Hillarians will Have to Vote Obama Because Clinton will be the VP

[alcibiades_mystery]

And thus, the nutsos will have been outflanked and outmaneuvered again.

The best part about it will be that they will consider it Hillary's final victory over Obama, that she "forced him" to put her on the ticket, etc.

She will then be sent off to attend the funerals of foreign dignitaries and the opening of children's museums, etc.

Bank it. It's Obama/Clinton 2008. Every single one of you will have an Obama bumper sticker on your car by August.

:rofl:

[leftofcool]

1. Nope!

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

4. I agree. I don't want Obama to pick her as VP either.

[WeDidIt]

2. I put the likelihood of a Hillary Vice Presidency currently at about 50%

If she bows out with grace some time this week, I'd put it closer to about 90% likely.

[pbca]

3. Me either, not going to happen.

[nebula]

5. Hillary's base said they would vote for McCain instead of Obama

therefore, it makes much more sense to put her on McCain's ticket.

Two pro-war Senators on the same ticket. it's a perfect match!

she does want to run with someone who is actually 'qualified' to be President, doesn't she?

[pnorman]

25. Hillary's base?

It's IMPOSSIBLE to over-use this image:

And there's also this from the Dark Side:

Thank You, Taylor Marsh!
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Clinton and McCainTo a man, the Republicans I know are pretty much dissatisfied with and disillusioned about Yawn McCain. Who can blame them? There’s not much to get excited about; he’s a total sell-out RINO who the MSM tries to paint as some wonderful “maverick,” mainly because he bows to the liberal media’s wishes and stabs conservatism in the back at the most inopportune moments to stay in their good graces.

I read a lot of conservative blogs and most Republicans express a desire to see Hillary Clinton win the Democrat nomination for several important reasons:
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http://blogs4brownback.wordpress.com/2008/02/20/thank-you-taylor-marsh/

pnorman

[nebula]

28. Exactly!

its a bit disturbing to know people like this actually exist.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s

[pnorman]

32. I saw that video clip, but had neglected to bookmark it. Thanks!

"black male ... this is not my America!"

From the "Dixiecrat Underground"?

pnorman

[beac]

61. Grinning from ear-to-ear picturing Republican heads exploding all

over the country when faced with a McCain-Clinton ticket. :rofl:

[CoffeeCat]

6. Barack Obama is running to truly change...

...this government.

He's not going to elevate a neocon corporatist who plays dirty tricks and practically followed
Rove's playbook throughout this campaign.

You underestimate Barack Obama.

[Yael]

7. I think this is one thing we CAN unite on.

Neither side seems to want this.

:P

[ingac70]

8. She would be a drag on the ticket...

and the Presidency.

[Yotun]

9. I will have to think hard and long if Obama chooses her as VP. It shows he has no principles and

can't stand to bullies. And no, the scales aren't in his favor with me if he chooses her. And don't give me any of the McCain fearmongering. People like Clinton must be purged from the party forever and the political scene forever. If you plan electoral fraud to the scale Clinton does, you don't deserve any place in politics.

[MercutioATC]

10. Obama/Schweitzer

Most balanced ticket we can get.

Schweitzer would have more appeal to rural voters than Clinton ever could.

[Unsane]

13. "Schweitzer would have more appeal to rural voters than Clinton ever could."

In MT maybe. I mean, who the hell is Brian Schweitzer? Seriously.

[MercutioATC]

24. Who was Obama a year and a half ago?

Look Schweitzer up. I don't know anybody who's failed to be impressed.

Here's a vid of a Charlie Rose interview:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5308196622692748202

[elocs]

11. Why on earth would Obama want finger-wagging, big mouth Bill anywhere near the White House? n/t

[DJ13]

12. Why do these cries to have Hillary as VP always come when...

....her supporters start to understand she has really lost?

If she wanted a chance to be VP when the odds went against her, she went about it in the worst way possible.

My advice is to forget it, it wont happen.

[styersc]

14. If Sen CLinton is not publically offered the VP slot

McCain wins the whitehouse.

End of story.

