Obama to McGreenscreen: 'Did you pay attention to the last two days of your convention?'

[jefferson_dem]

Obama Finds Curious McCain's Plea to Reduce Partisan Rancor

September 06, 2008 7:57 PM

In Indiana today, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., expressed bemusement at Sen. John McCain's nomination acceptance speech.

"I have to say, when John McCain says in his speech that he wants to reduce the rancor in Washington ... and I’m thinking, 'Did you pay attention to the last two days of your convention?'" Obama asked.

"I mean, What? Were you not, were you not watching?" Obama continued. "Did they not get the memo?

"You know, there’s got to be some consistency in how you approach these things," Obama said, "There’s nothing wrong with a vigorous debate because the parties have very real differences. But when it starts getting personal, when you start just focusing exclusively on trying to tear the other person down instead of what you are going to do on behalf of the American people to deal with this economy, then that’s not serving Democrats, that’s not serving Republicans, that’s not serving anybody and that’s the kind of politics we want to put to an end when I’m President of the United States."

-- Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-finds-cur.html

[Muttocracy]

1. Obama's appearance today was full of great lines. nt

[dog_lovin_dem]

51. My husband and I were there today.

The "historically republican" hoosier crowd LOVED Barack's quips. It was more than awesome!

[MadMaddie]

65. Awesome!

Welcome to DU!:hi:

[DaLittle Kitty]

70. Obama IS A kool kustomer... Should be a good campaign!

:)

[dog_lovin_dem]

71. Thanks for the welcome!

I've been lurking since November '04 and signed up in 2005. I obviously don't post much!

[Catshrink]

73. I'm so jealous...

I don't think Obama plans on visiting Arizona. He should -- people here don't like McSame much. I rarely see a McSame bumper sticker -- far more Obama's.

[dog_lovin_dem]

76. I just read a thread

that says Obama is opening a campaign office in Arizona. Maybe he'll surprise you! :)
I told my son that this was the second most exciting day of my life...the first being the day he was born. He said, "Of course. You just saw the next president of the United States." It was a fantastic experience.

[renate]

77. i like your son

Glad you've started posting!

[Kajsa]

90. Catshrink, I live in Orange County, CA- Repub Central.

In the last two days I've seen approx. 14 'Obama' bumper stickers
vs. 1 'McCain' bumper sticker.
That's really saying something down here- Repubs abound here!

i can't wait to get my stickers in the mail.

:) :hi:

[jpertello]

103. My Obama bumper sticker

gets some interesting responses.

Anything from "GOBAMA!" to "Oh my, you MUST be kidding!". I even had one fellow Dem (a stranger) engage me in a serious discussion about Joe Biden.


The other day I met a lovely lady at the mall who was decked out in Obama gear. shirt, hat, pins, etc. I told her I LOVED her outfit! She seemed so pleased to hear that!
I think a lot of Obama supporters are afraid to put their $$$ where their mouths are. In other words, it's all well and good to SAY you support him, but a lot of folks are too embarrassed to put up a yard sign, put a bumper sticker their car or wear a "YES WE CAN" shirt!

[Kajsa]

105. You may have something, there.

My sign is going up as soon as I get it!

:)

[Muttocracy]

102. yay! sometimes it's hard to tell when you're already on one side so I love hearing that. nt

[grannylib]

2. Exactimundo! Call 'em on their bullshit and don't quit.

[BumRushDaShow]

3. Oh snap!

[Arkana]

4. If the media's not going to call them out, Barack'll do it for them.

Well done in expressing the complete disconnect between all the other speeches and McCain's speech.

[Kdillard]

5. Amen. Call him out Barack.

[bjobotts]

98. Repeat it over and over so it rebounds in the collective unconsciousness

[bjobotts]

99. Repeat "President Barack Obama, President Barack Obama, President Barack Obama, President Barack

Send it out into the collective unconsciousness and it will keep rebounding til it becomes a reality.
We must keep this neocon war monger McCain from being president...our very lives will depend on it. The guy is a joke with his pathetic evil grin...how can anyone still be supporting this guy. We are dealing with the party of Bush,Cheney, Guiliani, McCain, Romney, Palin,Rumsfeld, Feith, Kristol, Rove, Mukasey, Gonzales...a whole phone book full of pathetic war mongering dogs. We must stop them because they are dismantling our democracy for their own personal greed.

