***NOTE: SILLY SEASON HAS OFFICIALLY STARTED****

[PretzelWarrior]

I am expecting to see from here on out at least 5 topics a day sprout up that to one degree or another attempt to point out the fucking obvious: "Obama can in no way be all things to all people and is not perfect".

So, I am not surprised when I see stuff like "Obama isn't all warm and fuzzy for Muslim Americans", "Whites don't know what to think of Obama", "Blacks feel betrayed by Obama", "Hawaiians think Obama doesn't mention their state enough", "Obama has been nominee a whole 2 weeks and STILL no cure for cancer".

If that is what gets your rocks off then by no means let me stop you.....but it's stupid.

I SHOULD BE SEEING A TEN TO ONE RATIO here about McCain slams ON DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. But I don't. How fucked up is that, people?

Get this. Your choice isn't A)Obama and B)Theoretical candidate who will call me every night to ask my opinion.

Your choice is:

A)

or

B)

[babylonsister]

1. I thought that started around February 6th. Another one?

:wow: And oy.

And I try to do my part and agree; McCain is now 'the enemy'. Get with the program, DUers!

[HowHasItComeToThis]

54. REPUBLICANS ARE SO AFRAID, POOR FOOLS

CAN'T STAND VARIETY

[jgraz]

2. Yes, let's turn into Freepers. No dissent allowed.

:eyes:

Perhaps you should look up "democratic" in the dictionary... might help clear a few things up for you.

[PretzelWarrior]

5. WTF? I'm saying you're being unreasonable

I specifically left out your rants and the many others about FISA because I can at least see merit in the argument. I think you're pointing your guns at the wrong target and have pointed that out quite a few times, but those are at least substantive debates.

I'm talking the daily grind of trivialities I expect to see.

And again....I'm talking proportion. Very littel here about how bad McCain is for America.

[jgraz]

9. Honestly, I think it's a "preaching to the choir" thing

And, this FISA issue has some urgency to it.

I've been working on an extended article about how McCain's public war record is complete bullshit, but I set it aside to get people fired up about the FISA vote. I want to make sure that Obama at least hears from his supporters before this ridiculous bill is voted on.

[babylonsister]

23. So. What happens to you if Obama doesn't meet your every

requirement tomorrow or Wednesday? He might not have even read your e-mails, though I'm glad you sent them.

What will you do? I do understand holding him accountable; I sent him an e-mail also. But if it doesn't go the way you want, I hope you just keep calling him out. I will, too.

I won't blame him for every possible thing that goes wrong while he's the presumptive nominee, or even the president. Despite what you might think, I don't think he is as powerful as you think he is. Maybe this whole FISA thing is one big play from all the Dems, choreographed by Obama. Somehow I doubt that.

[jgraz]

39. I have very few requirements for Obama

1. Uphold the Constitution
2. Don't lie to your supporters
2a. Especially don't lie in a way that insults the intelligence of your supporters.

In this case, he's already failed, so you've seen what I'll do: send him a couple "rude" letters and encourage others to do so. Obama needs to know that his supporters are unhappy with him.

If he continues to mess up, I'm not sure what the next step is, since we all know that he's got our votes no matter what. I think I will probably divert some of my financial support of him to more progressive down-ticket candidates.

[Coexist]

40. .

[Life Long Dem]

13. This isn't about Obama or maybe... this is about the Presidency

which "IS" Obama and McSame.

[Political Heretic]

21. It's not unreasonable to expect more unity - even if by moderating force - during a general election

This is a board first and foremost, for people who support Democrats. No, that's not my opinion. That's what the rules and description says. Yes, DU strives to be accommodating - to a point - of those with other agendas, but during a general election, on a board whose primary mission is to serve as a meeting place for democrats who support democratic candidates, it is not unreasonable at all to expect less tolerance of "dissent" during that time.

This is not a first amendment issue. This is a private board

[TBF]

36. Exactly and I'm surprised at how much dissent is popping up. But I am a relatively

new member (found DU earlier this spring) so I've been waiting and watching. I figured a little slack is being given because of such a hard-fought primary. I don't even mind the requests to pay off Hillary's debt. I even sent $10 in hopes that if we get it paid off she'll continue to help Obama.

But I'm puzzled as to why there are still many anti-Obama posts and very little attacking McCain.

[jgraz]

47. Then you and I have a very different idea as to what "support" means.

By the way, you might want to take another pass through the rules. I'm sure you'll be sorely disappointed to find that this kind of constructive criticism is expressly allowed on DU.

Sucks for you, but it's good for democracy (you might want to review that concept as well).

