Who I think Joe the Plumber is

[AllentownJake]

Joe the Plumber is the standard RW idiot neighbor we all have. You know the guy who steals your yard signs every election cycle, trys to engage you in political discussion on your way out of the house and than repeats word for word every damn thing Sean Hannity, Rush, or O'reilley said the day before. He's a guy of modest means but for some crazy reason, whether it be his NRA membership, Religous views, or self hatred of his station in life and belief that he's on the cusp of being one of the rich guys despite how bad the deck is stacked against him and when he becomes of those guys the liberals are going to take all his money. Joe doesn't understand that without an education that his chances while not 0 are small for breaking from the lower middle class to the upper middle class.

That's right Joe is the neighbor who votes against his own economic interest every election cycle because he's bought the RW talking points that getting help up the economic ladder either through targetted tax cuts or education makes him weak.

He isn't a McCain plant, he isn't probably even a McCain volunteer. His way of supporting his candidate is limited probably to throwing up a McCain yard sign in his neighborhood to waive it in the face of his liberal neighbors who just scratch their head. He heard Obama was coming and went to the event to show that liberal what's up. If he was a plant from the McCain campaign his story would have at least been fact checked a little bit and a simple background check would have been conducted to avoid embarrasment. Well maybe not they are pretty incompetent but he seems to me like people I know in my own life.

[nichomachus]

1. Actually, he's my brother in law. (or just his twin)

[The Magistrate]

2. And Now, Sir, He Is a Man Without Much In the Way Of Employment....

Normally that would strike me as a thing to be regretted, but not in this instance....

[JuniperLea]

9. Karma seems cruel to those who mock her...

All of nature seeks a balance:)

[The Magistrate]

14. Indeed, Ma'am

And if restoring a man's movement to proper harmony with the flow of the universe puts his head right where a cinder-block wall stands presently, that is but the way of Heaven, and best for all concerned....

[JuniperLea]

15. This or something better...

Yes... best for all concerned:)

[Jackpine Radical]

3. Your theory is pretty much the same as mine.

One of those people who exist primarily to keep the word "schmuck" from going extinct due to disuse.

[gateley]

4. Pretty much in agreement with you except he actually said some

things that surprised me -- like do your own research, make up your own mind, don't listen to me or anybody else. You don't usually hear "those" people saying intelligent things.

Other than that, I think you're right on.

[AllentownJake]

13. He also said

I'm sorry for apologizing for being an American and the democrats doing that...I've never apologized or not felt proud for my citizenship. I have felt apologetic over the action of my government. There is a big difference. Accepting your country is right no matter what is dangerous.

[kirby]

5. And while he rants against the 'welfare state' and 'big gubmint'...

He is a fucking tax cheat and is breaking the law by working as a plumber without a license.

[maxsolomon]

6. not an idiot

he's gullible, he buys the RW argument against taxes because he's GOING to be rich someday. if he changed his diet of AM talk-radio to one rich in Amy Goodman fiber, he has the ability to change.

you say him treat Obama as if he was reasonable.

[Gold Metal Flake]

7. I can haz free ride?

[yardwork]

8. He lives in a fantasy world where he's wealthy and would benefit from McCain's policies.

Joe the Plumber doesn't want to admit to himself that he's actually one of the majority who would benefit from Democratic policies. He wants to believe that he's one of the elite, so he votes as if he's one of the elite.

There are millions of Joes out there who vote against their own interests. They appear to have been brainwashed into some kind of mass hysteria in which they firmly believe that one day soon they too will be millionaires. How they will get there from here is anyone's guess.

[AllentownJake]

11. They don't understand

The trickle down system is designed to keep things trickling down by a few people not to create more people to trickle things down to the masses.

[TheKentuckian]

10. I agree, except for the last paragraph

McCain could very well pull an unresearched guy just like this as a plant, I mean that is exactly what he did for his VP selection. If you're that stupid and sloppy with a Vice Presidential selection then your run of the mill operatives could have just as easily fell off the last turnip truck that went by.

Same deal with the token black guy at the rally. It was like 100 milliseconds before that one was shown to be a Reich Wing talk jock.

McCain is stupid. More stupid than Bush, easily and that's why the Republiscum made the right call in 2000 and why the maniac must never be President.

[AllentownJake]

12. I guess it is possible they are that incompetent

I know from submitting people in my neighboorhood team to speak at events or even say the Pledge of Allegiance the Obama campaign vets their background and the background of their back-up person.

[FraDon]

16. • So sorry, he's a plant ("Can I call you Joe?); he was a set-up for the final debate.

Listen to the first words, the script, the framing, the follow-up, talking points and stalking points. Whether or not these early attempts at vetting this "Joe P. SixPack" by the googlesphere prove me right, these tantalizing, emerging factoids SO reminded of Scott Hinckley.

[FatDave]

17. He's just your typical right-wing asshole.

A freeper. A dittohead. He thought he could trip Obama up and didn't. I'm sure it went much better in his head. Now he's the latest darling of the right. Who fucking cares.