President Barack Obama is just the beginning. A wrench in the machinery of the corporatocracy.

[Epiphany4z]

6. Is he good

or what! GOBAMA!!!!

[No Elephants]

47. Yes, he is very good.

[rucognizant]

101. ANd did you see Biden with Brokaw?

It was 2 adults, Brokaw savy enough about Foreign Affairs,to ask Biden the right questions.. And getting back savy answers!
What a treat!

[Warren Stupidity]

7. He keeps giving me hope that he can pull this off.

And I just volunteered to canvass my neighbors through the campaign's new online system, and so should you:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/votercontact

[BlueIdaho]

8. I love this guy!

McCain = Polka

Obama = Cool Jazz

[Bette Noir]

68. No, polka is too cool for McCain.

[kristopher]

79. McCain = JP Sousa on crack. nt

[La Coliniere]

81. Sorry but,

I happen to know quite a bit about polka music (and jazz) - my dad was a polka musician and I grew up with that happy polish beat. American polka music is very diverse.
Eastern style polka music is fast, loud, snappy, and exhilarating. It's played by larger type bands with plenty of brass and amplification. It rocks!
Then there's Chicago style polka. Li'l Wally (Walter Jagiello) a Chicago resident for many years, is known as the father of this style of polka. Cut down to clarinet, drums, and most importantly, accordion or concertina, Chicago style polka bands play music that is SOULFUL, hypnotic and earthy. It swings!
Now we come to what is known as Milwaukee style polka, Frankie Yankovic, yes the father of Weird Al Yankovic, was pretty much the creator of this style of polka. Milwaukee polka is heavily influenced by the oompah-oompah sound of German lederhosen type music, the kind of thing you would hear at an Oktoberfest. Sorry, but most polka fans consider this bland, static and uninspiring style of polka to really suck.

So another way to put it would be:

Obama = Eastern and Chicago style polka

McCain = Milwaukee style polka (sorry people from that great city, but Milwaukee style is truly awful when compared to the other great traditions of American polka music)

[kestrel91316]

96. McCain is elevator music from the 40s in a college dorm. Boring and NOT HIP.

[opihimoimoi]

9. Wonderful retort.....Lindasy, Thompson, Hucky, and Ghouliani....and Palin..they were all in on it

http://groups.msn.com/NARCISSISTICPERSONALITYDISORDER/thebully.msnw

Bullies and their signs, symptoms

[KittyWampus]

10. McGreenScreen

:rofl:

[nc4bo]

11. I admire his cleverness. GOBAMA! nt

[Kittycat]

12. OMG - I'm dying here

:rofl: Did they not get the memo :rofl:

[Cha]

31. Obama's got this..

[WinkyDink]

39. TEH AWESOME!

[sandnsea]

58. lol, i like that n/t

[Lochloosa]

80. zidzi, thanks for the new background on my computer.

Great Pic!

[Zombie2]

13. Here's a couple of my fav McGreenscreens....

McCain vs. Madonna
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G9jA-FGGd8

McCain Green Screen The Shinning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBYNeyK2tvQ

[JBoy]

17. Wow, those were both great!

[Zombie2]

29. There's pleanty more on youtube....

The Day the Earth Stood Still McLame green screen is another of my favorites.

[MiniMe]

72. Those were great! Here is another

McCain Green Screen The Day the Earth Stood Still

http://www.youtube.com/v/xZGkIkfofl0&hl=en&fs=1

[MiniMe]

74. Green Screen Challenge McCain's Incredible Two-headed Transplant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkMQ8KO309g

:rofl:

[AlbertCat]

83. MMMMMmmmm...shades of Zardoz too!

[BeyondGeography]

14. Thank you!

K&R

[Name removed]

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[elkston]

18. You know what dude, why don't you just go ahead and vote for McCain ...

cause you obviously have no confidence in Obama and I actually think you want him to lose.

