As an Alaskan, this is my theory about the baby rumors

[CampDem]

I wrote this in another thread and wanted to share it with everyone:

I am a third generation Alaskan and live here in Anchorage (population 300,000). My grandmother came up here in the 1950's after leaving my grandfather because he was an ass. As a single mother she figured out a way to buy a restaurant and raise her 7 children without him. I grew up fishing and snow machining and hiking in places that would look like movies to most of you. I grew up seeing bears and moose regularly and see them several times a year on the streets of Anchorage. Sarah comes from the valley, which is a 45 minute drive from Anchorage and a beautiful bedroom community.

I think you guys should realize some things about the culture up here. We have native communities up here that are still living subsistence lifestyles. People hunt and fish in the way their ancestors have for thousands of years. Alaskans pride themselves on being from the last frontier and how hardcore and tough they are. Sarah's husband is a champion snowmachine racer. Sarah genuinely wants to be seen as a sort of superwoman with a gun and a fur suit. She goes to work with the baby strapped to her body sometimes. She is very athletic and extremely competitive. She is a frontier woman.

Now, I do think that the baby story is strange. However, my take on it is that she is exaggerating for the hometown crowd and saying her water broke in Texas. She wants everyone to think what a tough cookie she is for flying home anyway. She is a braggart and a this is simply a "my fish is bigger than yours" story. She loves Alaska so much she could not let that damn baby be born in Texas. Alaskans have an weird rivalry with Texas and the rest of the lower 48. She lied to increase her damn frontier woman, tough as nails street cred. The hospital she had the baby at is a huge brand new facility and the employees there would know if she was having a baby or her daughter was. I know that there are privacy laws, but Sarah is very famous and people love to talk.

I think we need to focus on how Sarah is in the pockets of big oil and a nutball fundie who wants to take away a woman's right to choose.

[thunder rising]

1. You take all the fun out slinging the slime. I am guilty of pitching it hard KNOWING is was crap.

But it was fun to see others get into it as well.

[CampDem]

3. Sorry for taking the fun out of it

There is a lot of stuff we can throw at her that will stick.
:-)

[roguevalley]

105. you are probably right, camp dem. she is a tough dame. what

was your mom's restaurant?

RV, from the kenai.

[CampDem]

115. It was my grandmother's restaurant

I am not sure what the name of it was, kind of embarrassing. I know it was downtown and was a bar/restaurant. It was destroyed during the 1964 quake before I was born.

I have an uncle in Kenai.
:hi:

[roguevalley]

121. for the biggest state, this is such a small place.

:)

[ruggerson]

19. What's the point of doing that?

So Fixed news can report that "far leftwing bloggers" are smearing Palin with a false "baby switcheroo" story? A story which independents then see at the gym or the beauty shop or the local bar and decide that Palin is being unfairly attacked by Democrats?

In the grand scheme of things, it's not very helpful if our goal is to elect Obama/Biden.

[CampDem]

25. yeah, fox would love to paint her and her beautiful daughter as victims

I know the story is strange and I think that she probably did lie. The more I think about it though, it seems like she lied because she wanted to look tough. There are a lot of women up here from the Bush that get on a plane and fly to Anchorage to get medical attention. It is common here.She was also getting some scrutiny regarding the baby and if she would be able to perform her duties as governor. This story enabled her to say she kept working even though she went into labor and show what a sourdough she is.

[NashVegas]

41. Please, Save It For Places Like This

http://games.yahoo.com/games/front

[janx]

2. I've spent a little time in Alaska. My son lives there.

And I think you're right on. ;-)

[CampDem]

6. We are kind of unusual up here

I didn't fully realize how different we are until I started reading all these threads.
:hi:

[janx]

8. I love Alaska and Alaskans.

Did you know that once Sarah Palin called Lance Mackey, and he didn't even know who she was?

:rofl:

[CampDem]

23. OMG!

How humiliating for her.
:toast:

[janx]

28. From what my son tells me, Lance is not exactly

politically aware. But I could probably have guessed that just by looking at him. ;-) :rofl:

[Ellen Forradalom]

147. Can I vote for your Weimaraner?

Beautiful dog. I love Weims :-)

[AlCzervik]

4. that makes sense and thanks for posting it. I hadn't really thought about that

angle.

[CampDem]

9. Sure

I think she was trying to impress rural and Bush voters with this whopper. She is definitely lying about parts of the story and didn't realize at the time it would be subjected to national attention.

[Hutzpa]

45. Your spin BS

is for folks up there in Alaska,
so cut the crap...

This shit does not make sense, I don't
care how you try to spin it.