[DevonRex]

3. I couldn't possibly agree more. The last few days or so have

been really depressing in here.

[blonndee]

4. You forgot: "Obama's seal was STUPPID DUMMB and MCain says so too!"

[jgraz]

10. Well, the seal *was* kinda silly.

Not as silly as every word that comes out of McSame's mouth, but O usually has a better sense of things than that.

[blonndee]

15. Yeah, I didn't like it either

but the ridiculous number of threads proclaiming it as such (and particularly those that provide McCain camp opinion) are even more silly, IMO.

[jgraz]

16. Thankfully, my home net connection is busted so I miss a lot just now.

[Cha]

19. What's cool about the SEAL is

they realize it was a mistake and owned up to it and now it's history.

[Barack_America]

6. It doesn't matter if he's all things to everyone, just that he's all things to ME.

At least that seems to be the gist of a lot of what I'm reading here lately.

[DevonRex]

7. You also forgot we're Kool-Aid drinkers if we don't think Obama

can change the world before he's elected. Or at least control everything in the Senate. Oh yeah, the House, too. Because he controls Reid and Pelosi, doncha know?

[blondeatlast]

8. Agreed, but sadly, this'll sink like a brick. I've waited my entire adult life

to see McCain's campaign come to an epic fail and I thought I could watch it with like-minded people here. No such luck; I'm likely out of here after 5 years.

It was pretty fun while it lasted, but I dunno anymore.

[JimGinPA]

11. I'm Not Going To Let A Few Concern Trolls Bother Me Here nt

[blondeatlast]

20. Maybe the best thing is to start poting that SL every time one pops up.

Mind if I do so?

[PretzelWarrior]

22. what?

not sure what you mean?

[blondeatlast]

27. I don't mean you, PW--I just got hit (and PMed) by an obvious ct that

seems to be flying under the radar. You've noticed him too which may be part of what inspired your OP.

BTW, congrats to Mrs. PW, I just saw that!

[PretzelWarrior]

29. yeah. I'm sure the moderators and admins have a tough job

you can't squelch dissenting views.....but there comes a time when a poster reveals their agenda has nothing to do with sharing ideas and enthusiasm about the Democratic Party and its nominee.

[Blue_Roses]

30. if it's the one I think you're talking about...

they have been flying under the radar for a while now...go read some of their posts back in March.

[FrenchieCat]

12. I choose A for a whole host of reasons.

Plus he looks hella good in that corn field! DAYUM! :smoke:

A)

[blondeatlast]

18. Thanks, FC, I needed that! I REALLY needed that!

After 20 some years of McCain representing my state, I was hoping to join DU in celebrating the end of his political career but it appears we aren't allowed to discuss him.

Threads about him drop like a stone while the 5 th thread criticizing our candidate riese ever to the top. I was just about ready to quietly post my swan song in this thread (I'd never start one to do so). That picture gives me a reason to stay.

Seriously, you nay have just kept me from giving up on DU. Thank you, thank you. :hug:

[FrenchieCat]

32. Happy to have kept you here. We need you!

But I understand your frustration....cause it is mine as well.

I sent you a PM.

[Stinky The Clown]

48. Look here, you .......

.... if you leave, I'm leaving, too.

I post a haffa dozen threads a day about Captain Fuckup or his ..... uh .... spouse. They either drop like a rock or I catch shit that this or that is off base; mostly when I post about his unindicted felon wife or the fact that having been a POW doesn't make him expert at anything political.

I ain't stoppin' with my Captain Crazy threads. No way, nuh uh.

[TBF]

37. Heh. He really doesn't take many bad pics does he? It's kind of fun having

a rock star candidate. ;)

[butterfly77]

14. One of the main points is that..

they pit some type of group or nationality against Obama, when I seem to never hear any group being named when it comes to Mccain. Why doesn't he have to answer to all of these groups and you left out the Cubans and Elian Gonzales..

[AspenRose]

24. Very true

Yep

[SaveAmerica]

17. It seems to me that Silly Season: GE is sounding a lot like Silly Season: GDP

So many similarities. Just today I started to respond to someone about something so crazy when I realized we'd already had those 10 rounds. I decided not to answer and it felt so much better. I really believe lies should be corrected but I noticed that a lot of the same old comments are being posted by the same old people and, for the most part, I think it's best to not give them the satisfaction.

Oh, and let's give Obama at least another month on the cancer thing : ). It'll be over soon and we can starting doing what needs to be done to heal as much of this country as we can.

[Hippo_Tron]

25. You mean I have to choose between Obama and that lady in a red dress?

Tough call on that one. I mean I'm heterosexual and all, but damn...



