Bayh sounds good on Face the Nation

[Peacetrain]

but he is letting Pawlenty elbow him on the table. Call it body language, but Bayh needs to push Pawlenty off the table. Bayh is all drawn in like a new kid at school, not wanting to attract attention. Push back Evan.

Time to Barack up and set your perimeters if you want to be considered

EDITING:

Bayh is too weak in how he comes across.He let Pawlenty own him on defining Obama. Cross this guy off my list!

[TwilightGardener]

1. He's doing fine--he's more calm and reassuring, he's letting Little Timmeh yammer away

and filibuster.

[Peacetrain]

3. He is calm in voice, but

he is not toughing up enough. The VP is the bulldog, not the reassurer. That is what the Presidential canidate does

[TwilightGardener]

6. Pawlenty just looked like an overeager McCain groupie, to me.

Just talking superfast to get all the talking points in, whether or not they fit the question. I thought Bayh, by comparison, was more convincing a surrogate.

[Peacetrain]

7. The VEEP needs to be a hell hound

Bayh and Pawlenty both .. not made of that stuff.. Though Pawlenty tried to push Bayh around physically, he is not of that stuff either.

[TwilightGardener]

8. I disagree--the VP needs to be able to attack and defend, but I don't

think that's their most important role--their main jobs are to either reinforce the candidate's message, or shore up where they're weak, and convince America that the ticket is a marriage made in heaven for the voter. They do need to come off as likable and credible and having some gravitas, as potential presidents themselves, and not just hyperactive, aggressive shills. Obama needs some more hell-hound shills beyond McCaskill and Kerry, but Bayh needs to portray himself as a potential leader, not just a fan.

[Avalux]

2. I will not be happy if Obama picks Bayh. I really do not see the draw. n/t

[Peacetrain]

5. It was just defined for me also

Evan Bayh may be too civil for the VP position.

[Dinger]

4. He's A Fan Of IWR.

No thanks on Bayh.

[napi21]

9. Bahy did ok, but that's the point! He did just ok. I still want Biden!

Just imagin what that debate would have been like between Pawlenty & Biden!

I view what Bahy & Pawlenty said as babble! I want someone who makes comments like "All Rudy says is a noun a verb & 911"!

[Gabi Hayes]

10. Bayh is a pussy. embarrassing performance. he could have taken

McCain apart, but chose not to

WHEN are they going to just get out there and call McCain a LIAR at every opportunity?

all they have to do is have a couple of his most obvious lies down pat, and REPEAT this charge over and over and over and over

the M$M will HAVE to mention the fact that ALL dems surrogates are demanding investigation into all the lies McCain spouts all the time, even denying that he SAID things, when it's all on tape

why are dems such PUSSIES?

sorry for the language, but tough titties

I've just about had it with wimpy squids like Bayh who won't fight fire with fire

Gov. Kaine, I thought, did MUCH better against Jinal, which surprised me, considering those who've said he's not such an effective speaker

anybody see that on MTP?

put a little starch in his spine, and I think he'd do quite well...

[Peacetrain]

12. I know Biden has some issues

that the right can attack him on..But Good gravy, if McCain can get a oopsie on leaving his wife, and his policy shifts, Biden has nothing to worry about.

Same for Richardson. They are a little rough around the edges, but that is okay also.

[Gabi Hayes]

13. ''if McCain can get a oopsie on leaving his wife, and his policy shifts,

Biden has nothing to worry about. ''

you're kidding, right?

like all the passes Obama got for, oh, like, not putting his hand on his heart, or not wearing a flag pin, or Edwards' four hundred dollar haircut?

the ONLY reason McCain is doing as well as he has done is that his ENTIRE presentation has been given a total 'oopsie'

where would you like to start:

his total immersion in the Keating 5 scandal, which cost the taxpayers over two BILLION dollars? the way he leaked and lied his way out of his complicity? here's a good explanation, and one of the very very few you'll find:



http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/Pluck_leaks_helped_senator_to_overcome_S_L_scandal+.shtml
Pluck, leaks helped McCain to overcome S&L scandal
By Walter V. Robinson, Globe Staff, 2/29/2000


A decade ago, Senator John McCain's role in the most politically corrosive episode of the $150 billion savings and loan debacle threatened to end a political career that now holds some promise of concluding instead with a McCain presidency. Back then, McCain said the Keating Five scandal was a more nightmarish experience than his years in a North Vietnamese prison camp.


