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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:51 AM
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McCain: Last Debate Will Probably Include Ayers
Speaking on St. Louis radio, the candidate says Obama’s recent comments have “probably ensured” the former Weather Underground leader will come up in Wednesday’s debate.

“I was astonished to hear him say that he was surprised I didn’t have the guts” to talk about Ayers last week.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/14/mccain-last-debate-will-probably-include-ayers/
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:52 AM
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1. Good. Obama will have an even bigger audience to
inform on the issue. After he does, they will see even more what a NON issue this is.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:53 AM
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4. Oh, maybe I should forward this to mccrap....


Hi Everyone, I was curious about the facts on Bill Ayers, and all the
accusations made about his ties with Obama. So I found what I was looking
for and thought I'd share..I actually like this guy..

And just to add a few thoughts..Who wasn't a radical in the 60's and 70's
when it came to stopping the war in Vietnam. No one was hurt, that wasn't
the intention as with your typical "terrorist." Give me a break people,
seriously

10 things to know about Bill Ayers
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October 12, 2008

BY ABDON M. PALLASCH AND CHRIS FUSCO Staff Reporters
John McCain is hammering Barack Obama about his ties to Chicago educator
Bill Ayers, co-founder of the Weather Underground, a group that used
violence in the 1960s and 1970s to try to end the Vietnam War.

For a week now, the McCain-Palin ticket has been making Ayers an issue. And
the attacks continued Friday, with an ad that calls Ayers the "leader of a
terrorist group that bombed the U.S. Capitol." The ad also says "Obama's
first campaign was launched at a gathering at Mr. Ayers' home."


Bill Ayers has declined to comment to the Sun-Times or any other media since
Sen. Hillary Clinton first raised his name in the Democratic primary.
(Sun-Times files)


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But is everything the Republicans are saying true? Here's a look at the
Obama-Ayers relationship.

1. Was Ayers the leader of a terrorist group?

The FBI labeled the Weather Underground "a domestic terrorist group" whose
members took credit for bombings of the U.S. Capitol, Pentagon and other
government buildings. The bombings were designed to cause property damage,
not hurt people. Ayers never has been accused of killing anybody.

But three Weather Underground members accidentally killed themselves while
making bombs in New York City in 1970. In 1981, two police officers and a
security guard were killed when other members of the group committed an
armed robbery.

2. How long was Ayers "underground"?

Ayers and his wife, Weather Underground member Bernardine Dohrn, were on the
lam 10 years before surrendering in 1980.

3. Were they ever convicted of "terrorism" charges?

No. Ayers faced federal riot and bombing-conspiracy charges, but those
charges were dropped because of illegal wiretaps, break-ins and mail
interceptions by authorities. Dohrn served less than a year behind bars for
non-bombing activities tied to the group.

4. How are Ayers and Dohrn viewed now?

At least before this campaign, they were mainly seen as respected college
professors. After getting his doctorate in education at Columbia University,
Ayers joined the University of Illinois, where he gained a national
reputation pushing innovative -- some say controversial -- approaches to
educating at-risk youth. Dohrn has a national reputation for pushing reforms
of the juvenile justice system. Ayers has published 15 books. He sits on
civic boards with Mayor Daley, who in 1997 awarded Ayers the city's "Citizen
of the Year" award. Ayers and Dohrn live in Hyde Park, not far from the
Obamas.

5. So how well do Ayers and Obama know each other?

Ayers and Obama served on separate boards associated with the Chicago
Annenberg Challenge, an education-reform group that Obama began chairing in
March 1995 and continued to work with through 2000. Ayers served on the
Chicago School Reform Collaborative, which made recommendations to the board
on grant awards during those years. Ayers and Obama occasionally would see
each other in those roles.

Also, Ayers served alongside Obama between December 1999 and December 2002
on the board of the not-for-profit Woods Fund of Chicago. That board met
four times a year, and members would see each other at dinners the group
hosted.

The RNC's statement that "Obama's first campaign was launched at a gathering
at Mr. Ayers' home" stems from a 1995 "meet-and-greet" coffee that Ayers and
Dohrn held for Obama at their home when Obama was making his first run for
the Illinois Senate. Obama's presidential campaign has described the event
as an opportunity for Ayers and Dohrn to introduce Obama to their neighbors.

In 2001, Ayers gave $200 to Obama's campaign. A year ago, the two met
walking through the neighborhood where they both live.

6. How does Ayers respond to the Republicans' charges?

He doesn't. He has declined to comment to the Sun-Times or any other media
since Sen. Hillary Clinton first raised him as a potential problem for Obama
in April during the Democratic primary.

