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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:50 PM
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Polls go up and down. Does that imply a group people switching back and forth?
I find that preposterous, if true.

Does anyone here know someone going back and forth? These days? When things are SO partisan?

I think the answers is that the polls are manipulated in method, mischarecterized, misreported and misunderstood.

Obfuscation.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:52 PM
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1. I suspect it's because they poll a different sampling all the time.
Of course, if I'm right, that means that their extrapolation model is BS!
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:52 PM
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2. I think some people really do go back and forth.
Damned if I understand it,though.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:53 PM
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3. Think they move around after the convention
then maybe a little more after the debates...but other wise no...debates made some comfee with Obama...and excited about Palin....other than that ..I think after the first debate...that is where we will be at...
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:55 PM
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4. I had Poll statistics and analysis with my Pol/Sci degree
Plus Methodology in grad school

Its not a mystery, but their methodology is really lacking these days.
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StrongBad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:55 PM
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5. I've thought this exact same thing.
My first thought was similar: Why are people so fickle and apt to change their mind at the slightest publicized event?

I'm sure there are a portion of people like that. I also think that these different results also have to do with imperfect statistical methods that always have 3 point or more margin of error. In a race that seems to be dead even, those 3 points can give a wide range of results.
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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:57 PM
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6. I think it's because of the disparity in sample size and demographics
Some polls have more Democrats, some more Republicans, some more Men, some more women, etc.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:00 PM
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8. I don't see how that could NOT be the case.
Flip a coin twice, you may not get a 50:50 ratio of heads to tails.

Flip it 20,000 times and you will get VERY close to a 50:50 ratio.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:00 PM
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9. Their sample size of independents, repugs and democrats is not
weighted accurately or sampled correctly.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:58 PM
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7. Our good DUer phrigndumass has some good graphs
that illustrate what is going on. It does seem to be the same 10% changing their minds. They are the men, BTW:

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