[janx]

46. ??? n/t

[CampDem]

49. It doesn't make sense anywhere but here, true

I do think she lied about it. I think we should catch her in that lie. Keep in mind that she probably didn't know when she told the story of the water breaking that she was the VP pick and would be under international scrutiny. The political context here when she had the baby included sexist good ole boys that were raising their eyebrows about her representing our state to big oil. People wanted reassurance that she was tough enough to get the job done and she gave it to them. I do think we should question her about supposedly jumping on a plane after her water broke and see how she responds. I think it is BS pandering on her part.

[janx]

52. I have borne three children. I have also traveled from New Mexico

to Alaska multiple times. To jump on a plane after your "water" breaks would be crazy.

[CampDem]

58. I have flown from Alaska to Texas and it was 10 hours I think

I agree that it seems crazy to get on a plane after your water breaks. I bet the stressful plane ride was what induced her labor in the first place! Then she got here and without thinking trounced out this dumb story.

[LisaL]

138. No it does not.

It doesn't make sense. She came back from the conference and had the child right away, a month early. What would be the rush to have the baby if there were no problems up to the point?

[JVS]

5. If she wants to be a braggart, we can hang her with her own words

It plays very strangely down here in the Midwest.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

7. It plays strangely here in NY too.

[CampDem]

14. It plays strangely to many in Anchorage too

We are not a homogeneous group up here. She is part of a hardcore group of fundie roughneck, state of the art snowmachine driving, fish till you drop, round the critters up and kill them so we can get more oil psychos.

[mitchum]

33. So you're saying that you have mouthbreathing rednecks...

who can see their breath quite often?
You are made of stronger stuff than me.
I put up with the same kind of Yahoos down here (the south) because I really like the weather here. Alska is just too cold too often :)

[janx]

37. Ah, but Alaska is so beautiful that it has made me literally

cry, just being there and experiencing it.

See their breath? Oh man, you have no idea! It's a lot colder than that! ;-)

[CampDem]

53. Here in Anchorage and in the vally it really isn't that cold

Well, at least to me. We had one cold snap last winter that was 20 below and it was during the week of super Tuesday. I had to park a mile away from the caucus site because there was no parking. I froze my ass off because I didn't wear gloves and boots, thinking I could just run into the school. Up in Fairbanks it was 60 below that week, probably 100 below with wind chill. To be honest I have always dreamed of moving to the south.

[roguevalley]

106. my pa drove pipe up to Prudhoe and the coldest camp he was at

was -180 with the wind. The coldest I remember down here was -56 by the lake at my brother's house

Something takes over some people and makes them go over the top with the way we live here, some of us, especially around Outsiders. Texas is a big thorn to some up here.

[CampDem]

116. My Mom worked in Prudhoe for Halliburton

Miserable place I hear even though people make a fortune up there. My Dad worked on the pipeline for a while. I often wonder about the types of people that come here. End of the roaders, people running from the law down south, people that don't want a soul around them for hundreds of miles. Then there are people that want the beauty and a fresh start. Probably thousands of reasons really.

[roguevalley]

120. yeah, the ones that stayed after are the ones retiring now.

[janx]

137. "Cold" is relative.

;-)

I froze my ass off at the I'rod Anchorage ceremonial start! :rofl: Somebody should have given me a t-shirt to prove it!

[MadrasT]

60. Thanks, and a couple of comments

1. I appreciate your perspective, thanks again for sharing it with us. :hi:

2. "Round the critters up and kill them so we can get more oil" is enough reason for me not to want to even have the possibility of her being a heartbeat away from the Oval Office.

[CampDem]

65. She is a hack for big oil

I think this is the primary reason they selected her. She has experience advancing the big oil agenda writing policy and negotiating, they absolutely adore her. She honestly believes we should just hunt and eat these animals like humans were meant to do.I agree that she is a rabid anti-environmentalist and if she gets enough power to open up ANWR it will set a dangerous precedent for other protected areas in our country.

[1Hippiechick]

61. Well, this statement alone needs to be its own thread! OMG! She tell tall tales! Love it! n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

55. Agreed. If Hillary Clinton can take crap for her "sniper" comments ...

... Palin can take it for hers.

[Cha]

89. And she's already having to face reality

with her I wasn't in on the "Bridge to Nowhere" scheme.

[CampDem]

97. She was behind it and is on record about it

I think that the state even kept the earmarks for this and spent it on other transportation projects.

[Cha]

104. Of course she was and has no compunction about

lying now that it turns out it wasn't such a good idea.

[roguevalley]

108. she lost Ketchikan for that alone.

[Quantess]

94. Funny, it plays very strangely in the Pacific NW as well.

[winston61]

10. A nutball fundie?

shit, she would fit right in down here in Texass.

