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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:07 PM
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Biden Praises Obama's Spine, Tells McCain To Study History
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 06:07 PM by ErinBerin84
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/15/biden-praises-obamas-spin_n_112921.html

Biden Praises Obama's Spine, Tells McCain To Study History

Sen. Joseph Biden started his speech to the Center for U.S. Global Engagement on Tuesday with the caveat that he is not an Obama insider. But he certainly played the part. Saying that he knew the Illinois Democrat well from their time together on the campaign trail, Biden said of Obama, he "has the judgment, he has the intellect, which no one doubts, and I guarantee you he has the steel in his spine to lead this country of ours out of the deep hole we have dug ourselves into."


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His Obama testimony now complete, Biden-the-surrogate turned to the other task at hand: ripping apart the foreign policy of Sen. John McCain. At times, his critique was scathing, accusing the presumptive Republican nominee of lacking the basic gravitas and intellectual capacity to navigate the choppy international waters.

"President Bush and Sen. McCain lump all the threats together," said Biden. "Al Qaeda, the Shia militia, listen to them speak. Listen to my friend Joe Lieberman, and he really is a friend, listen to them speak. Find me a distinction that they make. As a consequence of this profound confusion they make profound mistakes. The idea that al Qaeda will cooperate with the philistine, a guy who in fact used to run the country in Iraq, the guy who did away with the caliphate... is completely contrary to anything that the now-dead leader of Iraq had in mind. It's dangerous. How can we run a sound foreign policy without understanding these decisions? How can we talk about a Shiite-dominated nation cooperating with a Sunni dominated Wahabi sect of Islam as if they had anything in common? Yet listen to my friends, listen to the president, listen to Joe Lieberman, listen to John McCain. Ladies and gentlemen, if they can't define the enemy we are fighting it is very difficult to define whether we have won or lost."

It was a vintage Biden performance, with theatrical and abrupt changes in tone tempered by equally dramatic pauses. Defying the conventional wisdom that foreign policy critiques must come in digestible sound bites, he walked the crowd (already well-versed in Middle East affairs) through what he presented as the major fallacies in the McCain doctrine. Much time was spent on Iran.

"I find it fascinating, the twisted logic of my friends on the other side talking about how this allows Iran to fight a proxy war against us in Iraq," Biden roared. "Huh? Guess what. What more would Iran like than the continuation of a 140,000 to 160,000 Americans in Iraq, bogged down in Iraq, no end in sight. Tell me how much Ahmadinejad would like to inherit a fractured Iraq. Study history. The premises upon which they rationalize I find breathtaking. The idea that John and Joe are going to eliminate any vestige of Iranian influence in Iraq, bless me father for I have sinned. Are they unaware of a border that has existed there for millennium? Are they unaware of the fact that our guy, Maliki is inviting Ahmadinejad to Baghdad and kissing him on both cheeks, literally not figuratively. Are they unaware of the fact that this government in Iraq feels compelled to visit Tehran to explain what it is that they are attempting to do with a long-term security agreement?"

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:08 PM
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1. But only McCain can stop Suleimain the Magnificent.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 08:45 AM
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23. LOL
Poor guy, still fighting the last war... or the one only he was around for!
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:13 PM
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2. We need to get Joe a bigger microphone IMHO
He is the one dem besides Wesley Clark that can take this argument directly to mcsame and its an argument that needs to be made.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:15 PM
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3. "As a consequence of this profound confusion they make profound mistakes. "
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 06:21 PM by gateley
Love that.


EDIT to add: "...if they can't define the enemy we are fighting it is very difficult to define whether we have won or lost.""