What a difference a decade makes: One mischievous commentator recently suggested that the Keating Five was a rock group. And nowadays, McCain dismisses the tawdry Senate scandal as a mere asterisk in his career, in hopes the electorate will too.


Yet the scandal remains the other crucible of McCain's career, and its every filament is likely to be picked apart if McCain wins the Republican nomination, as now seems plausible.


With the passage of time, McCain's role has come to be seen as relatively benign. But had it not been for good fortune and determination - and carefully targeted news leaks that McCain subsequently denied responsibility for - McCain might have been badly tarnished.


He was a close friend and early congressional ally of Charles H. Keating Jr. - the figure at the core of scandal - and one of the leading beneficiaries of Keating's political and personal largesse. Yet, he benefited from decisions by the Senate Ethics Committee that minimized his culpability and the resulting sanction.

[Peacetrain]

17. At what point in time did we NOT know this

:) That being said, we can't let ourselves get all tied up in knots knowing they are going to do this it. We Barack up ( same as cowboy up in western Iowa) and go right at them in their own dens of hate.

I love how tough Obama is and willing to take them on even by himself. We need a veep just as strong.

[Gabi Hayes]

19. I agree on the strong candidate, but Biden has so many negatives, based solely on his senate

voting record, that he'll be on the defensive much of the time. it's the way the GOP/M$M play the game together

you have to take that into account. Gregory played a tape of ROVE commenting on Kaine as a candidate! he really did. Kaine did a fantastic job of shoving it back down Rove's throat, but the point is that M$M, at the very best, is going to be a heavy water carrier for the GOP, when they're not out and out actively spreading misinformation in their role as adjunct to the McCain campaign.

I watched bits of the MTP/THis Week discussions, and NOBODY brought up the obvious fact that McCain was spounting canned stump speech blovia, unalloyed, while that fat weaselprick Warren kept TELLING Obama NOT to use stump speech quotes, even before Obama had a chance to begin his answers!

even EJ Dionne didn't say a word about how canned/phony McCain presented. he's gone real soft lately, and I'm VERY disappointed

the rest of the This Week Panel, including former BUSH SPEECHWRITER, wet themselves over how fantastically McCain did, how well he communicated with his trog base, and how the BEST Obama can hope for is that some of the same idiots who turned out in legion for Bush will stay home.

[Gabi Hayes]

20. we know the facts on McCain, but the populace has NO CLUE.

all they know of is the phony narrative the M$M has constructed, just as they did of Bonnie Prince Bush, the man America likes to drink with

it's that simple, unfortunately, because the sheep are incapable of thinking past the well-conceived, marketing oriented, reductionist sound bite, which plays DIRECTLY to the emotions, and short circuits the thought process

they 'win' because they've mastered Marketing 101, as well as 202, 303, 404, and grad school levels. Rove is a genius at punching all the right buttons, and HL Mencken would surely crown him as master of masters

the sickest, saddest part of this is that the M$M not only won't CALL him on any of his lies/depredations, they REVEL in his magnificence, despite the evidence of the Bush's Brain book. can you imagine if that book got the media play of the Swiftboaters or Corsi?

and just wait for Freddoso. he's coming out with his trash NEXT week. guess what starts next week?

[Peacetrain]

25. Ahh you have hit a great point

We need someone out there that can get those points up, without and this is the big one, without bringing on the sympathy vote because we are beating up on an old man, who is a veteran and war hero. (which he is by the way, but so are a lot of people in public office, does not mean they are fit for the presidency)

He keeps telling those war stories, and it works great when he is with his audience, but like any old man that keeps telling the same story over and over again, people start to tune out.

And he has had some very shady dealings himself, he is trying to skirt that wife dumping issue, by there I said I am sorry, no go away. And lets us not forget Keating..yep..

You know of course his wife was the treasurer for that mess. The Keating 5.

[napi21]

27. The only issue I've heard mentioned lately is the plagerism.

I heard a terrific response to that if someone wants to start accusing. "OK, if you want to start talking about things from 20 years ago, lets talk about the Keating 5!" Even the MSM has said that Biden had referenced those same things many times in the past and always gave credit to the author. ONE TIME when he didn't, a reporter made a big deal out of it. You CAN'T say the same thing about the Keating 5 issue!

[Iwillnevergiveup]

11. Meanwhile

Kane didn't do too badly on Meet the Press.