[CampDem]

18. These people she runs with are owned by Texans

I think she is where she is today because some fat cat fundie Texans hand picked her. As far as business goes, Alaska is the mini-me to Texas. She is the bride of Frankenstein to McCain's monster, brought to life by big oil doctors.

[undeterred]

11. Its not going to fly on the campaign trail.

[Orangepeel]

12. Thanks, that makes sense. She lied about the water breaking in Texas.

That's much more likely than either theory that she got on a plane and flew home after her water broke with her fifth child OR that she faked her pregnancy.

It doesn't make ANY sense that the flight home story is evidence of a bogus pregnancy. Why would she lie about her water breaking in that case?

[CampDem]

31. Yes, I believe she lied about her water breaking in Texas

I have worked at the Alaska Native Medical Center here in Anchorage. People are flown in all the time for medical procedures from all over the state. It is very common here and many, many people in the Bush would relate to her story. I think that she played these cards to pull at peoples heart strings, look like a sourdough and silence her critics about how the baby would detract from her work. Our state is negotiating the construction and details to build a gas pipeline. This project is a huge deal and many sexist men did not want to see a woman at the helm. I think that she lied for all these reasons.

[Joanne98]

13. I lived in Alaska for two years. Tok. I know what you're talking about.

The "weird rivalry" with Texas was hatred when I was there 1976-78. I remember that Alaskans used to write in the dust of cars with Texas license plates. "How do you get to Texas? Go south until you smell shit, then go east until you're standing in it". Or something like that. The Texans came up to work on the pipeline. They made the mistake of saying they were the biggest state in the union. Texans would spend their RR pipeline time in Fairbanks, getting ripped off by strippers. Everybody hated them.

That said, flying all the way home when your water is broke is a sign of REALLY BAD JUDGEMENT. It's fair game. She could be the Commander and Chief. It's something the public needs to know. And even if she made it up, that still makes her a LIAR. Also something the public needs to know.

[CampDem]

20. I think the hatred is because Texans call the shots in the oilfield

Everyone secretly hates the boss right? Add that to our native population getting nearly destroyed over the last century and you have downright hatred for outsiders.Her story about her water breaking in Texas seems fake to me. People were speculating up here about if she would be able to pull off her job with the pregnancy and she was nervous about all the negative talk. I think she wanted to show how tough she is and put to rest the rumors about the baby impacting her ability to lead. There are a lot of sexist good ole boys who hate her and are always looking for weakness.I agree that it is fair game as it was a dumb story.If she can be caught lying about this it would be great. She was caught last month lying her ass off. This will be good.

[Bucky]

27. The hatred is because those boneheaded Alaskan rubes are jealous of Texas's sophistication.

:hide:

[CampDem]

40. Interesting point

I know that I am jealous of Texas sophistication! I have been to Dallas and marveled at the sheer size of the buildings and the culture, the music, the art, the nightlife. To be honest, I think that the boneheads that she runs with are extremely proud of Alaska and do not recognize that sophistication. That circle thinks that they are better, bigger, and tougher than Texans. They are a pathetic, paranoid, xenophobic brood.

[1Hippiechick]

62. What lie was she caught in last month? n/t

[CampDem]

68. The troopergate stuff

Her approval rating has dropped 30 points here in the past month because of it. Very interesting story about a trooper who she wanted fired (Palin's ex brother in law) and a beloved high ranking Public Safety Commissioner (Monegan) who Palin fired. People think she fired Monegan because he didn't fire the state trooper for Palin.

[roguevalley]

109. I remember that. LOL! I remember a joke was heaven was

watching a Texan heading south with a Okie under each arm. :)

Ah, the good old (bad old) days.

[CampDem]

117. OMG

Ahhh! Texans and Okies, why all the hatin?

Funny thing is that my Mom flew from Anchorage to Oklahoma to give birth near her Mom. I am really an Okie;)

[roguevalley]

118. the companies stocked the jobs up here with outsiders from low paying

southern states and stuck us good. we have local hire laws because of it.

[roguevalley]

119. the companies stocked the jobs up here with outsiders from low paying

southern states and stuck us good. we have local hire laws because of it.

[CampDem]

124. Is that what they did?

Makes sense!

[roguevalley]

128. yeah.that is still a sore subject to this day. the locals weren't hired because

they brought people from Louisiana, Texas and Oklahoma and paid them less.

[WinkyDink]

15. Can we refer to her by her surname, as we would a man?

[AkFemDem]

17. It's going to be hard because in this state she is referred to most often as Sarah

rather than as Palin.

