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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:26 PM
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Obama/Webb '08


Now there's two people I'd be proud of have leading the executive branch!
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:27 PM
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1. regardless what happens with VP, he is going to make one hell of an Obama surrogate I think
Did anyone see him on today's Tim Russert show?
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:31 PM
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3. I didn't see it but im guessing he was a strong and dominating figure
He's always like that and it's exactly what Dems need, a strong forceful figure to put Republicans in their place. I think Webb or Warner would be good to pull some rural votes away from McCain.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:14 PM
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29. Webb has sexism & female putdown history a mile long - guarantees a loss
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:25 PM
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32. I know he said 3 decades ago he doesn't like women in the military but...
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 09:28 PM by cbc5g
He's apologized. And actually the ERA failed because women didn't want to be drafted and he had just gotten out of Vietnam which was a draft war. Can you back up that charge of a "mile long list" of sexism and female putdown or are you throwing out lies?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 03:09 PM
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70. He's apologized" - yes - a back handed statement that did not say he had changed his mind.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:28 PM
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33. Golly gosh!! 30 years ago!! Be sure to come back when you feel like
telling the whole truth.

Must suck to be so miserable....
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 12:58 AM
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60. A mile long?
Really? Why did Hillary Clinton praise him for opening up opportunities for women as Navy Secretary? Why did she hold a high profile fundraiser for him?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 03:08 PM
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69. Hillary campaigns for Democrats - even Obama
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 04:06 PM
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77. You sound bitter.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 12:00 AM
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57. I did. I thought he was excellent...
He has a plain spoken, common sense manner that is very engaging, and he articulates his positions on issues so well. I really like him.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:29 PM
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2. Webb is still too "establishment" for me.
If we want change, I say we do it right.

Obama/Schweitzer...smart man, very down-to-earth. He'd do a lot for Obama's popularity in rural America.


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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:31 PM
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4. but when Webb refused to shake Bush's hand...
it made him aces in my book.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:39 PM
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9. You might be interested in the Elizabeth Drew article on Webb in the current
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 08:41 PM by enough
New York Review of Books. This changed my view of him somewhat.

Elizabeth Drew is a true veteran US political observer/reporter. I thought her view of Webb was interesting. "Establishment" really doesn't seem accurate.

Here are the first two paragraphs:

Jim Webb, the junior senator from Virginia, who defeated the incumbent Republican George Allen in 2006, is or has been: a best-selling author; a screenwriter (Rules of Engagement, and another in the works); an Emmy-winning documentary producer; the author of a large number of articles and book reviews; an Annapolis graduate; a boxer (he lost a legendary and controversial championship match at Annapolis against Oliver North<1> ); an autodidact who grew up a military man's son and indifferent student but on his own became a passionate reader of history; a first lieutenant and Marine rifle platoon commander with Delta Company in Vietnam, where he won the Navy Cross for heroism (the second-highest award in the Navy and the Marines), the Silver Star, two Bronze Stars, and two Purple Hearts; a graduate of Georgetown Law School who then worked on the staff of the House Veterans Affairs Committee; a teacher of English literature at the Naval Academy; and an assistant secretary of defense and then secretary of the Navy during the Reagan administration. Webb resigned from that position after losing a long battle to block a reduction in the size of the Navy at a time when the Pentagon was under orders to cut its budget. In The Reagan Diaries, the former president wrote, "I don't think Navy was sorry to see him go."

Webb is a serious writer, not a politician who writes books on the side. His first book, Fields of Fire, published in 1978, when Webb was thirty-two, is a sweeping, unflinching novel about Vietnam featuring two of life's losers who signed up for lack of anything else to do. It conveys with stark vividness, and also a touch of farce, the stench, the filth, the fear, and the bewildering unexpectedness of fighting an elusive enemy in a jungle. Fields of Fire has often been called the best book about Vietnam and likened to the war writing of Norman Mailer and Stephen Crane.

snip>

much more at http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21530
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 12:30 AM
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58. This is a great article - definitely a must read! Thanks for posting it! n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:35 PM
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5. Webb is beating Hillary for VP on Intrade now...
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:41 PM
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41. Saw him today on TV and I'm starting to like him
Seems a little stiff to me but after Shotgun Cheney anyone is a welcome relief.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:35 PM
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6. Webb doing the power salute... that's cute - nt
.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:36 PM
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7. It's gay code actually.
.
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:40 PM
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10. How so? nt
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:40 PM
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12. I lived in SF for years and the "codes" still confuse me - nt
:-)
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:41 PM
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13. oh you mean for "fisting?" - are you practicing the Right Wing smear thing based on his book?
in support of HRC?
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:42 PM
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15. practice in front of the mirror for a while so it's believable - nt
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:37 PM
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8. The one negative thing I heard about him (on MSNBC) was that he may have trouble with women
voters due to some things he wrote in his book or something?
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:02 PM
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23. Not in his book. He wrote a paper back in the 70s arguing against
women in combat.

