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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 10:21 AM
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Zogby showing Obama +3 in Arizona

http://www.zogby.com/50state/index.cfm

At one point McCain had a 25 point lead in Arizona and it has been declining steadily.

This latest Zogby poll shows that Barr gets 7% in Arizona (there was a well publicized interparty fued with McCain and conservative sections of the Republican Party earlier this year)

McCain's low standing in his own party in Arizona was reflected in his only getting 49% of the primary vote in his own home state.
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 10:24 AM
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1. I just don't think there's anything funnier
than McCain losing him home state. Doesn't Obama poll +20% in Illinois?
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 10:24 AM
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2. I don't trusts Zogby's interactive polls.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 10:29 AM
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5. by itself it wouldn't be creditable
but given McCain's inability to get even 50% of his primary vote it is clear that the resentments simply within his own party are real. Rasmussen also showed 6% picking third party candidates.

And another indicator that McCain is not well viewed in his own state was Rasmussen's numbers that only 21 % viewed him "Very Favorable" while 28% viewed Senator Obama as "Very Favorable".

It fits with recent trends in AZ

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 11:15 AM
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8. He spent more money here than I would have thought he needed to.
In the week up to the primary, he was running ads between the national and local newscasts every night including on the likes of Countdown--targeted ads for Arizona, too.

Ten years ago, he would have easily gotten 60% without breaking a sweat or an ad buy; he didn't even get 50% of the AZ primary vote this year.

AZ politicos ignore our rapidly changing demographics at their own peril; McCain is proof.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 11:18 AM
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9. well and there was a big interparty fight too


Also he is not doing that well in funding in AZ with the lowest percent of home state funds of any of the three final candidates
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 01:31 PM
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13. *shh* Don't spill the secret. Let them keep ignoring it. :)
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 10:28 AM
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3. What is Zogby Interactive exactly?
Does that mean it's an online poll? If so, then we DEFINENTLY have to take these with a grain of salt.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 10:32 AM
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7. It is not an online poll
Edited on Wed Jul-09-08 10:32 AM by grantcart
Methodology: Zogby International conducted an online survey of 1,142 likely voters. The poll ran from June 11-30. It carries a margin of error of +/- 3.0 percentage points.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 01:25 PM
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12. So it's an online poll...lol
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:51 PM
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24. It's an online poll with screened participants
Zogby screens and weights it according to survey information about folks who agree to participate. The way I understand it, is they keep a database of participants and they have to log in when asked to participate in a poll. It supposedly prevents stacking the results by supporters of a candidate or issue through this. It's definitely not as accurate as the phone polls but it is more accurate than the CNN polls they put up on their web site where anyone can vote.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 10:29 AM
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4. now where does this poll go if Richardson is on the ticket???
Edited on Wed Jul-09-08 10:29 AM by LSK
Obama +10 ?
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 10:31 AM
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6. Chudd Todd actually mentioned earlier that McCain isn't doing too well in his home state
First time I've heard it on tv.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 11:24 AM
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10. A.W.E.S.O.M.E.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 01:25 PM
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11. My father, a Raygun Democrat, lives in Arizona. I recently asked if he would be voting for McSame.
His response: "HELL NO! He's been running for President for the last 25 years."
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:06 PM
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27. Oh, I like that.
Someone ought to send that to the Obama campaign so they can use it.
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 01:35 PM
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14. That Zogby Poll might not be that accurate, but I bet it makes McCain sweat .... n/t
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 01:47 PM
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15. Ouch!
:)

Even if this is ten points off, that's still pretty crappy for McCain.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:36 PM
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16. Hey look! A thread not about that OTHER subject.
Kicking it for that reason and because I'd love to see Obama take AZ. :evilgrin:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:38 PM
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17. me too even though the poll has been shown to be unscientific lol
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:43 PM
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19. Yeah, I read about it in today's AZ Republic.
Couldn't believe they'd actually talk about it.
I get the feeling they don't like McBush too much either but they'll have little choice to come out in support of him.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:39 PM
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18. LMAO!!! AZ is in PLAY!
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:49 PM
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22. Maybe the Napolitano effect?
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:46 PM
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20. Well, maybe if he actually did something for AZ
people would be inclined to vote for him. But, since he doesn't even bother to show up to his job and vote on behalf of his constituents, why would they want him in an office where he can ignore more people??
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:50 PM
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23. Janet Napolitano for VP anyone????
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:49 PM
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21. holy shit! taking McLame's home state would be huge
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:15 PM
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28. Has a candidate ever won without
taking their home state?
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:29 PM
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31. Gore did
but beyond that I'm not sure.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:55 PM
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25. Oh grantcart, you know these posts make me giddy!
I just contacted the campaign to ask when the AZ office opens.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:57 PM
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26. Neither you nor I are surprised, though.
It's not rocket science ... McCain isn't really beloved by the conservatives in Arizona AND the influx of younger, college-educated folks is constantly changing the demographics there. It's a perfect state for Obama to threaten McCain ... McCain couldn't pass the "laugh test" among his colleagues (and backers) if he lost his own state to Obama.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:24 PM
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29. ROFL!
:rofl:
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:25 PM
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30. Oh Zogby!
:crazy:
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:29 PM
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32. LOLZ, That would be so, so sweet if he loses AZ...
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:52 PM
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33. and now the media is taking an interest
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NattPang Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 10:01 PM
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34. Well, whether this will happen,
it is good to hear.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 10:04 PM
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35. OMG

I would have never believed this!
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