[depakid]

21. Facts are sometimes difficult things for people to deal with

Dukakis whinged about the "rancor" in Washington just this- and complained about Bush and his campaign in precisely the same manner.

Maybe you weren't around or involved in 1988- or perhaps your memory of those events has faded.

[Blue_Roses]

26. I was around in 1988 and the rancor in Washington was NOTHING like it is now after

eight years of Bush. There is no comparison. The eighties were a totally different time.

Nice try though a the "Debbie downer" shit.:eyes:

[depakid]

44. Different times- but similar dynamics

which is the point I was trying to make- irresptice of whther it makes anyone "feel good" or not.

[last_texas_dem]

55. I have the same concerns that you do

and don't understand why there are many on here who want to shout down or ban anyone who doesn't think things are going 100-percent swimmingly. Do any of the Pollyannas on here remember 2004? I *am* worried that the McCain campaign is on the offensive and is succeeding more at defining Obama than the Obama campaign is doing at defining McCain. How do we always manage to end up playing defense when we aren't even the incumbent party, and why do we always try to fight based on issues when the majority of the American public doesn't vote based on them?

[elkston]

60. Because ITS ALL DEEPAKID posts about. And its getting annoying. n/t

[Left Is Write]

27. Obama is not "whinging." Nothing even remotely whiny has come out of his mouth.

He is rightfully calling McCain on ignoring his own words. He is rightfully calling McCain on his empty rhetoric. He is standing up and saying he won't stand for these tactics.

I don't know how you can even think of comparing a strong candidate like Obama to Michael Dukakis.

[DFLforever]

35. Sounds like you haven't followed Obama

as much as you did Dukakis. You must have really gotten burned by that campaign because you can't seem to get it out of your mind!

You don't appear to have noticed that OBAMA is running on a message of CHANGE including changing the tone and tenor of DC in order to get things moving again. Maybe he doesn't like McCain co opting the vocabulary of CHANGE while employing the old crude tactics of THE SAME.

That's what he's pointing out, in fact, he's proving it to his audience. McCain doesn't walk the talk. Quite different than complaining about the tenor of a campaign.

Unlike Clinton and McCain, I haven't yet heard Obama complain about anything in either the primary or general campaigns, including all the nastiness centered around Wright. But maybe that's because complaining is for losers. And I take it that's what you were insinuating with your comparison to Dukakis.

.

[depakid]

40. It's not just Dukakis- it's many years of the same discredited strategies

He just happens to be the poster child, because he blew a huge lead and was incredibly stubborn about the "high road," to the point that he ignored critical feedback.

That unforutnately has been a hallmark of many national elections since.

At the risk of repeating myself, Drew Westen, Professor of Psychology and Psychiatry put it this way last week:

The convention reversed the momentum of a dreadful July and August campaign that made every standard Democratic error outlined in the book, starting with the campaign's stubborn refusal to brand McCain before he could brand himself or to respond to his successful efforts to brand Obama--as other, different, empty celebrity, uppity, narcissistic, and elitist.

Obama is now poised to break 50 percent in the polls. Whether he does so, and whether he wins or loses in November, will likely depend on whether he, his campaign team, and the Democrats learn the lessons of this convention, or whether they backslide in debates and public statements into the politics of meandering, dispassionate prose; failure to demonstrate toughness, resolve, and, yes, aggression where appropriate; and failure to understand that the best time to shape the public discourse is before the other side has had a chance to "sell" its version of truth to the American people.

Decades of research in social psychology have demonstrated that two of most important principles of persuasion when people have a choice between options are to get there first--to tell your side of the story--and to inoculate against what the other side is likely to say. Democratic consultants need to read that research--tonight--and stop relying on the same intuitions that have proven wrong in election after election. We are supposed to be the party of science, yet we constantly practice political creationism.