He has long since changed his stance, but it may hurt him among Clinton supporters.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:08 PM
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26. Oh, ok. Thanks-
I knew it was SOMETHING. I guess I forgot. Yeah, it could hurt him among Clinton supporters, especially if and WHEN McCain brings it up. You know he's going after Hillary's voters.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:32 PM
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36. I believe he also wrote some books with passages
in them that some found demeaning. I haven't read them myself so I'm not clear on the content. George 'macaca' Allen accused him of this during their race, I'm sure it would be brought up again for a veep.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:40 PM
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11. I like Jim Webb a lot ... but please ..... no.
For a couple of reasons, I oppose Webb for VP.

He is conservative. Very conservative. I love him as a Senator from Virginia. I would not love him as a veep.

We need every Senate seat we have.

Did I say he's conservative? Obama's not all that liberal. I'd rather see a more liberal person as his veep, not a more conservative person.

You want national security, military creds? Trot out Wes Clark.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:44 PM
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17. To DUers Obama is moderate. But
to most people who don't read DU, Obama is a liberal who hangs out with America haters. :eyes:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:54 PM
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21. I agree. Good guy but
Brings nothing politically.
Way too conservative.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:09 PM
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27. A person more liberal than Obama would drive away the moderate voters. n/t
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:31 PM
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35. Have you even read any of his current opinion??
The way he votes??

Are you SURE about what you said??
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:36 PM
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39. I'm 100% certain that it is my opnion that he is too conservative
He's in line on core Democratic values.

He's conservative.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 11:34 PM
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52. Comparing the Senate voting records of Sen. Obama, Sen. Webb and Sen. McCain
Sen. Webb has not been my first choice for the Vice Presidential nomination. However, It is clear from a wide variety of insider sources that he is near the top of the short list of those being considered.

Rasmussen Reports rates him as probably the potential candidate who would stategically add the most to the ticket:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_gerald_m_pomper/obama_s_vice_president

At first I was a bit skeptical of him. But after taking a closer look, I have to admit being somewhat impressed.

My most important reason from my point view is that his writings while teaching at the Naval War College in Monterey, California reveal that he is a foreign policy realist and pragmatist and thus not the sort to rush into ill advised military interventions. Equally important he shares with Sen. Obama the sense of importance with opening dialog with adversaries and making a sincere effort at diplomacy in resolving conflict.

But, just how liberal is he on other issues? I would have to say, more than I thought:


First, here is just one example: In 2007 The Sargent Shriver National Center on Poverty Law gave Senator Webb a grade of A+.

Here are some more along with a comparison with Sen. Obama’s and Sen. McCain’s record:

All figures are interest group ratings from 2007.:

The link for Sen. McCain's ratings on Project Vote Smart:

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=53270&type=category&category=45&go.x=10&go.y=12

The link for Sen. Obama's ratings on Project Vote Smart:

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=9490

The link for Sen. Webb’s ratings on Project Vote Smart:

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=60043

Abortion Issues


In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator Obama a grade of 100.

2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator Webb a grade of 100.

In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator McCain a grade of 0.

_________________________________

Civil Rights and Human Rights Issues


2007 American Civil Liberties Union gave Senator Obama a grade of 80.

In 2007 American Civil Liberties Union gave Senator Webb a grade of 71.

2007 American Civil Liberties Union gave Senator McCain a grade of 50.
______________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 85 percent in 2007

Senator Webb supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 85 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 15 percent in 2007.

.

________________________________________________________________________

Conservative Issues


Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 7 percent in 2007.

2007 Senator Webb supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 16
percent in 2007

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 80 percent in 2007.
_______________________________________________________________________

Education Issues


In 2007 National Education Association gave Senator Obama a grade of A.

In 2007 National Education Association gave Senator Webb a grade of A.