[SteppingStone]

16. Isn't she from Sandpoint, Idaho?

First we had Bush the Cowboy and now we have Sarah the Last Frontier Woman. GAG!!!

[janx]

22. Apparently she was born in Sandpoint.

Her parents moved to Alaska shortly after that.

[Kajsa]

21. Thank you, CampDem.

We need your perspective, as well as all the Alaskan DUers.

Thank you for shedding some light on Palin's story.

:)

[crispini]

24. This completely makes sense. Thanks. nt

[Bucky]

26. Thank you. The sooner the noisy DUers shut up about the baby-swap conspiracy BS

the sooner we can get back to kicking McCain's ass.

[1Hippiechick]

66. Part of kicking McCain's ass is discrediting his VP selection. n/t

[Nine]

29. I think you're wrong. However...

If she did simply make up a fish story, we CAN attack her on that with much less risk. If Hillary got raked over the coals for her Bosnia recollection, why let Palin off the hook?

[CampDem]

57. Yes, we should not let her off the hook

I would love to see her answer why, with a high risk pregnancy, she would jump on a plane after her water broke. The BS xenophobic cover story she told to pacify the Alaskan media will not work with everyone else.

[Midlodemocrat]

30. If she wanted the baby to be born in AK so desperately, why travel that late in the pregnancy?

On a commercial airline no less.

Seriously, who does that?

[Celebration]

35. yeah, all this would proves i that she is an idiot

And a liar. Oh, well. We are used to it.

[CampDem]

59. Good point

She was 8 months along with a high risk pregnancy and went to the conference anyway. I think her motivation was to go to the conference and combat the eyebrow raising going on over her pregnancy and reinforce her toughness in the eyes of the voters. She is freakishly ambitious and narcissistic, maybe to the point of a selfish disregard for others. Going on that trip likely caused her to go into premature labor when she got back or on the plane, but I don't think it happened in Texas.

[mopinko]

32. squares with the alaskans that i know.

and people shouldn't get too bent about the fur thing, either.

[janx]

39. People who get bent about the fur thing don't know

about Alaska's history and culture.

[mopinko]

67. i know. i wondered about the pic that was posted here

of her sitting on the sofa with the grizzly skin. i wondered if it was government property- part of the governor's office furniture.

[roguevalley]

110. I do and I still hate it. You can hate fur and stuffing animals and

still be a good person. :P

EDIT: I have this vision of all those animals spirits waiting on the other side with ballpean hammers. :)

[CampDem]

148. the fur trophy stuff makes me uncomfortable

Yet, I try to be tolerant, Especially if people are in a situation where they are living off the land.

[bethling]

34. Makes Sense

I was thinking the same thing last night. The people that I know that are from Alaska are proud of their ruggedness. Showing how "tough" she is by flying back home while in labor would play well there. Just makes the rest of the country go "huh?" I can't imagine any woman, no matter how tough, getting on an air plane after her water broke.

[DangerousRhythm]

36. This is a good perspective.

I fear some are losing focus by pursuing the tabloidish "baby scandal" angle. Leave it for the Enquirer. The baby thing can ONLY backfire and it's small potatoes in comparison to the REAL issues which she's absolutely paper thin on.

Eye on the ball, people, eye on the ball.

[Hokie]

38. So the best explanation is that she is a liar?

The alternatives are that she is either stupid and irresponsible or pulled a Bree Van de Kamp. Nice....

[CampDem]

96. I didn't know who Bree Van de Kamp was

So I googled and found a character on Desperate Housewives, which I have only seen a couple of times. I do think that Palin is a liar and also very irresponsible with her policy. I don't think she is stupid exactly. People here don't see her as an intellectual, but she has done really well in debates in the past. She is someone, who IMO, suffers from impairment in her critical thinking and abstract reasoning skills like most fundies. She is good at compartmentalizing and lying and relies on her charm and charisma to get out of tight spots.

[seabeyond]

42. if her water did not break, why was she immediately put in the hospital and gave birth?

something was going on with her and her pregnancy.

[Orangepeel]

48. she might have gone into labor ON the plane

and then "exaggerated" for effect. That's an indication that she shouldn't have flown that late in a pregnancy and she definitely should be asked about it.

She's almost certainly going to put her foot in her mouth sometime in the next two months. Whatever the facts are with this story, it shows that she's got poor judgment and/or a tendency to tell tall tales about herself. She's not ready for prime time.

