Question - does DU believe we'll have a legitimate election on 11/04 or

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will we face another voting problem plagued election like in 2000 - and electronic voting machine shortages and malfunctions as was experienced in Ohio in the 2004 election?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

1. We'll swamp 'em.

[Posteritatis]

2. At this point I think it'll be plagued but the Dems will win anyway (nt)

[flowomo]

3. there will be problems, but it will be legitimate...

n/t

[BrklynLiberal]

4. I hope with all my heart and soul that it is a legitimate election.

But of course, there must be precautions and watchful eyes everywhere. I have no doubt that the repukes will try to steal anything that they can possibly steal.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

5. the GOP are so desperate that anything is possible now

for them they have a lot hidden and they don't want it to come out.

[prolesunited]

6. We just have to get enough votes

to cancel out all of their dirty tricks. They can only steal it again if it's close.

[Lint Head]

7. It will not be legitimate. It will be as legitimate as the bail out.

:dem:

[Mz Pip]

8. Why do we continue to

attribute super powers to these creeps? I do not discount the possibility of some dirty tricks but a widespread voter conspiracy fraud without anyone seeing it, recognizing it, or uncovering it is a bit absurd.

Do only corrupt republican politicians work for the manufacturers of voting machines? Do only corrupt republican operatives volunteer in primarily democratic precincts? Was 2006 some Rovian plot to lull us all into some false sense of complacency or maybe, just maybe did we actually win?

Are we really that helpless? Are we really that incompetent? Seems to me the republicans are the incompetent ones. If they were so devious and competent they would have engineered a much more viable candidate than McCain/Palin.

[D23MIURG23]

15. Yes - thank you.

Its a shame this kind of logic eludes so many on this site.

[snake in the grass]

17. They don't have super powers.

The problem is, Democratic representatives are too cowardly to hold them to account. Who can forget Corrine Brown in 2000 begging for one senator to sign the objection to the certification. One fucking senator with some balls or ovaries could have stopped this. Instead we heard crickets chirping. We have been betrayed time and time again by worthless slugs like Leahey, Reid, Pelosi, Hoyer, and others in both houses whose names I prefer not to mention at this time as I don't want to start another crazy internecine war. I hope we can slowly clean out the manure in the next few years. It's time for some new blood.

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9. “2008 Election will be stolen, here’s how” - Greg Palast

Palast claims to have 500 emails that the House subpoenaed and Karl Rove claims were deleted forever. They prove definitively, says Palast, that the Justice Department is infested with operatives taking orders from Rove to steal upcoming elections for Republicans and permanently alter the Department.”

This isn’t new and not any mention of this in the media after the 2000 elections however, we are left wondering if there has been more voting crimes in the past and or if there will be more voting crimes committed in the future. Greg Palast seems to agree that this is just the beginning. (they've already done it to us twice)
http://polidics.com/news/2008-election-will-be-stolen-heres-how-greg-palast.html

[Lorentz]

10. Really...

If he has this indisputable evidence and wants to prevent this apparently obvious theft from happening, surely he's going to do more than just write a little op-ed piece about it on an arbitrary website. What's his real plan to rally the citizens of the US against this unconstitutional and illegal act?

[D23MIURG23]

14. This isn't credible.

If he has these emails where the hell are they? This type of thing is why we have Wikileaks and the judicial system.

[PBS Poll-435]

11. Something like 2006.

We will win, but not by the margins that we should have.

Deborah Price, Doolittle, Heather Wilson, and Crazy Ol' Mean Jean Schmidt should have bit the big one.

But they didn't. :grr:

[D23MIURG23]

12. I think there are going to be dirty tricks...

but I don't think there is some foolproof conspiracy to steal the election for McCain. I personally think that some of the election theft conspiracies on DU are over the top.

[D23MIURG23]

13. Dupe - self delete

[salguine]

16. I think it'll be stolen, and they'll get away with it, and

the transformation of the United States into a theo-corporate fascist state will be complete.

I'll believe I'm wrong when Obama is sworn in. Until then, this is my prediction.

[TheKentuckian]

18. I think we win despite shenanigans

If they somehow screw us then we should mob the capital by the tens of millions.

[magdalena]

19. I think (hope, pray) we will because that means

Obama will be our next president. However, over the last few days I have been noticing the massive amount of time various MSM sources have been devoting to illustrating the possibility of an electoral vote tie. The sheer volume of said coverage struck me as odd so immediately the tinfoil went on. If this were to happen the president will be chosen by the NEW congress in 2009. Sure we maintain the majority of the house and senate right now, but what if the pugs were to gain control of it this election? I can plausibly see this happening due to the current economic crisis. MSM has been pushing this bailout as a dem proposal --- and the house republicans are the folks fighting it tooth and nail. Polls show most Americans are fiercely against it. Bailout goes through, America is pissed at the democrats, pugs easily get their congressional seats back. So with an electoral vote tie - new pugs get sworn in and their first order of business is to elect our president. All looks nice and legitimate. Of course I'd imagine there would have to be some kind of election shenanigans to end up with an electoral vote tie.

Obviously just a theory that in about 5 minutes I haven't thought out too well. I'm not trying to be "concerned" or alarmist. The last 8 years and 2 elections have left me so disillusioned that any actions taken by BushCo and pugs in general are immediately suspect. With that said, I'm going to continue to fight as hard as I can for Obama to WIN this November.

[Lorentz]

20. Congress will be kept under Dem control. An EV tie will result in Pres. Obama. Stop worrying.

[magdalena]

21. Not worried about it.

Just throwing out a theory on how an election could be quietly "stolen".

[Borgnine]

22. I think it's leaning too heavily towards Obama at this point.

They got away with it in 2004 because the thing was so very close right up until the end. 2008 will be different, and unless one of McCain's crazy ass stunts finally works, I doubt the polls are going to do anything but widen from now until November.

However, we need to be wary of what narrative they may try to spin in case they decide to steal the fucking thing anyway. In 2004, it was two: "Value voters" turned out in droves (and lied to exit pollsters), and that damn slacking youth failed to show up to vote. Both lies, but one that the public more or less bought. I could see them trying the latter this time around, pushing it hard to cover up their manufactured Obama loss.