In 2007 National Education Association gave Senator McCain a grade of F.
.
________________________________________________________________________

.
_

Environmental Issues


2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to League of Conservation Voters's position, Senator Obama received a rating of 67.

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to League of Conservation Voters's position, Senator Webb received a rating of 87.

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to League of Conservation Voters's position, Senator McCain received a rating of 0.
______________________________________________________________

Family and Children Issues


In 2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Children's Defense Fund's position, Senator Obama received a rating of 60.

In 2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Children's Defense Fund's position, Senator Webb received a rating of 90.

In 2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Children's Defense Fund's position, Senator McCain received a rating of 10.
________________________________________________________
(The Family Research Council is an extremely right-wing organization found and lead by Dr. Richard Dobson)

In 2007 Family Research Council gave Senator Obama a grade of 0.

In 2007 Family Research Council gave Senator Webb a grade of 0.

In 2007 Family Research Council gave Senator McCain a grade of 42.
_______________________________________________________________

Foreign Aid and Policy Issues


Senator Obama supported the interests of the Council for a Livable World 81 percent in 2007

Senator Webb supported the interests of the Council for a Livable World 72 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Council for a Livable World 0 percent in 2007.

______________________________________________________________________.

Health Issues


Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Academy of Family Physicians 100 percent in 2007.

Senator Webb supported the interests of the American Academy of Family Physicians 100 percent in 2007..

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Academy of Family Physicians 0 percent in 2007
_____________________________________________________________________

Labor


Senator Obama supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2007.

Senator Webb supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 0 percent in 2007.
______________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 75 percent in 2007.

Senator Webb supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 75 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 8 percent in 2007.
________________________________________________________________________

Liberal


Senator Obama supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 75 percent in 2007

Senator Webb supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 85 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 10 percent in 2007.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:29 AM
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63. Obama is seen by the gen. public as liberal. He'll need a more conservative VP.
You wanna win the GE? Need a more conservative VP to balance the ticket and provide Obama a consulting perspective, when he asks. Clinton is more conservative. Webb is. Almost anyone is, actually.

I like the idea of Webb...a Dem w/military experience, a man's man who wears boots and has a gun. He would appeal to the blue collar class of appalachia that Obama is having trouble with (they say).
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:42 PM
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14. I'm not sure about Webb anymore
According to exit polls in his 2006 race, he didn't draw in the groups Obama would need him to.

Highlights:

* He lost white men 62-38

* He lost white women 53-47

* He lost the white vote 58-42
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/VA/S/01/epolls.0.html


In fact he only won because of the large numbers of Blacks (85%)and Asians (68%) who voted for him. These are ok numbers for a democrat, I guess. But part of the allure of Webb has been his supposed ability to appeal the rural white voters that Obama is struggling with. It doesn't appear that he was able to do that in his Senate race.

Looking at a county-by-county map of the results of his 2006 Senate race he ran mostly weak in the rural areas. To be fair he did win 2 counties (Dickenson and Buchanon) that Obama lost badly to Clinton 85%-12% and 90%-9% respectively.



By way of comparison here was Obama's map:



So I'm wondering if he will be the rural draw many of us are assuming he will be?

Anyone from Virginia have comments?
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:34 PM
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49. I think that's a good point. FYI, cities are independent of counties in VA
That's why the little micro-areas. Looks like Webb did well in Charlottesville and Albemarle Co if I remember it right (Univ. of VA), Richmond (black vote?), DC suburbs, and Norfolk area - huge Navy bases there.

Looks like the argument that Webb will win Appalachian voters is off.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:44 PM
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16. He has some bad prochoice votes.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:45 PM
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18. he has a 100 percent rating from the Abortion groups.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:48 PM
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19. Still.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:02 PM
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22. you can't do better than 100 percent.
If he had problematic votes his rating wouldn't be a perfect 100 would it?.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:04 PM
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24. Then maybe it's better to have him out of the Senate and into the VP slot.
LOL!

The point is I don't think the VP will have much influence on the right to choose. Except, of course, if the Senate is tied and he casts a tie breaking vote for a judicial appointment.