Man, I'd LOVE to see video of this.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:33 PM
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4. K & R
He should be in the cabinet.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:24 PM
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15. Yes! He *will* be the Secretary of State!! n/t
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:37 PM
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5. Biden is Speaking like a True V.P.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:09 PM
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6. Rec'd! Love it! nt
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:28 PM
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7. Classic Biden. Facts and energy. Awesome. nt
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:32 PM
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8. look who else was on the agenda - Edwards and LIEberman!
http://www.usglobalengagement.org/Events/WashingtonConference2008/tabid/2946/Default.aspx

Biden and Edwards spoke AFTER LIEberman. McCain & Co. should have known better!!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:45 PM
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9. Thanks Senator Biden..you
speak well for our Democratic campaign.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:11 PM
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10. Wow! Everyday I think better of the idea of Biden for VP!
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:03 PM
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11. Here are his prepared remarks though Biden is not one to stick to script
:)

http://biden.senate.gov/press/press_releases/release/?id=3cc4e828-5e18-4e4a-be10-c7a40b309243

BIDEN: “Renewing American Leadership”

July 15, 2008

“Renewing American Leadership"
Joseph R. Biden, Jr.
Center for U.S. Global Engagement
Washington Conference “Election ’08: The Global Impact”
The Mayflower Hotel
Washington, D.C.

The speech, as prepared for delivery, is below.

“The force of arms won our independence, and throughout our history, the force of arms has protected our freedom.

But the very moment we declared our independence, we laid before the world the values behind our revolution....
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:09 PM
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12. Thank god for Joe Biden.
This man knows his stuff so well that he can catch McCain and the other repugs in all their lies and spin...and he's not afraid to speak out against it.

Why doesn't the media pay more attention to him? This is what the talking heads should have been repeating tonite, all of McCain's lies.

What more would Iran like than the continuation of a 140,000 to 160,000 Americans in Iraq, bogged down in Iraq, no end in sight.

You tell 'em, Joe! And thank you Senator Biden for supporting Obama.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 08:59 AM
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25. I love Joe
He was my first choice. I would love him to be Secy. of State. I'm leaning more towards VP only because he would be given a bigger mike and he's one of the few Dems. to be able to effectively smack down all of McCain's garbage.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:18 PM
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13. I like the idea of Joe Biden for VP.
I have several in mind, but he's definitely sassy enough to be on my short list.
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:23 PM
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14. My choice for VP. He always hits the target. He'd help Obama
in the northeast, midwest and Florida.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:28 PM
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16. Obama/Biden
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:40 PM
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17. You have been saying that for a long time.
Back in the day, I used to argue with you saying it should be Biden/Obama ;)

Not only did Biden go after McCain today, he consistantly praised Obama.

Personally, I'd like to see Biden as Obama's Sec of State.
Rumor has it that the two of them are good friends :)
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 12:56 AM
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19. After 8 years of VP could Biden be a Presidential candidate?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 01:50 AM
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20. No, he'd be too old, sadly. nt
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 12:57 PM
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32. too old? He'd only be 73 - McCain is 72 right now isn't he? n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 01:53 PM
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34. Well you have a point...:) nt
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 12:42 AM
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18. kickin' for my candidate!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 01:52 AM
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21. JOE-Bama!
Biden for Veep.

That's all.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 08:44 AM
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22. Go Joe!
No THERE'S a VP.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 08:57 AM
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24. please
give this man a cabinet position
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 09:00 AM
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26. Republicans don't study history!
In fact, it was eliminated from the NCLB concentration areas, just readin','rightin',and 'rithmatic!
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Jennifer C Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 10:21 AM
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27. K & R!
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 10:43 AM
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28. Absolutely wonderful
the idea that all the problems, issues, most of them not truly understood, can be lumped together into an amorphous enemy against which we must "win" is pathetically stupid. Biden brilliantly made the point.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 10:44 AM
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29. Love ya, Joe!
:loveya:


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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 11:03 AM
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30. K & R!
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 11:05 AM
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31. Joe Would Have Made A Great President...
He was my first choice...I do hope that America didn't miss their opportunity.

-P
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 12:58 PM
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33. Biden is always a class act! n/t
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