Oh you meant choose who to vote for!!
:think:

[PretzelWarrior]

26. lolol. good one.

[cliffordu]

28. K and R great post!!

[Blue_Roses]

31. ...

and a big :kick: from the 3rd row:D

[democrat2thecore]

33. You are SOOOO Right......K&R!!!!!!

[RNdaSilva]

34. Nah, the primary was the "Silly Season."

Were now into the "Stupid Season."

Hopefully come November will be into the "Sober, Sane and/or Smart Season."

Other than that...yep!

[genna]

35. Do what I do when I read threads that don't interest me? n/t

I think you might protest too much.

Some of these issues you pass over are legitimate criticism that could have policy implications:

"Obama isn't all warm and fuzzy for Muslim Americans", "Whites don't know what to think of Obama", "Blacks feel betrayed by Obama", "Hawaiians think Obama doesn't mention their state enough", "Obama has been nominee a whole 2 weeks and STILL no cure for cancer".

If Blacks feel betrayed, I think we should be able to talk about it. You can keep clicking past our sense of betrayal (if it exists outside of Black blogs-I hadn't read anything here that suggests a group of us have decided he has betrayed us).


I also think American Muslims have a right to say it ain't alright.

[Asgaya Dihi]

38. Primaries were nothing, this though I'm sick of

The OP sets up a false premise, either accept Obama and others exactly the way they are without complaint or it's a vote for McCain. Bullshit. He's been a nominee for two weeks and still no cure for cancer? Horrors. The complaints I've seen seem a lot more solid than that, I must have missed that accusation.

We've got real issues such as the FISA bill which he backtracked on, the way he played up to AIPAC and some of the other comments he's made more recently which are trending more militaristic than what he campaigned on in the primaries, and so on. Yeah I'm well aware of how politics works and that he might feel a need to tack to the right to get elected but I'm also aware of a bit of relevant history.

Bill Clinton ran on a real progressive platform when he first ran against Bush Sr. That didn't last a week or two into office, his advisors lead him onto a path that not only abandoned his campaign promises but ended up doing great damage to the very causes he claimed he was there to support. Clinton isn't the only time it's happened but it's a good representative example and when I see them tacking to the right I get concerned, with good reason I'd think.

You don't think business leaders, political leaders, long time establishment figures of all brands aren't out there lobbying him and trying to get him to shift more toward their positions? Of course they are and if we don't join them and make some noise for OUR positions and needs then their voice is too likely to end up as the final word on the subject. The thing that's different today is the internet and the ease of communication, that combined with his roots as a community organizer gives us an opening here. We can stop it this time if we try and we'd be fools not to at least try.

Yeah, he's our nominee and I'm happy enough with that and pushed for it by the end but that does NOT mean to let the pressure off, of him or of anyone else. When he's heading in the wrong direction on an issue he and his people NEED to see us out here complaining about it. What pisses me off about all of this is the easy accusations of "concern troll" from mindless bots who can't manage to see that were ALL concern trolls to someone. Don't like the war? It's for our own good and protection they'd say, stop being a concern troll. Don't like the medical system? Most of the nation is insured, if you aren't you need to go to school and get a job they'd tell you. What the fuck makes YOU people (not directed at the OP but at recent trends here) any better judge of what's a legitimate concern or not than the neocons were? It's all concern troll to someone and that type of easy excuse and dismissive treatment is exactly what we fought so hard against for the last few years in order to get the notice of the press and the public on our (trollish to someone) issues.

Maybe we should kick the next person to make an accusation like that in the teeth and try to remember we were supposed to be the open minded, thinking party, not the fall in line and think like I do party. If we've got no patience for others concerns then we've no right to ask anyone to care about ours either. The primary and the in-fighting there didn't bug me too much but this my opinions are more valid than yours crap is starting to really piss me off.

[unapatriciated]

64. thank you for saying it so well....

I have read DU since 2003 but didn't join until recently, I have been called a CT a few times and they never fail to point out my length of time on this board. I found it amusing since I had marched against the Vietnam War in the late 60's and early 70's, voted D since 1972, been promoting health care reform since 1990 and was vocally against Iraq and bush from the beginning before it was cool. Yet if I disagree with some of our candidates policies or stance on an issue I'm a CT. I learned Critical Thinking at a very early age and no amount of name calling is going to stop me from using those skills.

[helderheid]

41. I think I love you.

[PretzelWarrior]

51. wow! THANKS!! :)

[PATRICK]

42. And for the love of God

or your significant core belief, recognize this for what it is, too many trips to the media bar, too many drinks at the trough. This is how the MSM media agenda for this entire campaign season is set up.