Much more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-westen/brand-first-equivocate-la_b_122855.html

[JDPriestly]

97. depakid, You are right. Don't let anyone tell you any different.

I know this for a fact. You may make a lot of friends by acquiescing and being "nice," but when you are fighting -- as in litigation or in sport -- you fight. Attempts to make friends with the other side will be viewed as weakness -- and doubt about your own case or ability.

John Edwards understood that and tried to get it across to the other primary candidates. Hillary also understood that. But Obama really doesn't.

[elkston]

104. Oh STFU. I'm really tired of this "Obama is a wimp" bullshit.

You're pissed Hillary didn't win and now you're making a fuss. Take your ball and go home!

[JDPriestly]

106. I was not a Hillary supporter. I'm just a realist.

I was an Edwards supporter. Edwards had his faults, but as a litigation attorney, he knows how to fight a fight. I hope Obama learns.

[WinkyDink]

41. Imagining a Dukakis remark isn't "facts". Moreover, Obama was being SARCASTIC,

not "whinging". (P.S. You DO know that's a Britishism?)

[Bobbie Jo]

50. False premise: Obama is NOT Dukakis nt

[jamesatemple]

82. Heh, heh! Your slip is showing!

Redefining "challenging" as "whining" says a lot about you. Do you have other twisted definitions to share with us? Were you a consultant to John Kerry? Kindly provide us with other slips of rationality for general amusement.

Oh, this post isn't proferred as an example of whining; it is intended to be challenging. I didn't want you to be confused about is purpose. You have a predeliction for that sort of thing, you know.

[redqueen]

86. Post the quotes or STFU.

I'm sure you've noticed how sick and tired people are getting of your eeyore routine.

So if you want to avoid it, back your fucking annoying whining up with facts.

[writes3000]

22. All I see is "Ignored". I'm so reassured my instincts were right. Thanks, elkston. nt

[Baltoman991]

19. You

really can't stand Obama can you?

[depakid]

23. Why? Because someone actually thinks critically

and makes a comparison of someone's statements (which, btw: other commentators have had the same observations about these sorts of statments) means they "don't like" the candidate?

:crazy:

[jefferson_dem]

25. Ya. Calling McGreenscreen on his phony chameleon bullshit shows real weakness.

Thanks for your concern <--- !

[Left Is Write]

28. Comparing Obama to Dukakis is critical thinking?

[depakid]

37. The two sorts of statements in context are very much the same

sorts of responses to Republican negative (and dishonest) campaigns.

As I mentioned, it's been noted before.

See for yourself: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/dukakis-vs-tyson_b_120260.html

[Left Is Write]

42. Obama has a strength of personality and fire that Dukakis didn't have.

No one can accuse Obama of being without passion. He's got an oomph and a charisma that Dukakis lacked. Obama is not Dukakis.

[depakid]

46. Come on now, I never said he WAS Dukakis- I said the statement sounded LIKE

something Dukakis would have said.

And it was.

If the polls start turning around, a lot of people will be looking for a reason. In that event, this sort of deal may be a place to look.

Of course, if Obam's lead continues to frow- the thread will be forgotten, and/or people can simply conclude I'm just a jerk. Frankly, I'd prefer the latter.

[Left Is Write]

48. If you weren't making the comparison to say Obama is like Dukakis

why make it at all?

[depakid]

59. It's about PROCESS

and public perceptions.

[Left Is Write]

64. Public perceptions of Obama are already different from public perceptions of Dukakis.

So again, the comparison is unnecessary.

[depakid]

66. Process is what was capitalized

it doesn't vary all that much from actor(s) to actor(s) -or from time to time.

You can observe the same processes at play in other nations, for example- even though superficially, things like the languages spoken or the issues at hand are different.

[Baltoman991]

30. Whatever

Every post of yours finds fault with whatever Obama does.

There's being critical and there's what you do with every post.

Comparing Obama to Dukakis is far from being critical. It's an outright slam against Obama.

[stillcool]

67. other 'commentators'...