[CampDem]

69. Yes

I think she was under some political pressure to go to the conference and then the trip exhausted her and induced premature labor. She and her team did this trumped up xenophobic story to play up her Alaskan strongwoman reputation. I hope you are right and she puts her foot into her mouth. She is a very narrow minded, prejudiced, hard right, misogynist and it will take work to hide this from the national media. She is used to being the darling of our local media and fielding softball questions from the hometown reporters. I am going to love this! :hi:

[seabeyond]

83. yes look. we have no fact. nothing, nothing whatsoever to support and you all jump up and

down, ya ya ya this is what happened. of course it is. must be cause the other two options that actually have fact behind them are really horrible for the woman. so lets make up a story and that is the one we will all jump on the bandwagon with

i cannot believe you are so easily selling this thread to du'ers

[CampDem]

88. True, like I said in my OP it is just a theory

Maybe the Obama team up here will catch her lying about all this. With McCain's team here too, I am sure that there is a race to get the scoop. I hope they nail her.

[Debi]

75. I swear there was a post here w/a newspaper article that said she was induced

at the hospital....I'd go look but there's about 100 damn threads about this.

[seabeyond]

82. yes, it said she was induced. there are reasons they induce labor. the wate broke. n/t

[a la izquierda]

43. Kinda like the king of the hill episode...

when Hank finds out he was born in NYC, not Texas.

Never been to Alaska. My mom went and loved it. Me and the husband would like to go someday, but not until her stench is off the place, thank you very much.

[CampDem]

70. Even with big oil up here trying to destroy it

There are miles of unspoiled creeks and rivers and thousands of square miles of pristine forests. There are ecosystems from ancient times utterly unscathed. The air is still crisp, fresh and teeming with animals and insects in the summer.

Sadly, when she goes there are hundreds in line salivating to take her place. It is a struggle with no end in sight and these oil people are the definition of evil. Don't let them keep you away! For the most part they are tucked away in sickening pockets of frothing fundie la la land and are quite easy to disregard.
:hi:

[a la izquierda]

74. Sounds lovely...when I graduate perhaps...

whenever that is.
:toast:

[Hutzpa]

44. Looks like you guys up there

have taken the baton from the South...

:evilgrin:

[janx]

47. Now, Now...

Both Washington AND Alaska are cool.

;-)

[greguganus]

56. Oh Snap! n/t

[No Elephants]

78. Pure speculation. But, very best case, she is a liar,.

[CampDem]

72. We do have some southern similarities

The cool thing is that we have a growing liberal population that is kind of like the rest of the west coast in the lower 48. Obama was leading in the polls the last time I checked. If Obama could pull off a win up here it would be a dream come true. I am hoping that other dems will get fired up because they picked Palin.

[Ilsa]

50. Thank you for your insight. It makes alot more sense to me now. nt

[RollWithIt]

51. I believe every line of attack is on the table at this point....

Because of McCain's reckless decision to pick her, and the fact that the election is only 60 days away, we have to unleash the dogs of war. That means everything available to us.

[1Hippiechick]

64. "we have to unleash the dogs of war." Agreed. n/t

[Kitty Herder]

54. I have a question for you, since you're Alaskan.

Nothing to do with the baby thing. Wasn't there some kind of scandal with Palin that was brought up during the 2006 election? I was living in Alaska at the time, but paid little attention to the state and local politics. (I only lived there for six months and was far more concerned with the politics of my home state of Utah.) I seem to remember some kind of rumor of scandal about Palin. But the only thing I can find any info about online is "Troopergate." Am I remembering incorrectly?

[DangerousRhythm]

73. Is this possibly the dairy farm thing? N/T

[CampDem]

150. In 2006 I wasn't following the republican primaries too closely

I didn't think she had a chance of taking out Murkowski because he was the incumbent and a 22 year senator. I didn't start paying attention to her until she won. There is a guy here named Andrew Halcro who knows a lot about her and his blog is quite good. He lists all of the scandals of her career:

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/what_palin_has_to_do_to_help_mccain

[janx]

63. My son just called me again!

With some great news about some mushers and further discussion about Palin! :rofl:

[ecstatic]

71. OK so she's a liar/exaggerator like Romney? nt

[BlooInBloo]

76. "snowmachine " = snowmobile?

And what's "the baby story"?

[Motown_Johnny]

79. Yes... and

her story is that her water broke when she was in Texas, she then gave a speech and got on a plane to fly back to Alaska where the baby was born

the other story is that the baby is her 16 year old daughter's and she faked the whole thing so she could claim it as her own


either way it is a fluff story that we need to move beyond

[BlooInBloo]

84. Gotcha - thanks!

[BlooInBloo]

81. self-delete - wrong branch.