That's highly unlikely, though.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 08:51 PM
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20. No way! Even though I like him a lot and I'm a Virginian.
He would have to repudiate a whole lot of non-progressive views about women in the military and miltary academies.(Which I wish he would anyway)

He is just not viable as VP. I'm still really glad he came over to our side and he is a big part of putting Virginia in play as a blue state, or at minimum, purple.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:17 PM
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30. I agree with you completely
He's perfect for Virginia.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:43 AM
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64. actually he has long repudiated his position of 1979 -
"Webb: Well, I think one of the things I was pointing out in that article was the -- was where the political process interferes with the military being able to make its own decision on those matters. And one of the things that I did when I was secretary of the Navy was I turned this over to the military side, to the uniformed side ... I put a task force together that was 50 percent male, 50 percent female, with a truth-teller on it, a woman officer who could walk into my office anytime she wanted. They went to all the Navy installations around the world. And then instead of reporting to me, the political side, they reported to the, the chiefs of the warfare specialties and then as the, the uniformed service reported to me. And that's how we opened up all of those wells, so ...

Russert: Bottom line, do you now believe that women can, in fact, provide men with combat leadership?

Webb: Absolutely. "

snip:"Webb: Well, no, no. What I'm saying is, right now, I believe the situation is where a lot of people wanted it to be back in 1970, 19--9--1980 when people -- social experimentation was in place rather than allowing the military to make these decisions ...

Russert: But it is 2006. You have not changed your mind at all about women's ability to lead men?

Webb: No. I did not say that. I -- I'm fully comfortable with women's ability to lead men.

Russert: So you have changed your mind?

Webb: What, what, what Im saying is, in areas like the infantry and the artillery, where -- which now remain all-male, I'm comfortable with that, too. And Sen. Allen has his own issues on this, by the way. As recently as 2000, saying women didn't belong in foxholes, and maybe you should ask him about that."


http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/09/18/webballen/
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:05 PM
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25. I think he's too green.
As in new, not as in eco-friendly.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:09 PM
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28. I like that very much.
Very much indeed.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:24 PM
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31. A thousand times YES.
The perfect ticket. Unbeatable.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:30 PM
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34. I read the chapter in Tom Brokaw's "Boom!" just the other day
devoted to Webb. Recommended reading, BTW.

There are plenty of things I disagree with Webb about - as there are a few things I don't agree with Obama on - but there's no doubt this guy is a tremendous warrior, whether on a battlefield or in politics. He's the kind of person I actually like to disagree with, because I can respect his conviction and sincerity even when I don't agree with what he says. He's kick-ass, and this would be one hell of a good ticket. There are other permutations that would be good, too, but I'd like to see Webb at least get a cabinet post. He's real.

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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:33 PM
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37. Yep.
Great choice, with baggage.

But he won't back down.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:33 PM
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38. Heres a good video of him on MTP telling lindsay graham how it is
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:49 PM
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42. That's a GREAT clip.
Man, he's tough.

btw, notice that among the tags on that clip are "pot brownies" :rofl:
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:21 PM
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48. Nice! I especially loved the back and forth that starts at 8:09.
Definitely worth a watch. Webb is TOUGH. Day-um.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:38 PM
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40. I really think there are better choices - this guy barely beat George 'macaca' Allen
Plus I think he's going to get smeared on women's issues by the republicans and alienate the women's vote.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:00 PM
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43. Maybe you're right, I only know of his opposition to women in combat back in vietnam days
I also have to say that George Allen was extremely liked among the (R) people in Virginia and had a huge history in Virginia politics. He was the son of a popular NFL coach and was a popular governor. It was surprising to me that he lost but the Macaca comment likely brought out a huge amount of minority support for Webb.


I thought this was a funny quote from the recent MTP with him..

MR. RUSSERT: Before you go, you write in your book, page 19, "It's pretty safe to say that I'm the only person in the history of Virginia to be elected to statewide office with a union card, two Purple Hearts, and three tattoos. It was no easy ride." This is a family show. Are those...

SEN. WEBB: Then I can show you two.

MR. RUSSERT: That was my question. I'm not going to ask where the third is.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:05 PM
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44. heh that's cute
The stuff Allen was smearing him on came from his books. I'm fairly sure if I read these passages I wouldn't be offended, but I haven't read Webb's books. Still, I'm certain that the republicans would use this same bag of tricks again.