I think I understand now...1988 is sooo like 2008 to people like Pat Buchanan. And Obama is sooo like Dukakis. It's really nice to see that you are doing everything you can to elect Senator Obama. Your enthusiasm abounds, you critical thinker you!

[Forkboy]

91. Dude, you're not really showing what we should call "critical thinking".

[Cha]

33. Get the fuck outta here.. we're here to elect Obama Biden and you're

here to get in the way..why the fuck are you still here?

[depakid]

38. You're apparently here to engage in group think and cheerlead

anything the campaign does, without a second thought.

There's role for that, I suppose.

[Ikonoklast]

52. It's called 'getting your candidate elected'

Anything else right now that you have posted is contra-indicative of that goal.

I see your agenda, and call you on it.

Will you vote for Obama for president?

Yes or no.

[depakid]

53. Ironically, your post is a perfect example of group think in action

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

[Ikonoklast]

54. And you avoided answering my question

Voting for Obama, Yes or No?

You don't need a Wiki reference to answer that.

Or maybe you do.

[depakid]

56. Here's something from Janus about group think, which you would have found at the link:

In order to make groupthink testable, Irving Janis devised eight symptoms that are indicative of groupthink (1977).

1. Illusions of invulnerability creating excessive optimism and encouraging risk taking.
2. Rationalising warnings that might challenge the group's assumptions.
3. Unquestioned belief in the morality of the group, causing members to ignore the consequences of their actions.
4. Stereotyping those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil, disfigured, impotent, or stupid.
5. Direct pressure to conform placed on any member who questions the group, couched in terms of "disloyalty".
6. Self censorship of ideas that deviate from the apparent group consensus.
7. Illusions of unanimity among group members, silence is viewed as agreement.
8. Mindguards — self-appointed members who shield the group from dissenting information.

[elkston]

61. We're so happy you're able to detach yourself and see things critically. Now SCRAM!!! n/t

[Ikonoklast]

62. You are sadly misdirecting your efforts

I already know which side of groupthink you fall on.

Are you voting for Obama, yes, or no?

It's easy to answer, but I see you would rather not.

Which in itself is the answer.

So long, Skippy.

[scarletwoman]

95. "There's a role for that, I suppose." Yes, it's called keeping up morale.

What do you think coaches say to their teams before a big game? "All right TEAM, we're the BEST TEAM, we're going to work as a TEAM, and we're going go in there and WIN!"

And the team runs out on the field and the cheerleaders jump and scream and shake their pompoms and yell, "GO TEAM!"

What do you think military officers say to their troops before going into battle? "All right soldiers, we're STRONG, we're POWERFUL, and we're the BEST! And we're going to go out there and kick the enemy's ass!"

Heightened morale is absolutely crucial to the functioning of a team engaged in ANY kind of contest.

Winning this election is going to take a massive amount of effort by the troops on the ground. And the way to mobilize those grounds troops is by making our excitement and passion contagious, and spreading that contagion far and wide. And to do that, it is entirely proper that we pay attention to keeping morale up.

This is war, we need all our troops functioning at the highest morale levels possible.

You want to call that "groupthink", fine. But since you've already made it abundantly obvious that you have no interest in joining the battle we're fighting, there's absolutely no reason why any of us should pay the slightest bit of attention to what you have to say.

So, "GO TEAM!" Debbie Downers can go to hell.

sw

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. not so much. obama gets what the vast majority of americans want right now

i dont think dukakis did.

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[Left Is Write]

43. You are right.

I remember 1988. People had trouble connecting with Dukakis personally.

[scarface2004]

84. and you re a right wing cretin....

keep comin with talkin points fool...we ll just swat them away!

[K8-EEE]

16. Thank YOU! I laughed out loud at the "rancor" line

[otohara]

20. I've Been Calling Voters Ask If They Watched Both Conventions -

then I say, did you see a difference between the two? More often than not, they agree - the GOP went too far with nasty and snarky remarks. I've been calling "unaffiliated" voters.

They were assholes at that convention.

