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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 03:56 PM
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Need rebuttal help on the birth certificate/Philip Berg thing
Got an email from my former boss who likes to poke at me with the RW talking points. I got the LA Times piece and the FactCheck.org piece, but looking for some debunking/rebuttal

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 03:58 PM
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1. Nothing to debunk. The burden of proof is on those making the claim. Tell him that.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 03:59 PM
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2. Laugh at them
Anyone who thinks they have a better handle on the facts than the FBI, CIA, The State Department, and the Federal Elections people may as well think they are a gin and tonic or a wedge of lemon.

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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:00 PM
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3. Exactly so.
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CGrantt57 Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:02 PM
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4. Here's the link.
The Obama campaign posted his birth certificate on the web in June, I believe.



Regards,

Mike
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:04 PM
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6. Much Appreciated
Thanks!
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:03 PM
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5. just bounce it back to him, he doesn't deserve your time or energy.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:06 PM
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7. Show him the raised seal at FactCheck, and tell him to prove it is false. nt
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Sweet Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:09 PM
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8. Snopes
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-birth.htm

Barack Obama Cannot Be President Because He's Not a Natural-Born Citizen of the U.S.
Fiction!

All of these claims are intentional hoaxes, including the version that claims to be
from Thomas Sowell.  Somebody simply tacked his name onto the eRumor.

First, Hawaii became a part of the United States in 1959 Barack
Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 so his birth was in the United States,
not just a U.S. territory. Obama has posted his birth certificate on
his web site. http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
Even if he had been born in Hawaii when it was a U.S.
territory, he would still be regarded as a citizen. According to The
Immigration and Nationality Act, Title III, SEC. 305. <8 U.S.C. 1405>,

person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the
United States at birth. Republican candidate John McCain was born in Panama
and is considered to be a U.S. citizen under the same act. McCain was born
on a U.S. military base and both of his parents were U.S. citizens.

Since Obama was born in Hawaii, the issue of the citizenship of his mother
is not relevant, but the law cited in the eRumor about having just one
parent with U.S. citizenship applied to persons born outside of the United
States (or specified U.S. territories). Between December 24, 1952
and November 13, 1986, the law specified that if you were born outside of
the United States and only one of your parents was a citizen, that parent
must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least 5
of which were after the age of 16. That would have applied to Obama
only if he had not been born in the United States or a specified U.S.
territory.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:18 PM
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10. Thanks!
Much Appreciated!!!!!


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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:14 PM
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9. send him McCain's Panama Canal Zone birth cert and ask for proof!
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