Plus there's the problem of getting another democrat in that seat. That has to be an uphill climb.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:14 PM
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46. Do you understand how huge it is that ANYBODY was able to beat Allen?
Allen was the right's golden boy--would have run for president (and been the likely nominee) if he hadn't blown it with the macaca nonsense.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:12 PM
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45. IDK... I just... you know he doesn't excite me? I think he's my least favorite of the major VP
candidates right now. Out of him, Edwards, Clark, Sebelius, Clinton, Easley, Richardson, Biden, Dodd, he seems to interest me the least. Personally, Edwards or Clinton excite me the most. But I honestly doubt Edwards is even on the short list. Doubt Easley is on the short list either, or Dodd. Richardson has lots of qualifications but doesn't thrill me... he's still better than Webb though IMHO. Sebelius is nice from what I hear though she doesn't have a ton of name recognition. Clark is good, a Hillary supporter, but didn't kick up a ton of dust in his presidential bid... though Madonna endorsed him! Biden is a smart choice. He has lots of good experience and knowledge to pull from, he's a safe choice, and I like him, even though people claim he is too liberal... I just don't know if he'd be on the short list in any actuality either. We'll see. My favorite picks though are Clinton and Edwards. I think Clinton would help a LOT. Though I know most on here disagree.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:21 PM
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47. John Edwards - "I have no interest in being the Vice President"
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 11:49 PM
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56. Many people say that... and I know he's already said that.
but I still think he'd do a good job.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:36 PM
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50. Obama/Richardson, with Webb for Sec. of Defense.
Let's put some real color in Lady Liberty's cheeks.

And let's someone who has walked the walk in charge of the decisions regarding how, when and why to put our armed forces in harm's way.

Just hope he isn't allergic to chickenhawk-shit. The Pentagon is mightily stained with it these days.

Glad to kick this thread.
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TexanDem Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:48 PM
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51. Webb VP (yes!) Clark Secy of Def; Richardson SofState, Edwards AG; HRC-Health; Gore-Energy WOOT!!
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 11:36 PM
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53. Very nice intro of Obama here... (if this was a Veep audition, he passed with flying colors)
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 11:38 PM
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54. I like Webb
but voting for the telcom amnesty disappoints me enough to take him out of my top 3
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 11:42 PM
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55. Comparing the Senate voting records of Sen. Obama, Sen. Webb and Sen. McCain
Sen. Webb has not been my first choice for the Vice Presidential nomination. However, It is clear from a wide variety of insider sources that he is near the top of the short list of those being considered.

Rasmussen Reports rates him as probably the potential candidate who would stategically add the most to the ticket:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_gerald_m_pomper/obama_s_vice_president

At first I was a bit skeptical of him. But after taking a closer look, I have to admit being somewhat impressed.

My most important reason from my point view is that his writings while teaching at the Naval War College in Monterey, California reveal that he is a foreign policy realist and pragmatist and thus not the sort to rush into ill advised military interventions. Equally important he shares with Sen. Obama the sense of importance with opening dialog with adversaries and making a sincere effort at diplomacy in resolving conflict.

But, just how liberal is he on other issues? I would have to say, more than I thought:


First, here is just one example: In 2007 The Sargent Shriver National Center on Poverty Law gave Senator Webb a grade of A+.

Here are some more along with a comparison with Sen. Obama’s and Sen. McCain’s record:

All figures are interest group ratings from 2007.:

The link for Sen. McCain's ratings on Project Vote Smart:

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=53270&type=category&category=45&go.x=10&go.y=12

The link for Sen. Obama's ratings on Project Vote Smart:

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=9490

The link for Sen. Webb’s ratings on Project Vote Smart:

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=60043

Abortion Issues


In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator Obama a grade of 100.

2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator Webb a grade of 100.

In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator McCain a grade of 0.

_________________________________

Civil Rights and Human Rights Issues


2007 American Civil Liberties Union gave Senator Obama a grade of 80.

In 2007 American Civil Liberties Union gave Senator Webb a grade of 71.

2007 American Civil Liberties Union gave Senator McCain a grade of 50.
______________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 85 percent in 2007

Senator Webb supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 85 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 15 percent in 2007.

.

________________________________________________________________________

Conservative Issues


Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 7 percent in 2007.

2007 Senator Webb supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 16
percent in 2007

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 80 percent in 2007.
_______________________________________________________________________

Education Issues


In 2007 National Education Association gave Senator Obama a grade of A.

In 2007 National Education Association gave Senator Webb a grade of A.

In 2007 National Education Association gave Senator McCain a grade of F.
.
________________________________________________________________________

.
_

Environmental Issues


2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to League of Conservation Voters's position, Senator Obama received a rating of 67.