[JerseygirlCT]

24. Good, good, good! nt

[knixphan]

32. Tell that truth, baby!

[Seldona]

36. K&R

Great response.

[Major Hogwash]

45. John McCain doesn't work for me, he doesn't represent me at all one tiny bit.

He is just another Republican fake liar.

McCain voted to impeach Bill Clinton on both counts in 1999.
He's a Republican hack.

[Left Is Write]

49. Hey, Major -

I notice we live in the same neck of the woods.

[BearSquirrel2]

88. I'm beginning to believe the "maverick" was just an act all along ...

Personally, I have considered the idea that the "maverick" was always just an act. McCain comes from Arizona, and notice the act he followed ... Barry Goldwater. McCain acts like Barry Goldwater and played the electoral politics the way Barry would do it with a shoot from the hip independent streak. That's just the kind of politician that Arizona voters liked.

McCain moved to a national stage and got buzzsawed by the Fundagelicals. For a while, it looked like he might switch parties in preparation for 2004. But then after 2004 he abandoned his former "Maverick" status and became a bush sycophant. He famously opposed Bush on torture legislation for months and then stood by grinning like an idiot as Bush penned a signing statement that effectively ordered the military to ignore the ban on torture. McCain said NOTHING about it.

I personally lean to the idea that McCain is just a man of ambition with nothing in terms of core morals, convictions or beliefs. He divorced wife #1 to marry a multi-millionaire who could finance his campaigns. He then divorced Goldwater politics in order to make a successful run for the presidency.

Beyond this, McCain's whole demeanor is phony. He is a notorious hot head but pretends to be "kind an gentle" in his manner of speaking. It belies his nature his true nature as bellicose and intolerant of others who do not share his views. He hides all of this to get elected as if he does go on one of his tirades, it's all over.

[Major Hogwash]

100. That's a great analysis. McCain is just a man of ambition.

He has wanted to be the President for over 10 years.
He drools at the very concept.

Now, he just drools.

LoL

[ClayZ]

57. K and R

[FrenchieCat]

63. lol! Obama making McSame seem out of touch about everything!

Love it!

[Bette Noir]

69. That's not much of a trick,

seeing how McCain *is* out of touch about everything.

[TheKentuckian]

75. Whining is a laughable charge

What he did was talk amongst adults. "They must they must think you're all stupid" is aggressive not a whine. He takes them to task, while having to laugh at the foolishness.

If that played with Hoosiers it played across the country, and he's right as rain. The Republicans actively believe we are retarded nothingness and their tactics are a joke.

Critical thinking is crucial but I'm thinking you have to want to take it as whining, if that's your interpretation.

"Yeah, Go GET 'EM!!!", isn't my typical response to a pity party.

[rainlillie]

78. McCain was in the "cone of silence."

....

[redqueen]

85. I'm so glad he pointed that out.

Love the way he calls them on their BS. :)

God knows there's enough of it to fill a month's worth of speeches.

[Myrina]

87. I pray that his brilliance is not lost on the average voter ....

... how can one more cleanly and clearly pick apart the hypocrisy and emptiness of the GOP than Obama has, and still have 45% of the country NOT GET IT??

:hide:

[kmdemqueen]

89. Were trying to

My friend who is on the town cousil here in Enfield Ct. She is going to call the dnc to see weather we can have some kind of rally. In the poorer section of town , there is not alot of people who are energized. Not like me.

[emald]

92. I'm voting for this guy Obama,

and maybe, just maybe things will change. This lying cabal of "change"mongers now in charge should all have been in prison long ago. It is way beyond time for change. Please, Mr. Obama, please, do the change thing. We need it badly.

[BayjanDem]

93. Another great response

from Slim Shady. The Republican convention was a major sominex moment for me. None of the ideas, diversity, energy or excitement we saw in The Mile High. Drill baby drill and a lying fembot for VP. That's the best these idiots could come up with. And that scumbag guliani, WOW.

[kestrel91316]

94. That, my fellow Democrats, is what's known as SPINE.