The only women allowed to run for executive office should be those who can no longer reproduce.

[Solon]

Poll question: The only women allowed to run for executive office should be those who can no longer reproduce.

Do you agree or disagree with the above statement?

[Olney Blue]

1. This is a terribly sexist poll.

[Solon]

Actually, I'm seeing how many people actually like the glass ceiling...

I'm in the "disagree" camp myself.

[Life Long Dem]

43. I'm in the confused camp.

This is a medical question.

[Bucky]

12. This is a poll that exposes sexism on DU

You should thank the OP for holding up the mirror for us.

[midnight]

2. So does this men who run should not be able to produce either?

[Solon]

4. No of course not, double standards rule the day on DU...

I just wondered how many people will vote that way in this poll.

[bigwillq]

3. And only people who are not sexist

Should be allowed to post polls on DU. :mad:

[Solon]

7. Hey man, check this out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6813151&mesg_id=6816638

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6817918&mesg_id=6817941

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6817918&mesg_id=6818143

[bigwillq]

18. Good to see

:thumbsup:

You are still allowed to post polls then. ;) :)

[Solon]

20. I decided not to editorialize my OP before the poll...

Nor let people know my position before they vote, though now, looking at my responses, they can see, obviously, what's up.

[bigwillq]

24. I'm still just a bit peeved

at all the sexist remarks here.

Please except my apologizes for assuming you were also sexist because of this post.

[Solon]

34. No Apologies necessary, we're all good!

:pals:

:)

[Muttocracy]

5. WHICH executive office? nt

[lynne]

6. Welcome to the 14th Century -

[natrat]

8. is somebody that bored they have to think up worthless shit like this

[Solon]

10. Hey, this was inspired by beachmom's thread...

I just thought I'd roll with it and see how far DUers would be willing to take it!

[NashVegas]

26. I've Seen Two

"I'm not voting with my vagina" references here today. That's about the ultimate example of mind-warping from this election cycle.

Hello? This is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND and we wouldn't expect any member here to suddenly fall in love with a Republican ticket no matter what the circumstances. So why the need to say out loud you won't vote for a ticket with Salin?

[Fearless]

9. Maybe... and I mean only maybe...

It would be appropriate not to plan to have children during time in office as it is a justifiably large distraction. Yet, I don't think that one should be prohibited from doing it.

[Bucky]

11. This is a subversive poll. It reminds DUers who take cheap shots at Palin of our values.

You magnificent bastard. We can beat McCain-Palin on the issues. We don't have to be uncivil or ungallant to win.

I, for one, intend to fight using Obama's example. Fight like hell, but fight fair.

[Solon]

13. YES! Somebody get's it!

:toast:

And I didn't even have to make it a push poll, and I decided not to editorialize.

[Bucky]

15. "gets"

:|

[Solon]

17. Oooops!

:blush:

[LittleClarkie]

21. It's not that she just had a child, at least not for me.

see my answer below.

[sarge43]

14. Now that would be one hell of a Constitutional amendment.

But hey why not, just as long as the only men who can run for executive office are chemically or surgically castrated - all that horndogging is distracting and often detrimental, don'tchaknow.

[asdjrocky]

16. That's just crazy.

[LittleClarkie]

19. How responsible is it to have a special needs child, KNOW you are having one

and then decide to hand off the raising of such a child to someone else, all the while touting how your choice shows how very pro-life you are?

What a special gift God has given her, she says. What a challenge! For who? The nanny?

And what about parents who don't have the resources that she has at her disposal? Is she supposed to be better than they are for having made this choice to have this child?

Don't even get me started!

[Tennessee Gal]

22. That is what is bothering me tonight.

[LittleClarkie]

28. Glad I'm not the only one. Here in Freeperville, trying to iron out my thoughts

as to why this woman irritated me so much, I started to feel petty and alone.

Y'all have helped me tonight by validating what I was thinking and letting me know I'm NOT alone.

I thank you all.

[Bluerthanblue]

30. bothering me as well- and I'm not ashamed to admit it.-

McCain's description was someone who puts responsibility above privlidge-

Where is her own responsibility to that baby? To her other 3 children still in the home? To the state she's "Governor" of?

[Ilsa]

32. ITA. And this is about her hypocrisy on "family values". nt

[Solon]

37. Does she bear more or less responsibility than her husband in this?

Or to put it another way, IF she were a father, rather than a mother, would you still question whether she should run for executive office, even with a special needs child?

[LittleClarkie]

41. He's not the one holding up her choice to have the child as evidence of her

pro-life morality. Her husband is not running for president, and can't have babies. It doesn't have the same impact. It was her choice. Okay fine. But don't hold yourself up as some sort of bastion of pro-life morality when you're not the one who's actually going to be raising the child.

[Solon]

44. So you admit there's a double standard!

OK, that's all I wanted to know.

[LittleClarkie]

48. Dude, are you going to lecture me on feminism?

So you know more about my rights that I do? I see.

Let me know when you're physically able to have a child and make that choice. Then we'll chat.

