I was wrong about Hillary-----Hillary would be a better pick for VP than Biden...

[tokenlib]

All the reasons why some of us opposed Hillary for VP are equally applicable to Biden. At least Hillary only voted for bankruptcy reform once and then regretted it. Hillary is feisty and can do the attack dog role. Bill may choose to be busy with foundation business the next four years. Hillary would help on health care--the republicans respect her more now than they did as first lady.

Hillary causes problems for the change theme a lot less than Biden does...

I'll even enjoy Hillary's cackle as long as I don't have to think of Biden carrying the water for the predatory credit card lenders.

If it's down to Biden..it's time for Hillary. And most of the democratic party would rejoice.

[anonymous171]

1. Except that Obama spent the entire primary saying that Hillary represented the status quo.

[tokenlib]

2. Biden is as much status quo as Hillary---that is my point.

Biden as the choice mocks many of the arguments made here against Hillary.

[KittyWampus]

12. you obviously aren't familiar with Biden

[tokenlib]

17. If I knew him I'd understand, accept, and overlook his love for the banks--yeah right..n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

21. PA, IWR, BB, NAFTA- Yea

I'm familiar with Joe Biden.

[Romulox]

19. Precisely: "Don't vote for Hillary! She supported the WAR!!! Oh, and Biden for VP..."

[SuperTrouper]

24. Nobody can accuse Wes Clark of supporting the IWR...so he is the best candidate for VP

[GarbagemanLB]

3. Cue the GOP ads showing Hillary saying all Obama has is a speech and McCain has a lifetime of

experience...

[RiverStone]

4. Both candidates are the antipathy of "change" and either would be wrong

I'll support Obama no matter who he picks, but I'm hoping for a far different VP outcome then either of those two entrenched politicians.

[LisaM]

5. I was just looking up Biden's record on abortion and he only got a 36% rating from NARAL

That is unacceptable.

[KittyWampus]

13. not that bullshit again. it was covered ad nauseam during the primaries

[LisaM]

15. What do you mean bullshit?

There was a quote from him on MTP in 2007 where he said he didn't support public funding of abortions. You don't have a problem with that?

Are you saying this quote isn't true?


Q: Are you still opposed to public funding for abortion?
A: I still am opposed to public funding for abortion. It goes to the question of whether or not you're going to impose a view to support something that is not a guaranteed right but an affirmative action to promote.

Source: Meet the Press: 2007 "Meet the Candidates" series Apr 29, 2007

[scheming daemons]

6. Biden has the edge....because he's not married to Bill

[Spazito]

7. Hillary's McCain has the experience to be CinC, Obama has a speech...

disqualifies her, imo. Her biggest negative, however, is Bill BECAUSE he is a former President. Again, imagine the headlines if Hillery were to be chosen:

A STEALTH CLINTON THIRD TERM"

WHO IS MAKING THE REAL DECISIONS, PRESIDENT OBAMA OR PRESIDENT CLINTON?

The Obama campaign knows full well those headlines would appear in the MSM on more than one occasion.

[DJ13]

8. Hillary brings no foreign policy experience to Obama's ticket

She doesnt even bring economic experience to the ticket.

She brings nothing except Bill's experience, and no one wants to vote for a ménage à trois ticket.

[Cha]

23. Exactly...I don't know every little

thing about Joe Biden but from reading his supporters on DU and checking out what Biden's had to say lately..he's lookin' real good.

[paulk]

31. actually, people do want to vote for a "menage a trois" ticket

"Sen. Clinton is the only Democrat who gives Sen. Obama a statistically significant boost in any national poll results.

This is not a criticism of other candidates. This is simply a fact -- a product of Sen. Clinton's nearly 18-month national campaign in all 50 states and the 18 million votes she won. The result was a dramatic increase in her favorable ratings across the spectrum, even among some of her most conservative critics.

In late June, polls conducted by The Wall Street Journal/NBC and Fox/Opinion Dynamics -- using entirely different samples -- both showed Sen. Clinton giving Sen. Obama a +3% bump, pushing him over 51% for the first time, when the two of them were paired against Sen. McCain and Gov. Romney.

Most recently, in nationwide polling on July 22-23, a Fox/Opinion Dynamics poll showed a more dramatic bump of +8% with Sen. Clinton as Sen. Obama's vice presidential running mate. In a head-on match, it was Sen. Obama 41% to Sen. McCain's 40% (this was before the intense media coverage of his European trip). But with exactly the same sample, when all voters were presented with the choice of an Obama-Clinton ticket vs. McCain-Romney, the results were Obama-Clinton, 48% (+7%), and McCain-Romney 39% (-1%). "

[lib2DaBone]

9. The only problem with Biden...

Is that he voted for the Patriot Act and he foisted that terrible bankruptcy/Credit Card Legislation on the American Consumer just when the Recession was starting... not a good thing.

[KingFlorez]

10. I agree

Plus, Hillary hasn't been a fixture in politics as long as Biden has. I don't think we need a long time, career politician as VP.

[JackORoses]

11. soon, all the attempts to force Hillary onto the ticket will be forced to an end

and it's about time

[Median Democrat]

14. The Problem With Hillary Is That Her Supporters Are Right About Her Strengths As An Attack Dog

These VP supporters say that Hillary is much better and running an attacking political campaign and doing the dirty fighting needed to win an election.

They are right.

This is why Hillary is not a good VP pick.

The reason is that if Hillary is a great attack dog, and Obama is not as some people on this board have said, then this means that Hillary has not been subjected to a GOP style smear campaign by Obama. Now, if Obama is just as good at Hillary at getting down in the trenches, then he does not need her in this regard.

My question is that if her supporters are right about Hillary's strength and Obama's weakness at running a negative campaign, then what happens when Hillary herself becomes subject to a Karl Rove style negative campaign, since Obama is not good at such campaigns?

[Whisp]

18. Attack Dog, right... she and hubby would be attacking Obama even as VP

that's the only thing on her resumé I see under the Attack experience.
how myths get made.

[scheming daemons]

20. What good is being an "attack dog" if one is reluctant to attack McCain?

[MercutioATC]

16. Biden didn't spend 14 months saying that McCain was more qualified than Obama.

I don't want Biden either, but Clinton would be the worst possible choice.

[Romulox]

22. But Obama supporters DID spend 14 months saying support for the War is a disqualification...nt

[Egnever]

27. For the top spot yes

And preferably for the VP slot as well but we dont seem to have a lot of choices left for VP when we apply that standard now do we?

[MercutioATC]

28. Like I said, I don't want Biden either.

Those criteria kinda narrow the field, don't they?

[Romulox]

33. Neither of MY Senators supported the War, but they aren't being considered at all, so...nt

[CountAllVotes]

30. I agree

I think they both suck. Clinton more than Biden. :puke:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. i love HRC. really i do. however obama's message of change wont do very well

if hrc is on the ticket

he just spent a LONG time telling people how HRC was anti-change

[Captain Hilts]

26. She did NOT vote in favor of the bankruptcy bill. nt

[tokenlib]

32. Obama attacked her for the one time she voted for it during the primaries...

Hillary said she was glad that (after voting for it)it didn't pass. So obviously Hillary knew it was a mistake. Biden on the other hand would never admit his support for the banks is in error.

[Secret_Society]

29. Great point

If HRC is not good because she is an insider how is it that people are gaga over Biden.