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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 07:26 PM
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----Follow-up to Palm Beach County Missing Votes!!--You're going to love this----
NOT, LOL. I swear....they better get their shit together. For those reading this for the first time, this was from our recent local election. Ballots went missing, then were thought to have been thrown out, because they were in black GARBAGE BAGS, and now apparently, they have found them, but that's not the kicker;

Missing ballots found and then some!
WEST PALM BEACH, FL -- You hate to say it, but only in Palm Beach County.

First elections officials said there were almost 3,500 ballots unaccounted for.

Now, after an intensive re-re-count by hand, they say they have 139 too many ballots when compared with the original election night total.
"We are no longer short ballots. We have more ballots," announced County Commissioner and canvassing board member Mary McCarty.

How could it happen?

Well, first the shortage. Human error, say officials.

Hundreds of ballots were uncounted during the first re-count, because precincts were broken-up into several boxes or several precincts were placed in one box.

Those tallying up the numbers may have completely skipped precingcts or parts of precincts.

"I actually think this is a horrible blessing in disguise," said McCarty, "Because it's giving us a chance to show where the vulnerablities are in the system."

As for the overage, officials say they've traced at least 110 ballots back to a single precinct in Delray Beach. Precinct 4072. A Baptist church on Military Trail.

The electronic cartridge in the voting machine recorded the votes, say officials, but they were never transfered when they reached the tabulation center.

The theory is that the remaining excess 139 ballots may have a similar explaination.

"So we will continue that process to determine if there are other cartidges that have been misread or totalled zero," said Assistant County Administrator Brad Merriman.

Meanwhile, the company that builds the voting machines, Sequoia Voting Systems, was deflecting any blame.

The compnay's representative, Phil Foster says "the cartridge is fine. Why it didn't read I do not know," suggesting another human error made on election night.

In the end, election officials say they now have 102,772 ballots in-hand.

Whether the 110 ballots from Delray Beach or the 139 from still unknown precincts would be enough to make a difference in any single race is not clear except the judge's race that got this whole re-count started.

The race between Richard Winnet and Bill Abramson ended with a spread of just 60 votes.

That's a small enough margin, perhaps, to change the outcome.

Abramson, behind in the vote, says a re-count by hand once the numbers are finalized seems in order.

"That will be the next step to make sure every ballot is counted for and every vote counts," he said.

Abramson says the most important thing is that the voters of Palm Beach County get an accurate election result.

On Monday, officials will outline policy and procedural changes they plan to make to ensure this sort of thing doesn't happen again.

They also believe that over the weekend they'll be able to figure out where most, if not all, of those 139 ballots came from.

http://www.wptv.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=a07a3599-e75c-4c69-89a2-75e800ca8905



I don't have much confidence about the upcoming election, they have ruined it for me. We even have a new supervisor of elections, since the last fiasco. (I don't think this one is any better though)
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 07:28 PM
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1. Florida = Deceit.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 08:11 PM
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2. No, Florida = fuckups.
not deceit. I just don't know why we can't get someone with half a brain to run this thing.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 08:24 PM
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5. You dont think it is at all deliberate?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:10 PM
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8. No, just stupidity.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 08:16 PM
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3. I think Florida should just..
pick a name out of a hat.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 08:20 PM
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4. since they're counting them by hand anyway, why don't they just paper and pencil??
I guess that would be too intelligent ...

and too fair.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 08:30 PM
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6. I would suggest that that also, however,
they would still find a way to commit election fraud. Overprint ballots, and have an operative fill them out for whomever they want to "win", the outcome of the election.




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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:13 PM
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9. Well, they changed the system since he primary too....
We had touch screens back then, so hopefully, they will get this worked out before November, but I'm just not real confident. I just don't understand what the fucking problem is. I mean, I think I could walk right in to the supervisor of elections job, and get it right the first time. I don't think they are training these people at all, which goes back to the SOE. And even he's fairly new. :eyes:
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 08:34 PM
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7. Here's what jumped out to me....
As for the overage, officials say they've traced at least 110 ballots back to a single precinct in Delray Beach. Precinct 4072. A Baptist church on Military Trail.

The electronic cartridge in the voting machine recorded the votes, say officials, but they were never transfered when they reached the tabulation center.

The theory is that the remaining excess 139 ballots may have a similar explaination.

"So we will continue that process to determine if there are other cartidges that have been misread or totalled zero," said Assistant County Administrator Brad Merriman.

Meanwhile, the company that builds the voting machines, Sequoia Voting Systems, was deflecting any blame.

The compnay's representative, Phil Foster says "the cartridge is fine. Why it didn't read I do not know," suggesting another human error made on election night.



Yea, that's the ticket.:eyes:





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