the fullest extent possible, and now he wrings his hands and whines that it is all someone else's fault. NOW he's afraid not only of the power invested in the Executive Office by his pals, but he is afraid that criminals may be prosecuted for their crimes -- although he frames it as political payback.

I can't go on. The lot of them are disgusting, and I hope their lives are miserable forever.

Hekate


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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 04:52 AM
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67. Here's an accurate statement from that article:
"Second, the political culture of the Democratic Party has changed over the past decade. There's a fierce new anger among many liberal Democrats, a more militant style and an angry intolerance of dissent and criticism. This is the culture of the left-wing blogosphere and MSNBC's evening line-up -- and soon, it will be the culture of important political institutions in Washington.

Unchecked, this angry new wing of the Democratic Party will seek to stifle opposition by changing the rules of the political game. Some will want to silence conservative talk radio by tightening regulation of the airwaves via the misleadingly named "fairness doctrine"; others may seek to police the activities of right-leaning think tanks by a stricter interpretation of what is tax-deductible and what is not."

Fuckin A right you fascist pig bitches!!!!

Get your "Air Nazi" off the public airwaves, and to hell with your tax "deductions", otherwise known as LOOPHOLES.

Stifle opposition my ass... no one left or right should be allowed to LIE on the radio/tv and pass it off as news. That's bullshit. Scientific journals have their own "lie detector" controls.... why should news media be any different?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 06:04 AM
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71. Fierce new anger? Did this guy ever watch O'Lielly, Hannity, Limbaugh... et al.? /nt
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 06:11 AM
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72. No doubt. Though I think he meant "fierce new anger" from the Left
We are, as a group, pissed as all hell.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 06:17 AM
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73. I od'd on anger a while back, and had to give it up for hope

But his performance on Maddow was bizarre. She's calmly engaging him in a conversation, and he thinks he's on a "screamer" show.

If Rachel Maddow is representative of a "fierce new anger", then we can certainly do with more of it.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 06:25 AM
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75. I'm jealous. I was raised on a steady diet of "look out for these signs"
as a Jew. The holocaust was the nastiest incident, but our history is chok full of fascist, evil, ultranationalist takeovers. It IS happening here, even though it doesn't appear to be happening to us right now.

I'm mad as all fucking hell. And I'll exercise that anger if they try to come for the gay peopl and/or the muslims.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 08:08 AM
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84. Found a sign just this morning

Had to explain this one to my son on the way to school today:



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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 10:14 AM
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86. What in the hell??? You should put a sign next to it
that says "Question?????? Who is a racist moron?"
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 10:23 AM
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87. Oh we got him fixed....

He's a Prudential Realtor, and that's a company sign he painted over to make that thing.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 10:33 AM
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89. Oooooo gut him like a fish! n/t
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machI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 05:32 AM
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70. Kick
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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 06:25 AM
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74. The Republican Party DESERVES to be taken down.
Edited on Mon Oct-27-08 06:25 AM by MonteLukast
For making our country a dumber, poorer, meaner, dirtier, sicker, more lizard-brainy place, they deserve to be out in the wilderness for an entire generation.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 06:47 AM
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76. FUCK YOU FRUM
Edited on Mon Oct-27-08 06:54 AM by JI7
2nd part of his article is shit. he is still angry about Rachel Maddow and knocks MSNBC. i hope Rachel and/or Keith call him out on it.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 06:50 AM
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77. LOL! He's running his campaign the same way the GOP has run the country.
He's using the same tactics the GOP has used since the late 60's. McCain isn't dragging down the GOP. The voting public has shot down the GOP. McCain just happens to be one of them.

What do these idiots expect? They've run the country into the ground by being the blind fools they are. It's taken since the 1980's to do it but McCain is suppose to overcome the huge hole they've dug in a few months of campaigning. He's suppose to win and carry them all with him while the country as a whole is floundering and if he can't then it's his fault and his fault alone.

Typical Republicans. No sense of guilt. No acceptance of personal responsibility or shared responsibility for the damage they've done. Unable to accept their defeat for what it is, a repudiation of the last 8 years. It's all John McCain's fault!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 06:51 AM
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78. Actually, I Disagree
I think it started when the giggling murderer started the repuglican trend and habit of stealing elections.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 06:54 AM
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79. Its all about TRUST...and thanks to the Bush /GOP Combo...its been LOST
McCold/Palin will be blamed for the loss but its deeper than them 2...its the WHOLE PUB PARTY abd their arrogance/hubris/ignorance.
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 07:13 AM
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80.  We cannot let this be framed as McCain caused the republican loss.
That is what the NeoCons want people to believe. It is America who is denouncing the NeoCon raping of our country and it's incestuous marriage to the extremist far right Christian hate fest.

McCain did not have back bone enough to stand up to them. He could not even win his parties primary until he sold his soul to the extremist. What McCain did not understand was he lost either way. He could not stay a conservative and win his parties nomination yet America is sick and tired of the NeoCon polices of George Bush.

No this McCain thing was planned out by the NeoCon/Extremist it is what they needed to happen. They needed a fall guy and being short on comprehension made McCain the obvious choice.

The blame needs to be place firmly where it belongs. The hate of the far right Christians needs to be firmly denounced along with the aimless and often expansionist polices of the NeoCons. Without blame they will continue to be a festering wound on this great land.

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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 07:13 AM
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81. John McCain is my HERO!
He's destroying the GOP for us!
What a guy!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 07:14 AM
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82. It's a good thing. - let them scamper DEEP into the woodwork this time.
;)
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RobertDevereaux Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 08:14 AM
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85. Well let's HOPE so!
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 10:24 AM
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88. The GOP is
Edited on Mon Oct-27-08 10:27 AM by PATRICK
personally in McCain and collectively in all its members and circles a deserving cause of all of this. It isn't as if McCain had forced himself competitively into a democratic process and bungled it, he was a disaster right from the get go. The sorry troupe that the Bush circle had with sorry pretense quietly molded and edited was the worst job interview scam in party history. McCain and his advisers had shown miserable incompetence in his trip to the Iraq market- a candidacy killer which though edited out of MSM memory was but a prelude to disastrous lack of political skills that Bush scamming had pre-empted in 2000. Scraping the garbage can with their silver spoons the Bush dynasty has finally succeeded in poisoning itself and the GOP to death.

McCain is an unworthy scapegoat among vast competition. It works in a pitiful, last squeeze of distraction way to help Bushites duck the whole blame for ruining entirely the open primary process from behind the scenes.

There is nothing, not in quality or quantity of rotten smears that any GOP Bush goon would not have repeated, with more or less adroitness or distance, would have done against Obama. In fact they were already done with deplorable infections in the Hillary campaign. The empty hate filled shell met with the hammer of reality, of real failure, and the fake they propped up has done what they all do, sped up their
real world decline into the gutter. They ruled by it. They can lie in it.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 10:39 AM
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90. The Republicans are trying to place blame, but they are ALL at fault.
Ever since the 1960s the Republicans have been the party of corruption, fear-mongering, lies, and dirty tricks. They have nothing to run on - everything they claim to believe in has turned to ash.

The "Reagan Revolution" was just a con to enable corporations to rack up the profits while throwing everything else away. A few thousand have benefited greatly from this Republican mess, but everyone else has suffered. Using despicable lies and fear tactics the Republicans managed to convince anywhere from 30% to 50% of the country that guns, God, and gays were the biggest issues facing the country.

It's been one big con ever since the 1960s, and it's finally collapsing.
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