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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:00 PM
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I agree. Media loves McCain's Karl Rove tactics...Obama does not take them seriously enough.
Edited on Mon Aug-04-08 12:42 PM by madfloridian
I happened on this post today at Huff Post. Yes, the media does love those tactics of ridicule and humiliation, even if they are stupid. They will play that kind of stuff over and over, playing to the least informed among us.

No skin off their teeth if McCain wins. In fact probably better for their corporate owners.

Vintage Karl Rove tactics loved by Media

There is a plausible argument that no one has so negatively impacted the lives of the American people and the world as has Karl Rove. Not only did he elect an incompetent, not only did he misuse the White House to further his goal of a permanent Republican majority, but he has destroyed the American political dialogue. The mainstream media, interested only in ratings, has lapped it up. What simpler and inexpensive way to cover a contest whose outcome has profound stakes for the entire world than to treat the nonsense as important. Fox "News," interested only in electing Republicans, has presented it as, to quote Rove himself about the outing of Valerie Plame, "fair game."

The Obama Camp seems not to grasp fully what is going on. Responding in logical, measured terms that rationally pushes back on McCain's ads, they are missing the emotional side of the attacks that is the determining factor in 98% of decisionmaking, and, thus, voting.

..."In the Democratic primaries Obama used one very successful strategy of calling out the tactic, thus bringing it to peoples' consciousness, rather than leaving it buried in the emotional side of the brain. Hillary's "the sky is going to open" attempted mockery did not take hold, and she did not pursue it, in part because much of the primary electorate would not have tolerated it.

But, the McCain people do not care about much of the Democratic primary electorate. They want to undermine Obama, so their guy does not appear to be as lame as he actually is. Early in his career Rove and his people promoted death in the form of cigarettes. Then it was Bush. Now, it's McCain. They do not stop on their own, you have to stop them by making the price they pay too painful to continue.


The post suggests taking it very seriously, and it gives several suggestions on hitting back. One of them is to "show an empty stadium; trot out some of the DNC footage of McCain praising the economic situation."

Another suggestion: "Add to it his gaffes (including Joe Lieberman whispering in his ear), and his statement about the Iraq-Pakistan border..... and his vote for the Iraq War....and then, hit him on his experience, "John McCain claims to have experience, but has it been useful: he didn't know you were hurting economically, he didn't even understand who the enemy is in Iraq, he still has not apologized to the American people for promoting and voting for the war in Iraq"....."why listen to someone who has nothing to say" (still of empty stadium).."

This post by Drew Weston at The New Republic gave some tips I like.

We are poised for the nastiest, most racist presidential contest in modern American history. Why? Because John McCain can't win any other way.

Is there an antidote? Yes, and it's fourfold, dictated as much by our psychology as our politics:

(1) Do not let attacks fester, where they can affect voters' unconscious associations and feelings toward a candidate long after they learn that the initial information was untrue.

(2) Create a counter-narrative about who Barack Obama is that makes clear that he is "us," not "them," and that his story is our story. (His first general-election ad appears to be an effort to do just that.)

(3) Strike hard at the character of those who would attack a man's patriotism, wife, faith, and race, so that the issue is their character, not his.


(4) Resist the temptations to run away from talking honestly about race or to speak about issues related to race euphemistically. Our better angels on race are our conscious values. The more Barack Obama can fight this battle on the conscious battlefield, where virtually all Americans oppose racial discrimination, the more he will win the hearts and minds of the American people, and the more they will feel they know, trust, and can identify with him. The more Republicans succeed in fighting a subterranean racial insurgency, the greater their chances of beating the odds in November.

Drew Westen is Professor of Psychology and Psychiatry at Emory University and author of The Political Brain.
McCain's low road to victory


Nearly all of McCain's campaign staff were raised in the hateful tactics of Karl Rove.

...."The elevation of Steve Schmidt -- who worked closely with Karl Rove -- at McCain's headquarters represented a sharp diminishment of the responsibilities of Rick Davis, who has been McCain's campaign manager since the last shake-up nearly a year ago.

The move is the latest sign of increasing influence of veterans of Rove's shop in the McCain operation. Nicolle Wallace, who was communications director for Bush in the 2004 campaign (and in his White House) has joined the campaign as a senior adviser, and will travel with McCain every other week. Greg Jenkins, another veteran of Rove's operation who is a former Fox News producer and director of presidential advance in the Bush White House, was hired by Schmidt last week after a series of what McCain's advisers acknowledged were poorly executed campaign events."


Wayne Slater, the author of Bush's Brain, said that the "arrogant" theme used against Obama after he got back from Europe was in fact the brain child of Karl Rove....and the media went along for the ride.

Wayne Slater of Bush's Brain....says Rove started the "arrogant Obama" stuff and media fell for it.