[seabeyond]

77. this is rumormongering you know. at least the other threads had the facts in them

this one is just what you suppose she might have done without anything pointing you into this direction. people are yelling about those of us that question her facts..... statements she makes.... oh the horror. yet you make up a story of supposes and all those people are fine with this

such a laugh

[scarletwoman]

85. See my post below -- as someone who lived some years in Alaska, it totally squares

with my experience of Alaskans and their "toughness" thing.

Honestly, it's a totally different culture up there -- to me it was like living on a different planet.

sw

[seabeyond]

87. and still it is a story told. IF she lied about waterbreaking then she can own it

but she doesnt get an out because someone makes up a pretty little story

[CampDem]

90. I don't think we should give her an out either

If she didn't lie and did fly after the water broke people should ask her why she jeopardized the health of the baby.

If she did lie about when the water broke then this should be brought out.

If she lied about the whole thing to cover for her daughter, then this will be brought out too.

She acts very immature at times when under pressure and is use to our Alaskan press lobbing softballs at her. The media will get her eventually because that it what they do.

[seabeyond]

91. thank you camp

really

i can sleep easier now

this just makes me so mad. i live with these people, not in alaska but in texas and the arrogance of these people, how they excuse their behavior and are so vile to everyone else

and one of my greatest pet peeves... not one of them, but my greatest pet peeve is not parent choices of raising their children like what they name the kid or how they discipline, i will never interfer in that. it is when they are NOT a parent.

then always i will speak out

if

they made up this lie to protect them or daughter and then willingly step into limelight for it to be put across the nation humiliating daughter to the nation. not parenting. parents are selfless. they dont go after a dream that will hurt their children

if

she got on a plane with water leakage then she was not being a parent and god only knows why, the concept of being preg without medical attention or accessability just cannot even go into my brain. that is not being a parent


on edit: if she gave a whopping fish story, own it and i dont give a shit.

[roguevalley]

111. she won't but it certainly makes a lot more sense than someone

on another thread that said her dad is the father of the girl's baby and this is the coverup. which is worse?

[seabeyond]

113. we all have poster throwing out sick shit to make du look bad

they are purposely putting the sickest of thing. alert. the mods have been wonderful. i have been calling on those. what happens when people who come to du can not be frisked to see if intent is good

[scarletwoman]

80. Makes complete sense -- I lived in Alaska for 6 years, I totally get that "toughness" stuff.

Hell, even though I left AK in 1995, I still brag about the kind of life I led when I lived there.

When I first moved up there (lived in Willow), I learned real fast what it took for a cheechako to prove herself and toughened up right quick. Skinned and dressed my first moose by my 3rd month of living there. There's just a different "normal" in Alaska than there is Outside.

sw

[dkofos]

86. The husband may be the daddy, but the daughter is the mother.

[CampDem]

92. Oh crap

:nuke:

We do have very high rates of incest here, some of the highest in the US. I think we should be careful throwing this around without any kind of proof. I can only imagine the fallout.

[seabeyond]

114. posters are doing it to cause problems.... but i didnt know that about alaska. n/t

[Disturbed]

93. All that matters is that Gov Palin is Anti-Abortion, even in cases

of Rape &/or Incest. She is also against any type of Birth Control & would only allow Abstinence to be taught in Public Schools. She & McNasty would be pushing these issues hard if elected.

[demobabe]

95. Picture and Blog from someone who saw her in March

http://www.polartrec.com/node/3944

http://www.polartrec.com/ptrecgallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=25597

"There were several of us PolarTRECers waiting in the Fairbanks, AK airport to catch our planes home. We were chatting about all we had learned when Kristen Timm, ARCUS administrator said “ Look, there is the Hottest Governor in the United States” as she has been publicly deemed by media and fans.

Of course I had to check out the “Hottest Governor in the US” and quickly turned to see her pregnant (she has since had her baby) with bags and daughter in tote. Then it struck me as odd. Why is the Governor of Alaska in the airport and preparing to get onto my commercial flight?

I questioned PolarTRECer Craig Kasemodel an Alaskan resident. He let me know that Governor Palin sold the corporate jet after securing her official Governor position."

[CampDem]

99. Good find

I had not seen this before.

[demobabe]

100. Found a picture of her possibly taken in April where she looks pregnant, too

[CampDem]

123. She really looks pregnant in that picture

[Nine]

127. Chuckle. Obviously she wasn't faking her pregnancy.

Because she sometimes LOOKS pregnant!!! Why didn't I think of that?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

98. Thanks for that perspective

I think the daughter story sounds spurious and your take on it makes sense.

And I still think she's creepy as hell. Women like her - hypercompetitive and in constant need of validation and to one-up everyone else - don't just come from Alaska, trust me. Palin strikes me as a female version of Bush.