7. What does Obama say about Ayers?

During a primary debate, Obama underplayed his relationship with Ayers:
"This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in
Chicago, who I know, and who I have not received some official endorsement
from," Obama said. "He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular
basis. The notion that somehow, as a consequence of me knowing somebody who
engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old somehow
reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense."

8. Is it fair for McCain to criticize Obama on this issue?

Factcheck.org has this take: "Voters may differ in how they see Ayers, or
how they see Obama's interactions with him. We're making no judgment calls
on those matters. What we object to are the McCain-Palin campaign's attempts
to sway voters -- in ads and on the stump -- with false and misleading
statements about the relationship, which was never very close. And Ayers is
more than a former 'terrorist,' he's also a well-known figure in the field
of education."

9. Has Ayers ever apologized for what he did with the Weather Underground?

Not exactly. In 2001, Ayers told the Sun-Times he regretted that "people
were hurt, that three of my dear friends were killed, that we were stupid,
immature, intolerant and unwise. I regret that I hurt people's feelings." He
did not regret "throwing myself as wholeheartedly as I could figure out into
opposition to war and to the system of racial injustice."

A review of Ayers' memoir Fugitive Days that appeared in the New York Times
on Sept. 11, 2001, quoted Ayers saying, "I don't regret setting bombs. I
feel we didn't do enough." Three days after the terrorist attacks, Ayers
clarified: "My memoir is, from start to finish, a condemnation of terrorism
. . ."

10. Are all former alleged terrorists/radicals shunned?

No. Former IRA bomber Gerry Adams is welcomed at the White House as a
peacemaker. Former PLO leader Yasser Arafat was too. Former Students for a
Democratic Society member and Ayers friend Tom Hayden was elected to the
California State Assembly. Former Black Panther Bobby Rush is a congressman
representing Chicago, as is former Puerto Rican independence activist Luis
Gutierrez.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:53 AM
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2. And Obama can also inform the audience about the Keating 5. nt
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occe Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:53 AM
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3. Hmm
I wonder how much he'll talk about Ayers in this debate. I think Obama will be able to fight back.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:54 AM
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5. Correction--Obama will tell the truth, again, but this time it will reach more poeple.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:55 AM
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6. heh, McCain's feigned shock is so old. Go back to SNL for that play acting, buddy.
I think that Biden framed this in a great way yesterday on Hardball "Well, we've seen that he is growing uncomfortable with the type of language/false implications that his campaign is throwing around...if he brings up Ayers, I think he'll regret it for the rest of his life..." Makes him look really shitty if he treats it as a serious subject in the debate, but like a wuss if he doesn't bring it up. I'm sure they've prepared Obama for his response.
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:56 AM
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7. Oh please John, Please don't throw me
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 09:57 AM by SurfingAtWork
In the Ayers briar patch. Anything but that!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:10 AM
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15. One almost thinks McCain's handlers are too stupid
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 10:10 AM by depakid
or blinded by hate to consider that....
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Schulzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:57 AM
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8. Yeah, give Obama a chance to debunk the smear with a huge audience and even tell him before!
How stupid is he? :crazy:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:00 AM
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9. thanks, moron mccain, for telegraphing what you intend to do.
it's a little late, but I recommend you read "The Art Of War".
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:00 AM
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10. I think he must do it...
he doesn't have a choice. He either can look Obama in the eye and ask the 'questions that need to be answered', or he is a coward.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:01 AM
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11. "I'll have (1) from Column A, and (1) from Column B"
whatta prick.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:07 AM
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12. Take the bait, John! Please, take the bait! nt
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:07 AM
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13. He doesn't have the stones, and if he should somehow shoehorn
Ayers into the debate Obama will devastate it once and for all.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:07 AM
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14. VP Biden said in an interview yesterday " It would be the biggest mistake of
John's career" to do that in his debate, he was talking to Tweety. He even reiterated that point.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:12 AM
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16. From his verbage, sounds like he's relying on the moderator to bring it up....
... otherwise, I dont think he'll do it. It's simply too risky.

I mean, I realize there's times to kick a field goal from your own 30 yard line at the end of the game ...... but we aren't QUITE there yet.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:07 PM
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17. If Schieffer brings it up (and I honestly don't think he will...except
for the Wes Clark flap, Schieffer's been pretty impartial), it gives Obama a perfect opportunity to slap it down and deny McCain the opportunity to spout conspiracy theory.
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