Few political operatives are better at definding an opponent's weakspot than Karl Rove. Bush's Brain has been busy pressing the case that voters should view Barack Obama's confidence as arrogance. And it's working. He's compared Obama to a condescending know-it-all at the clubhouse. He told FoxNews the other day that Obama's overseas trip "bespoke a little of arrogance and brashness." And like a dogwhistle to the troops, his call has been heard by GOP allies from radio talker Rush Limbaugh to cable TV's Sean Hannity.

But here's the beauty part: Even the dreaded MSM -- the mainstream media -- is picking up the theme. In the latest issue of the New Republic, Gabriel Sherman found reporters complaining that Obama's campaign was "acting like the Prom Queen." New York Times' Adam Nagourney cites an unprecedended overreaction by the Obama camp to one of his stories. And the New Yorker let it be known it was excluded from Obama's overseas trip because of that satirical magazine cover in which the campaign was not amused.

Now comes Dana Milbank of The Washington Post with a piece that begins: "Barack Obama has long been his party's presumptive nominee. Now he's becoming its presumptuous nominee."

Karl certainly knows how to call them.


I don't know the answer to how to fight these hateful tactics, but it appears the right wing for years will continue the Rove legacy.

They have taken out some of our best Democrats...they have done it by making our side fearful of offending them.

Rove is really still in power, and the media does love him indeed.


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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:03 PM
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1. Obama will not let this slip through his fingers.
While the Media Heathers may be amused at the resurrection of Karl Rove tactics, Obama beat that mindset in the primary and is smart enough to make whatever adjustments are necessary to win.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:08 PM
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3. Hopefully the strength of his ground campaign can overcome the media
negativity on the national news. Local coverage is not bad at all for him.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:07 PM
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2. At the risk of being called "concerned..."
August 24, 2007:

Obama camp: Clinton obsessed with GOP "attack machine"

A top adviser for Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said Friday that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), the front-runner for her party’s presidential nomination, is obsessed “with what she calls the Republican attack machine.”

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/obama-camp-says-clinton-is-obsessed-with-gop-attack-machine-2007-08-24.html

Obama, I love your message but it's time to play some offense...
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 03:49 PM
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10. Absolutely! When.will.we.learn?
Edited on Mon Aug-04-08 03:54 PM by mzmolly
It doesn't matter that we're better at managing the country, it matters that we let the Republicans control the debate. For example, instead of Obama tying the war to the cost of oil, he says "I'll consider drilling?"

Americans are simple, they need sound bites and emotional issues to grasp. The cost of gas and the war are two things we are angry about. Let's educate Americans with a simplified message bringing these two together ~ http://www.consumersforpeace.org/images/consumers-retail-price-gas.pdf



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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:08 PM
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4. Big Media love Republicans on everything, period.
Doesn't matter if it is Karl Rove or the Joker.

It isn't about Rove's tactics, it is about the Republicans push to deregulate everything, give large tax cuts to large corporation and rich folks and offer no oversight.

Rove tactics are an excuse......but he is not the reason that the media does what it does to Democratic politicians.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 02:02 PM
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5. His tactics are more dangerous than ones in the past from the Republicans
I have Republican family members who have been alarmed at Rove for years. It took them a while to realize what was happening.

They blame him for so much now.

Yes, it in the long run may be more about deregulation, etc....but in the short run those tactics do work.
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 02:32 PM
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6. If he thinks this is a rerun of the primaries, then he will lose.
The Clinton team did reasonably well tarnishing Obama with relentless issue-less attacks. But in the end he prevailed (barely) by sticking to a high road. If he and his team expect the same thing to happen, then McCain will win. Swing voters are more susceptible to shallow personal smears than Democrats, because many of them pay very little attention to the issues and only get brief caricatures of the candidates whom they vote for (or against) before election day. If the limits of their political understanding is McCain = "war hero maverick guy" and Obama = "arrogant guy who thinks he's better than me," then McCain will win.

Obama needs to shift tactics toward a General Election Strategy beyond just appealing to the center with issues. He needs to go after McCain the man.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 02:51 PM
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7. That is a good delination ...
Between the primary and general ...

IMO, he has to let the 527s and DNC go to work ...

I think the fair game is ...

1) connecting him to Bush - they are operating from the same paradigm ...
2) his functioning ... Sorry, the man IS half senile and is losing his mental capacities increasingly each and every day ...

IMO, they could do ONE ad ... ONE, and run it 100 times a day from now the election and BO would be COMPLETELY assured of winning ...

Pic 1) Bush and McCain standing together on a stage waving to the audience with Bush's arm around McCain ...
Pic 2) THE HUG, again, both on stage, this time with McCain giving Bush a big hug with a pathetically happy grin on his face, with Bush looking over him into the audience with that "this clown is my bwitch" ...
Pic 3) The pic from the other weekend with McCain in a golf cart with Poppy, a hand written sign on the cart hands off, for 41, and Poppy wearing a turtleneck ...
Pic 4) McCain stuttering around like a moron when asked the birth control question ...
Pic 5) Fading out with pic of him sleeping on the senate floor ...