[CampDem]

133. Palin strikes me that way too, creepy like Bush was

The kind of gal you want to have a beer with. All flash and little substance. It reminds me of that movie Broadcast News with Holly Hunter and the not too bright guy who makes it to the top because he has the "it"factor.

[Lithos]

101. K&R

:thumbsup:

[flpoljunkie]

102. Wise counsel, CampDem.

[MrsBrady]

103. I agree.

at first I thought the rumor might be true....

but then I did a little digging and she WAS pregnant.
This woman saw her pregnant in March...
http://www.polartrec.com/node/3944


BUT -- I do think she is ego driven, loves to kiss up to big oil, and clueless about science and women's rights, clueless about how to be an elective leader, etc....

and NOT GETTING MY VOTE!

[redqueen]

107. "Alaskans have an weird rivalry with Texas "

I never knew that.

[proud patriot]

112. makes sense to me

[phoenixriz]

125. Thank you for your Alaskan perspective

I have been in the medical field for many years. I believe I can say that any reputable physician would not let "Sarah" travel once she reached her 7th month" I know my doctor told me airflight was offlimits. The pressure she was receiving from the good ole boys may have had her go against doctors wishes. I definitely do not believe that the water broke in Texas. Secondly, no airline woud allow her to get on an aircraft in this condition and risk the liability of a premature birth in the air with complications leading to a lawsuit. I believe she got back home and was convinced by her physician to be induced because of her age, having a high risk preganancy and the prerequistie for high tech care for a premature Down Syndrome baby. They are prone to many complications including heart disease. There was no use taking any more risks than she had already taken by traveling. Whatever other stories that have come out should be dealth with in the meantime with questions in front of the media although they will cry sexism. It is in my opinion a telling sign that this woman does not have good judgement when she is willing to risk her and her babies health. The risk of Down Syndrome in women over 40 is about 1 in 200.

[phoenixriz]

126. Thank you for your Alaskan perspective

I have been in the medical field for many years. I believe I can say that any reputable physician would not let "Sarah" travel once she reached her 7th month" I know my doctor told me airflight was offlimits. The pressure she was receiving from the good ole boys may have had her go against doctors wishes. I definitely do not believe that the water broke in Texas. Secondly, no airline woud allow her to get on an aircraft in this condition and risk the liability of a premature birth in the air with complications leading to a lawsuit. I believe she got back home and was convinced by her physician to be induced because of her age, having a high risk preganancy and the prerequistie for high tech care for a premature Down Syndrome baby. They are prone to many complications including heart disease. There was no use taking any more risks than she had already taken by traveling. Whatever other stories that have come out should be dealth with in the meantime with questions in front of the media although they will cry sexism. It is in my opinion a telling sign that this woman does not have good judgement when she is willing to risk her and her babies health. The risk of Down Syndrome in women over 40 is about 1 in 200.

[CampDem]

132. It does show poor judgment

I agree with you, that she got back and was induced. Then she came up with a dumb story about her trip and the water breaking. Embellishment at best and lying at worst.

[Nine]

122. Sorry, I don't buy that. It sounds like damage control.

I can't believe so many people are recommending this thread as some kind of, "Oh well that explains everything. See, you conspiracy theorists were just jumping to crazy conclusions."

If she really was pregnant but lied about the water breaking, that is so far from "my fish is bigger than yours" that it's not even funny. That is an insane thing to make up. Completely insane. And yet telling such an insane lie is actually the least damaging explanation there is. Otherwise she faked her pregnancy or she recklessly endangered her baby's life. So it seems the "fish tale" angle is what's being pushed.

This is pure speculation. There's actually less evidence for this than there is for the faked pregnancy, but people want to pat themselves on the back and tell each other how classy they are for not getting down in the mud. So much so that they're going through contortions to make Palin's BS story make some kind of sense. But it doesn't make sense.

Look, McCain's campaign was already a trainwreck, and choosing Palin just made it worse. We don't have to make up rumors about her. But when they try to push some fairy tale down our throats, we don't have to accept it either.

[CampDem]

130. It is speculation, and so are the other theories

Two posts above have a pictures where Sarah looks pregnant and a link to a blog by a woman who ran into her in the airport. I have seen no evidence that she was not pregnant except her coworkers claiming she didn't look pregnant at 7 months. The picture of the family with the poochy belly daughter has been debunked was from 2006. I don't know about the source on the girl missing school.

If you read all of my posts in this thread, I try to show how in the Alaskan context her lies makes sense politically. I also state above several times that I think she was either lying about when the water broke or putting her baby at risk, and she should be called out.