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to League of Conservation Voters's position, Senator Webb received a rating of 87.

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to League of Conservation Voters's position, Senator McCain received a rating of 0.
______________________________________________________________

Family and Children Issues


In 2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Children's Defense Fund's position, Senator Obama received a rating of 60.

In 2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Children's Defense Fund's position, Senator Webb received a rating of 90.

In 2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Children's Defense Fund's position, Senator McCain received a rating of 10.
________________________________________________________
(The Family Research Council is an extremely right-wing organization found and lead by Dr. Richard Dobson)

In 2007 Family Research Council gave Senator Obama a grade of 0.

In 2007 Family Research Council gave Senator Webb a grade of 0.

In 2007 Family Research Council gave Senator McCain a grade of 42.
_______________________________________________________________

Foreign Aid and Policy Issues


Senator Obama supported the interests of the Council for a Livable World 81 percent in 2007

Senator Webb supported the interests of the Council for a Livable World 72 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Council for a Livable World 0 percent in 2007.

______________________________________________________________________.

Health Issues


Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Academy of Family Physicians 100 percent in 2007.

Senator Webb supported the interests of the American Academy of Family Physicians 100 percent in 2007..

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Academy of Family Physicians 0 percent in 2007
_____________________________________________________________________

Labor


Senator Obama supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2007.

Senator Webb supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 0 percent in 2007.
______________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 75 percent in 2007.

Senator Webb supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 75 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 8 percent in 2007.
________________________________________________________________________

Liberal


Senator Obama supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 75 percent in 2007

Senator Webb supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 85 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 10 percent in 2007.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 12:33 AM
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59. With Webb, Obama could take the South, IMO. n/t
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:24 AM
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61. Great way to drive away (some) women too
.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:59 AM
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66. Because of something he wrote in 1978?
and long since changed his views on? No, I don't think that will matter at all.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 03:40 PM
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75. Do you want to spend the rest of the campaign season explaining that?
To women who are already being courted by McCain? Do you think the M$M is going to help you in that effort?
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:26 AM
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62. I looooooove Webbbbbbb! But I think the Dem Party wants to keep him in Congress. They need all the
votes there they can get, so they can try to get a larger majority.

But I'd be ecstatic if Webb were on the ticket.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:05 AM
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65. I like Jim Webb
but not as VP. Do we really want a conservative Dem heading our ticket in 2016? I'd prefer a more progressive VP candidate.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:01 AM
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67. I believe Sen Webb would be a great choice!
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DCofVA Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:07 AM
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68. I'd be happy to see VP Webb
On the show this morning he talked about raising taxes on the very wealthy in order to "level the playing field." That I think is one of the biggest problems facing America today. Too much wealth is being horded by so few that it makes it that much more difficult for the rest of us just to make ends meet. His new book addresses this issue and it sure doesn’t sound conservative to me. I'm gonna have to read it.
But, if he isn't chosen for VP, he will still be our Senator so, we really can't lose here in Virginia :), unless of course, Gilmore gets Warner's Senate seat :(.
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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 03:23 PM
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71. Webb has grown on me through his recent media appearances. Where's Sebelius?
I'd really like to see her making the media rounds as well, so that people have a better sense of what she brings to the table.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 03:26 PM
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72. i like webb's economic populism. Could be helpful this election
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 03:27 PM
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73. No thanks.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 03:31 PM
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74. No. He made sexist statements and he voted for Bush & Macaca in 2000.
Why on earth are so many people infatuated with Webb? Wasn't it just two years ago that people were cringing over his "Women Can't Fight" column?

If Webb is on the ticket, we're not going to win back most of those Hillary supporters.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 03:53 PM
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76. Senator Jim Webb for Veep Facebook Group:
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Norwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 04:27 PM
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78. Would be thrilled to see a Obama/Webb ticket!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 07:20 PM
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79. That's been my choice since Day One.
:thumbsup:

Obama - Webb 2008!
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 08:39 PM
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80. Webb's verbose, Kerryish speaking style bores me to tears

and why having even one Senator on the ticket, much less two, is such a bad idea.
Senators are inherently awful when it comes to connecting to average people.

which is why Kerry was a lot less popular than he should have been in 2004.

Now Obama might be an exception to that rule, but Webb certainly is not!
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