DIng dong. When you catch your vision getting blurry, your language slurred, querulous and not exactly rational, it is time to realize you've had too much bad stuff. We would not be having post statistics or quality like that were it not that the MSM dominates agenda setting even when we disagree, even when we KNOW what they are doing(set me up another one for the road Joe Lieberman).

If the MSM puts out a baby in the well story forget about election reform or a McCain gone crazy proof. If you want to see things as they are and you are going to start off with media madness prepare to look stupid. The logic is, well, this is what all Americans see and what THEY base their judgments on. Really? It happens to us as well even after this astute general recognition. How dumb or tricked does that make us?

[TeamJordan23]

43. Don't Patronize Us. This should be a place for honest and fair debate.

There was a great Newsweek article about how Obama runs his campaign staff meetings. He presses his staff for criticism because he knows the campaign cannot be perfect.

So please, don't patronize us. We are all intelligent people here and are supporting Obama. But that is not to say that we should never say any valid criticism of us.

[PretzelWarrior]

52. I'm not saying don't ever point out areas of disagreement

I'm just noticing how something like his change on public financing or someone's IMPRESSION of his change on FISA legislation can dominate these pages.

In a way, DU can be as bad as or worse than MSM as far as giving McCain a pass. I'm just sayin...

[L0oniX]

44. "I disagree with what the majority of the American people want." --John McCain

There now ...feel better?

:evilgrin:

[mdmc]

45. not for nothin but why would you see slams on mcsame here at du?

DU is a forum for democrats to discuss stuff. We all already are not going to vote for mcsame.
We are all in agreement there.
We differ on what it means to be democrat.
We discuss democrats.
We don't smear dems.
We criticize them.

[PretzelWarrior]

50. It should be pretty dam obvious, sir.

if we are going to BURRRYYY McCain, one thing that helps is a well organized grass roots epicenter where great ideas and lines of logic about what a flawed candidate he is will pop up.

I view this as a mega DEMOCRATS should WIPE THE FLOOR with republicans volunteer center. I find tons of great stuff to ponder from article links, great connections of thoughts by others....but too often they are crowded out by people wanting to whine about our candidate.

This is a place to get refreshment when you're in the midst of the battle and need some fellow Obama supporters and Democrats to lean on. This isn't a place where we should be frying our nominee.

[mdmc]

55. I feel that Obama will do fine, no matter what I post here

DU has a vol.group (I forgot what we call it) / and Obama group / and state groups in which to organize.

I don't think that Obama can lose. Of course, America doesn't deserve him (America deserves mcsame), but that is another story.

On that note=
Go Democrats!:woohoo:

[rosesaylavee]

46. My sister said she's getting a pony too.

Why won't we ALL get ponies. It's just not fair!!11!!

:(

[RNdaSilva]

56. I want my Jet Ski...

[thoughtcrime1984]

49. Well said! This is about electing a Democratic President, obviously he isn't perfect, but he's our

candidate. Let's stop tearing him down.

[liberal N proud]

53. My biggest pet peeve. Single issue voters

[jgraz]

57. Especially when that single issue is something as *trivial* as upholding the rule of law

Can't these people focus on what's important?? We have an election to win.

Quick, somebody see what the polling is on torturing children -- we may want to support that if it gets us some more votes.

[PretzelWarrior]

58. I love the smell of strawman arguments in the morning.

It smells like hyperbole.

[PretzelWarrior]

59. seems like this one needs a new kick. FOCUS, PEOPLE

[FrenchieCat]

60. Folks are focused alright.....

just not on what is gonna get us to the White House.

it is a shame really.

These Principled folks Been ragging on Obama for like 7 days.

I thought the principle was to win--What happened? :shrug:

[PretzelWarrior]

61. fortunately, his triangulating will get way more votes than it

loses from the likes of super duper pure Democrats who wear natural color hemp, eat nothing but tofu, whey, and heirloom vegetables and recycle everything including their old losing election strategies.

[libforlife]

62. id go for a... yummy

b is for losers

[barack the house]

63. That's exactly it, idealism will not change that, and idealism got us where we are ....

Can any of us take 4 more years of what America has now in exchange for perfectionism not at all. But after November I am happy to see no holds barred we have to work as a unit untill that date it is how the battle is won. For some bizarre reason people want change over night after allowing the system to erode for near 30 years. So, the story now is it will take another 30 years to turn it back, it is that basic really.

Totally with you on this. I said even a year ago that congress will disappoint us for another year until it has more the thugs ousted from seats. We gotta work for Franken and Merkly folks. This is a long, long road ahead and each one of us has to be in it for the long haul. Obama in Novemeber is but step one of about a thousand more steps to take.