[tinrobot]

131. So, her excuse is that she's a liar.

[Arm Chair Politician]

129. As an Alaskan, the baby rumors are false...

True there are confusing issues with the Palin pregancy...we
as Alaskan's know this.  However, I doubt this fully and will
state that there are many other Palin things to look into and
spread the news about.  

Palin loves the media...even bakes them cookies and calls them
on their birthday (see ADN news article in archives).  As
such, the Anchorage media will not correct the national media
about 'her story, or her bio'.  Palin was chosen because a
state so small, and so secluded, could not prevent McCAin from
reinventing her.  Because of this, the story will grow and in
the end will be false.

You've been had...unless we are organized, the word won't be
spread.

Read the Anchorage Daily News, and the Halcro blog.  Halcro
was her opponent and is a sore looser and has broke many
stories about Sarah.

[MirrorAshes]

134. Was the birth at the "huge" hospital covered in a linkable article?

most of my suspicion comes from the photos that are going around, the phony story (which you gave a plausible explanation for) and the idea that her fundie church could have easily hidden this and put out a fake story... but I'd assume they'd have done it in private. I'd like to see some articles on the birth and just how open it truly was.

[CampDem]

141. Anchorage Daily News has a lot on this

There are articles about when she announced and then a long article about her returning to work and the baby having Downs. They are reporting that she had the baby at Matsu regional. Do you think she looks pregnant in the picture another DUer found, I think around post 100 or so? To me she looks about as pregnant in that picture as I did when I had mine at 37 weeks.

[MirrorAshes]

143. That is indeed the most convincing picture I've seen of Sarah-

though the several shots of Bristol over time are compelling as well. I don't know. I'm still skeptical but I also don't want her family dragged through the mud for something that isn't true. Its fishy though. Dems should definitely steer clear of trying to make an issue out of it but I do wonder.

[CampDem]

151. I don't think she is telling the whole truth

I am thinking that this is being pushed by McCain so that we dems make asses out of ourselves. Then, the media can lecture and pundits can endlessly discuss the radical left blogger conspiracy nuts simultaneously showing what a heroic family woman Palin is. The real danger is that McCain is up here desperately trying to cover up Troopergate, which has been proven. This titillating story is a cover I think.

[LisaL]

135. Is this the right hospital?

Why isn't baby Palin listed?
http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/nursery_calendar.php?month=05&year=2008

[CampDem]

139. That is the hospital listed in the ADN article

It is odd that the baby is not on the calendar unless the she specifically didn't want the baby listed.

[LisaL]

140. The baby's birth was reported by newspapers.

So, the birth of the baby would not be a secret to anyone. Why would she not want baby listed? Why would not the hospital list baby Palin? After all, it's not every day the governor of a state has a baby at the hospital. Two babies are listed for April 18th. Where is baby Palin?

[CampDem]

142. Either ADN listed the wrong hospital or

The Palin family did not want the baby listed. I don't think that all of the maternity staff are lying. Maybe you are thinking she had the baby at home and then lied to ADN and told them she gave birth at Matsu? Her office did a press release after she had the baby at Matsu so maybe they are in on it too? The fact that the birth was no secret and she had it at a large hospital near Anchorage make it unlikely that they would lie for her, it is unethical.

[LisaL]

144. I have no idea what to think.

The baby's birth was not a secret. It was reported by newspapers. Why would she ask the hospital not to list the baby?
Got any logical theory there?
As for the maternity staff, I am not sure what you are talking about? Who says they are lying? What have maternity staff said about their governor having the baby at their hospital?

[MirrorAshes]

145. These questions will plague them as long as their is tabloid media

the dems should stay out of it, but if there is a story here its going to get the probing of a lifetime with Palin as the VP pick. I'm still unsettled but hopefully this will either get discredited squarely and strongly and soon or it'll be exposed and we'll go from there. if it is true, they brought it on themselves, and I don't feel particularly bad about letting the media deal with it. but no dem should go anywhere near it.

[LisaL]

146. NE sure was interested in Edwards alleged love child.

And Edwards is not a VP candidate. I don't think he ever was a consideration with Obama.

[LisaL]

136. There is just a little problem with your theory.

She gave birth right after she flew back from TX and reportedly a month early. If there were no leaking of amniotic fluid, what's the rush?

[CampDem]

149. There are a couple of possibilities

Maybe she went into labor on the plane and was having contractions but not leaking. The article says she was having contractions all day. After the stress of the speech and traveling maybe the doctor induced her once she got home. Or, like another DUer suggested, maybe the doctor decided to induce because of advanced maternal age and Downs. Once she was at 36 or 37 weeks and the baby could breathe on his own?

I really think all this is a distraction from Troopergate, where she has caught on tape lying and very likely abuse of power.