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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:21 PM
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13. Cosmocat, I really like that.
You should start a new thread with this to get it some attention. Maybe we can get someone like MoveOn to fund an ad like this.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 06:22 PM
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16. And less we forget,
(or just conveniently chose to ignore) during those primaries he had the media mostly working for him. Now they have forgotten all the wonderful things they once said about him. Back in March, he was the eloquent spokesman of change. Now we have George Will complaining that Obama is too out there, too full of big words. This from George Will of all the blathering fools. DU cheered MSM when they attacked Hillary, but now she is not their target, our guy is.

The new politics needs to be a new way of wining, not just a new way to lose. We're gonna get toasted if we don't figure out that the general is different than the primary.

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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 03:08 PM
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8. Ididocracy - America is dumber than a bag of rocks.
Edited on Mon Aug-04-08 03:10 PM by paparush
America has devolved beyond the point of critical dialogue and statesman-like debate.

Mud, lies, slander, cheap shots. Its Montel-style politics.

The Republican-Corporate-Christofascist triumvirate understand this very well.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 03:13 PM
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9. You've really said a lot here, and I agree with all of it. K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 03:50 PM
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11. He is such an outstanding candidate. One of the best we have ever had.
I can see where he wants to take the high road, but there may be times he has to go lower than he wants.

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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 03:56 PM
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12. Dukakis didn't take Lee Atwater's tactics seriously
Dukakis didn't take Lee Atwater's tactics seriously. Look where it got him.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:23 PM
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14. K&R
:kick:
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Randypiper Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 06:04 PM
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15. They are making a dent
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 06:22 PM
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17. Then you should hide.
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 07:58 PM
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18. Democrats should never underestimate Karl Rove.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 08:28 PM
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19. Right. They should never forgot his power.
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:05 AM
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20. I can never figure out why,
Democrats don't run truth to power attack ads on the slimebag GOPigs. Not only should they target McCain, they should also target their slimemachine that started in 1988 with the Willie Horton soundbites. They should expose who finances this shit and benefits from GOPig victories. How about the 400 million fatted pig Limbaugh who just got congratulated for 20 years of shit by Poppy and Jeb. Why the fuck isn't that maggot in prison for drug charges? We have poverty at an alltime high and that shit gets four tenths of a billion! '92 and '96 were the only elections in recent history that were remotely run on issues all the rest from '88 on were won by GOPig shit. I can't figure out why we don't hit those bags of shit hard. It gets fucking old watching competent presidential contenders get beat because we won't fight dirty.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:22 AM
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21. Timing, Obama has 3-4 weeks before he does to McBush what he did to Hillary, timing is key...
McCain will only come back with dumb ass attacks that Obama will have to respond to. (Keating 5 anyone?)
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 03:24 AM
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22. No tactic is beneath
the party of Purple Heart Band Aids.
The public needs to be reminded of the vile Purple Heart Band Aids from a party of vile scumbags.
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georgecolombo Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:07 AM
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23. What Obama Knows (That Many Of Us Forget)
While the Republican attack machine is vicious, it is not altogether different from what Obama faced in the primaries. His measured response served him well then and I believe it will serve him well now. What we all tend to forget is that it would be "game over" if the Republicans can provoke an opportunity to portray him as an "angry black man." Fair or not, he will be perceived differently and will be help to a different standard of civility than a white candidate. I believe that he and his team understand the situation and are responding more or less appropriately. Their strategy and temperament were good enough to beat Hillary Clinton; I believe they will be good enough to beat John McCain.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:57 AM
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24. I agree with most of what you said.
But remember that many of the Clinton supporters in the primary are organizing likely with help from the GOP...to fight Obama. Instead of accepting defeat they are actively working against him.
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liam_laddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 11:45 PM
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25. Big Media wants only to stir up
a horse race to keep viewer/listener/readership from totally tanking. After all, ratings and circulation are all that matters. Truth, accuracy, relevance be damned, the bottom line is their only god.
Look at your local sportspage numbers; Joe Sixpacks care more about Farve's future than their own kids' futures as IED fodder. Idiots! Demonstrates all too clearly the near-total failure, perhaps intentional, of the overall (read public) educational system in this country. YMMV.
To the countless thousands of dedicated and effective teachers out there; don't take this personally. I'm just looking at the results of decades of ineffective support of our schools. The result? About a third of the country, if polls are to be accepted, think Bush is okay. And more than that can't find Iraq on a map, much less have any grasp of history...here, mid-east anywhere! But they know how to run their video games!
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