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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:36 PM
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Schweitzer takes swipe at Hugo Chavez, "Petro dictators"
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:37 PM
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1. Um....
Schweitzer rocked!

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:38 PM
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2. yes he did, and he's right about Chavez.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:42 PM
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3. Sounds more like the Saudis to me.
Last time I checked, they had a democracy in Venezuela.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:46 PM
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4. sounds more like Exxon to me
The Saudis are simply their muscle.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:47 PM
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6. he said the same thing about Chavez by name on 60 Minutes
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:49 PM
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8. I guess he doesn't know much about Venezuela
or else he is just pandering.

My guess is the latter.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:03 AM
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19. Schweitzer's right: Chavez is a thug
Human rights violations, including torture, extrajudicial executions and enforced disappearances perpetrated by members of the security forces remained unpunished.

• In July the bodies of eight people, including two children, were found on a ranch in the villages of La Victoria and El Nula in Alto Apure region, on the border with Colombia. Their hands were tied and they had been shot and their bodies burned. Witness accounts and initial evidence obtained by the police indicated that several members of the military had been involved in the killings. Despite this, only one member of the military was charged and tried for this crime. Human rights organizations alleged that this was part of a wider pattern of human rights violations by the same military unit against rural communities in Apure state.


Human rights defenders continued to be threatened and intimidated. In May the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights reiterated its concern at threats and other open hostility towards human rights defenders by government officials who publicly referred to human rights defenders as "coup plotters" and agents of instability.

• In April, María del Rosario Guerrero and her husband, Adolfo Martínez Barrios, were victims of an attempted assassination in Guárico state. They had been the subject of a campaign of defamation and intimidation since 2001, apparently linked to María del Rosario Guerrero's allegations of human rights violations by the police in Guárico state. By the end of the year, María del Rosario Guerrero was receiving protection, following a ruling by the Inter-American Court of Human Rights.


http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/americas/south-america/venezuela#report

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:47 PM
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21. Wow! Check out these thugs.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 05:02 PM
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22. Still looking for where your link blames Chavez for murders committed by the military.
AKAIK, the Ven. military has a lot of the right-wing assholes that Chavez is fighting against.

While I'm looking, read this link about more military murders:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/world/middleeast/27abuse.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

If you really want to learn about oil dictators, read this:

http://www.amnestyusa.org/all-countries/saudi-arabia/page.do?id=1011230&n1=3&n2=30&n3=980

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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:28 AM
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17. Sounded like the whole damn Oil industry
Hugo, Saudis, Exxon, BP, et al.

Big Bri was spot on and rockin!
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:47 PM
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5. I thought he was talking about the Cheney/bush crime family...nt
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 08:25 AM
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12. nope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4IWxxX1IQU

1:17 in...

Mirroring what he said on 60 Minutes:

"Why wouldn’t we create an economic engine that will take us into the next century, and let those sheiks and dictators and rats and crooks from all over the world boil in their own oil?... Hugo Chavez, the Saudi royal family, the leaders of Iran... 'How about the countries that end with 'stan'? Nigeria? You tell me. Sheiks, rats, crooks, dictators, sure."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/24/60minutes/main1343604.shtml
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:18 PM
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25. Me too, I heard a snipet on the radio and came here to find out who said it.
I assumed he was talking about BushCo!

Now I'm not so impressed!
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:48 PM
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7. dupe
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 09:48 PM by OwnedByFerrets
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:51 PM
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9. Putin maybe?
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:59 PM
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10. Aren't you editorializing and or projecting?
Did his actual speech deviate from these prepared remarks?

Right now, the United States imports about 70 percent of its oil from overseas. At the same time, billions of dollars that we spend on all that foreign oil seems to end up in the bank accounts of those around the world who are openly hostile to American values and our way of life. This costly reliance on fossil fuels threatens America and the world in other ways, too. CO2 emissions are increasing global temperatures, sea levels are rising and storms are getting worse.

We need to break America's addiction to foreign oil. We need a new energy system that is clean, green and American-made. And we need a president who can marshal our nation's resources, get the job done and deliver the change we need.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 08:24 AM
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11. neither. I'm factualizing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4IWxxX1IQU

1:17 in...

Mirroring what he said on 60 Minutes:

"Why wouldn’t we create an economic engine that will take us into the next century, and let those sheiks and dictators and rats and crooks from all over the world boil in their own oil?... Hugo Chavez, the Saudi royal family, the leaders of Iran... 'How about the countries that end with 'stan'? Nigeria? You tell me. Sheiks, rats, crooks, dictators, sure."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/24/60minutes/main1343604.shtml
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 08:34 AM
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13. He didn't name Chavez in his speech last night
But I'm sure, if pressed, Chavez is on Schweitzer's list. No sense getting into a technical argument about "democracy." Bashing Chavez is good American politics, provided that you have a progressive policy for the production and distribution of energy. That's what our side offers, as opposed to the intellectual and moral emptiness of Bushco's saber-rattling and Big Oil butt kissing.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 08:36 AM
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14. They are all Petrol dictators. Time to get away from big oil from any source.
Schweitzer was right on about all of it, his whole speech was great. Hillary was very good and might have united the party last night but Montana's governor ROCKED it out of the park. He was very folksy and charming as well.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 08:52 AM
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15. seems to me he was purposefully lumping Bush/Cheney with Saudis
perhaps Chavez was on his mind but it did not come across that way to me
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:13 AM
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16. see post #11.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:47 AM
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18. It was sad the media ignored him for the most part...
He put the energy issue into down-to-earth terms. He got the delegates involved into the speech before it was over. I was happy and laughing with joy listening to him...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:10 AM
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20. Because clever slogans will surely help.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 05:36 PM
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24. Bumper stickers and fear have gotten repugs elected in the last two
cycles. They work but the dems dont have the sense to use them well. Who in his right mind would try to sell a product called Schip instead of the Saving our Children Act.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 05:16 PM
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23. I thought he was talking about the Saudis? He has experience with them after all.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:20 PM
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26. Saudis are the real Petro dictators, with US blessing
Chavez wants more of his oil wealth to stay at home.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:26 PM
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27. Cheney et al.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:32 PM
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28. At least Chavez was democratically elected, unlike Booosh nt
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