[qwlauren35]

52. Actually, I don't question her timing at all.

If she has a husband who is willing to play Mr. Mom, then she should go ahead. The Kennedys were young parents!

We're only talking about two intense months of campaigning, and then she can insist on a more reasonable schedule unless she becomes president.

Me personally, I would not have done it. However, I would add that if the kid is NOT hers, maybe her daughter will offer to look after the kid most of the time.

[Bluerthanblue]

23. Disagree, but if you have just given birth to a baby, have 3 other

children in the home, a full time job as Governor, push the concept of taking your 'responsibilities' seriously, and are staunchly anti abortion and you choose to accept an offer to run for vice president, knowing that at the very least, the net 69 days of your life will be a whirlwind of public appearances, unbearable scrutiny of your entire family by the press, AND the public, and have already worked to twist your 'story' to fit the image required by the job offer, expect to hear people remind you of where your first responsibilities really LAY- according to your very own words.

[JVS]

27. you have a point there.

[CatsDogsBabies]

35. It is not a reproductive issue

it is family issue. I also had questions about Edwards running given that his wife is terminally ill. I haven't lost a spouse, but have seen in others how traumatic and difficult an experience this is. The poll seems silly to me. Just because it rubs some people the wrong way that any parent would choose to be absent from the life of their newborn doesn't mean they are holding a double standard.

[Bluerthanblue]

45. it is a parental nurturing issue-

and even more important because this little guy is special needs- For the first months at the very least. She is not living up to her own dictates for others.

It's all well and good to talk about 'being responsible'- it's quite another thing to do what you know is your responsibility even if you could buy your way out of it- or avoid doing what you say other people should do. She's being held to her own standard and falling short.

Elizabeth had her say in what she wanted John to do- The baby doesn't.

[CatsDogsBabies]

49. I agree the situation with Elizabeth Edwards was different

because she is an adult. However, I think it is inaccurate to say that people only consider a woman's family situation and not a man's.

[KittyWampus]

25. certainly don't think it's appropriate for women to reproduce WHILE serving as POTUS

[Solon]

31. Why not?

Is it appropriate for a man to reproduce while in office?

[KittyWampus]

36. are you that desperate to kick your asinine thread? Men don't go through childbirth

and hormones RAGE through various stages of a pregnancy.

[Solon]

39. So, what, your concern is that a woman, in hormonal upswing or downswing...

will what? Push the so called "Red button"?

[CatsDogsBabies]

38. I think this would be much more desirable than

embarking on the campaign trail with an infant.

[vaberella]

29. Extremely sexist poll, and I wonder who originally asked this question. n/t

[Solon]

33. Of course its sexist, its a reflection of the pervasive attitude I see on DU tonight.

I'm just letting them look in the mirror.

[LittleClarkie]

40. Then you're missing the point

it is we who are holding up the mirror to this woman's hypocrisy. The party of family values. Holding up the choice to have a special needs child as evidence of her pro-life morality, and then handing off the raising of this child to someone else while she campaigns for VP. Others don't have the resources that she has, and shouldn't be made to feel inferior for the choices they've had to make.

[Solon]

42. I would agree with that statement if it were consistently applied to men as well...

as fathers who are equally absentee from their children's lives, unfortunately, too often in our culture, they are given a pass.

[Bluerthanblue]

51. I agree that too often fathers are absent from their childrens lives-

and it also is something that they don't have much choice in- but your argument that the standard has to be held to both father and mother or it can't be held to either is a dangerous one.

I've raised my children without any father in their life for the last 13yrs, and if I didn't take my responsibility to them seriously, they would have been put into state care- something that would have benefited no one. Least of all my children.

Kids don't ask to be born, they have absolutely NO say- and they shouldn't be treated like cabbage patch kids that can be tossed aside when they interfere with our 'plans'.

:shrug:

[WeDidIt]

46. Sarah Palin's reproductive life is OFF LIMITS

PERIOD.

[CatsDogsBabies]

53. I agree ...

but her family life is not. Reproduction and family are not the same thing.

[Bluerthanblue]

54. not when she makes my reproductive life HER BUSINESS-

EXCLAMATION POINT

[qwlauren35]

47. I agree that the only PEOPLE running for office

should be those who are not in the process of STARTING a family. It's just bad timing. And I think it should be delayed during the time someone is president. Moreover, if it were to happen, I'd rather that the VP be in charge for a few months before and after the baby is born.
For those few months, I just think it's more important to be a parent than a president.

[ismnotwasm]

50. Oh wow

So far, three voted voted "agree" two "other". Now that's some bullshit right there.

I do respectfully ask Governor Palin to stay the fuck out of my uterus with her fucked up, forced birth laws though

[Mass]

55. I guess she can run, but this shows how much she is interested by this baby.

It is not about running for a local office, or about working for a company, even at a high position.

It is about somebody who claim she has family values (understand cares about her kids) and decides that somebody else is going to take care of her 4 month old, potentially for the 4 next months.

And the difference between her and Obama is that Obama recognizes that he is too much absent, while she is promoting family values and presenting herself as a " hockey mom".