[Hope And Change]

14. It`s Kaine by the way.

[wisteria]

15. Who the hell is Kane really and why would I want him to be VP

and possibly a future president? He is a one term governor from Va. Is his strategic location the only reason he is being considered? Does he deserve this spot on the ticket?

[No Elephants]

16. Bayh did fine.

I thought Bayh did fine. I was listening more than watching, though. If Pawlenty was elbowing him off the table. I hope he came across like a jerk, because that is all that kind of behavior signifies. I think Bayh is making his own mark for the future, but I don't want to see him now as VP.

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

18. I've never been a fan of Evan Bayh,

but he's impressing me today. He sounds smart, sharp, and makes his points well.

[salonghorn70]

21. Bayh Did A Great Job

Bayh did a great job. He was calm and precise. His dig at the end of the Interview against McCain's refusal to denounce the swift boating book was great. I thought Kaine did a great job on Meet the Press. Of course, I do favor Bayh.

[Barack_America]

22. Kaine, OTOH wiped the floor with Pawlenty on Fox News Sunday...

Got him totally off his game. He was flustered, interrupting. And Kaine did it, still appearing to be congenial the entire time. I was impressed.

[Peacetrain]

24. I like the sound of that!

I have this thing about Fox, I get heartburn trying to watch them, so I very rarely tune it.

[barack the house]

23. ...

[Thrill]

26. Whoever the VP is. The person already knows by now. And you can bet no one on TV today is the pick

I don't think they would send the pick out there on TV today. With the announcement coming this week.

Which means Bayh and Kaine are out.

My guess is we're looking at Biden, Webb, or Schweitzer

[IndianaGreen]

30. Biden is on his way to Georgia, according to a press release

Biden will be back in the US by midweek. I think Obama already decided and that Biden is our Veep!

[wisteria]

31. How very uninspiring and lacking in change. Biden is the epitome of old politics.

He isn't someone I can get excited about or even talk up, but if he is Obama's choice so be it.

[IndianaGreen]

34. Biden (and Chris Dodd) ran clean positive campaigns

and they minced no words on the issues. I was very impressed with the two of them, particularly Dodd when he left the campaign trail to fly to DC to filibuster Bush's FISA amnesty to telecoms.

[gateley]

36. I still haven't forgiven the rest of the Dem candidates

for not doing the same -- . Saying they supported Dodd's filibuster is a far cry from plunking their butts down in the Senate chambers to be there with him for support. I didn't care that much about Obama or Clinton since I wasn't interested in them at the time, but I was furious with Biden. Dodd deserves any accolades he received for this.

[Peacetrain]

32. Very Interesting... hmmmmmm

He will be winging in from Georgia with fresh perspective. Makes sense to me

[Condem]

28. peacetrain

how goes everything?

[Peacetrain]

29. Hey Condem

Well I don't know if you caught the post I left on tomatoes, but that seems like what is going on here.. handling the garden produce.

Otherwise, pretty quiet on here on the western side. How are things in Iowa City? I heard that the water is still so high, that a hard hard rain could start it all over again. I hope not!

Did you get to see Obama in CR? Hubby was all tied up moving our son into his new apt.,that he did not get a chance to go..

[Condem]

35. The kids are coming back, peace!

As for the river, it's back to normal. Down at City Park, however, the flood caused the Iowa to shift westward. Pretty wild. I missed Obama. It was a symposium for the victims, so it wasn't appropriate for me to go. Had a great time at the State Fair, Wednesday. Saw your candidate running against Steve King but I suppose he doesn't stand a chance. What a crazy summer, but in a college town, it ends early.

[Peacetrain]

38. I have been watching State Fair highlights today

on IPTV Oh I know our guy has an uphill battle against King..But there is always hope. Our son kept his registration out this way, so he can vote against King this fall. Downtickets are very important for us :)

Well should be jumping there in a week or so. Take care Condem

[anonymous171]

33. Obama and his surrogates need to be more hard-hitting about McCain.

Bayh was on the right track when he said that McCain can sound "bellicose" but he needed to pursue that point and say that McCain is a loose cannon whose first reaction is to push the button, then ask question.

[tulip]

37. Nice job Bayh

Irregardless of who is the next veep I thought Bayh handled himself in a dignified manner.

[DCBob]

39. Bayh will make a great VP

He does not need to be an attack dog. There are others doing that - Kerry, Biden, Hillary (hopefully). Bayh is good because of who he is -- middle america, solid, clean cut, white guy, semi-conservative, tons of experience. He probably delivers IN and helps with OH and PA and other states in midwest and rust belt.