[bunnies]

15. They still wouldnt vote for Obama. So, she brings nothing to the table. nt

[quantass]

16. Repubs would LOVE to have Hill as VP -- Galvanize the right to come out in droves

[TooRaLoo]

17. It will never happen. nt

[earthlover]

18. It is time that the Hillary Herd realize who won....

They are not entitled to the VP any more than they were the Presidency.

I don't think Obama is going to rule her out. However, let's get real here. It is Obama who gets to choose the VP. Hillary is in no position to stake a claim to the VP. She would be very lucky to get the nod, and her herd seems to be oblivious to this fact. They seem to think that unless Hillary is VP all hell will happen.

That's not the way it is going to work. Not this time.

Hillary began this campaign with all the advantages. Somehow, she found a way to lose. Not exactly a convincing arguement that she would strengthen the ticket. She threw the kitchen sink at Obama. Even said McCain was qualified while Obama just had a speech.

I think Obama will select her if there is good reason to. But all this crappy talk coming from HillaryLand is not helping.

[pnorman]

19. NO!

If only because the perception that he caved in to a hysterical drama-queen, would be FATAL to his campaign. Perhaps about 3 or 4 months earlier, but NOT now!

pnorman

[anonymous171]

20. I wonder what would happen if she did get the VP slot.

Would they start hating on Hillary because she "submitted" to the terrorist Obama?

[TahitiNut]

21. I really wish I could get you crystal-ball gazers to put up money on this nonsense.

I could buy a new car! :rofl: :rofl:

[alcibiades_mystery]

38. $25 to DU?

Let's shake on it.

[Swamp Rat]

58. My crystal ball is broken.

It's stuck on the Hitler Channel. :(

[99th_Monkey]

22. Sec. of Education or Supreme Court yes: but not VP please..

Hillary blew that one with her RFK assassination gaff, at least in my book.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

23. It won't bother me. I'll vote Dem no matter what. Anyone on this board should do the same.

[WillyT]

26. How Does One Put A Clothespin On Half Of Ones Nose ???

This might take some serious engineering.

:shrug:

[stillcool]

36. Something like snorting coke?...

which I might fall back on by November.

[WillyT]

37. LOL !!!

:rofl:

:hi:

[beac]

64. Don't do it! I hear it causes memory loss...

:rofl:

[stillcool]

71. No..that's booze...

trust me.

[beac]

73. Alas, all my memory problems now are from perimenopause...

:rofl:

[A Brand New World]

27. If he chooses Hillary, I will be as upset with Obama as I was with

Gore's choice of Lieberman. Lieberman brought that ticket to within stealing distance.

[Beacool]

29. It would be the only way that many of us would even consider voting for Obama.

:shrug:

[Faygo Kid]

30. And so your time here ends soon. Like this week.

Plenty of sites on the Net about Obama being the anti-christ and the like.

Enjoy them. She won't be VP.

See ya.

[MonkeyFunk]

31. Nope

sorry, but no loyalty oath to Obama will be required, as much as you guys would like there to be one.

[Faygo Kid]

35. More nonsensical verbal garbage.

Don't you get it? I don't back off from the likes of you.

But I like your avatar. Too bad it's gone at this time next week.

[nebula]

47. No loyalty oaths to Clinton either

[Beacool]

34. See you, yourself.

As long as I don't trash your precious nominee, I can stay on the board.

See you........

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. That's because

You're a childish asshole, but it would still be sweet knowing that you puled the lever for the guy who trounced your idol.

[Spider Jerusalem]

33. No...she won't.

Reasons why (copy/paste from another post on this):

Consider the ready-made GOP attack ads. Hillary saying 'I have a lifetime of experience, Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience, and Senator Obaama has a speech he made in 2002.' Tagline: 'Even his own running mate thinks John McCain is more qualified to lead the country.' Trust me when I say that and that alone is more than enough to disqualify her from consideration. And if that (and all of her similar comments on the campaign trail) were not enough, she adds nothing demographically (Obama will not lose New York), addds nothing in terms of appeal to independents (and in fact is a polarising figure whose presence on a Democratic ticket would be repellent to many independents, and would energise a GOP base unenthusiastic about McCain), is viewed by a solid majority of the American electorate as slightly more trustworthy than Richard Nixon, and has a ceiling of 45% favourability with no floor. These qualities do not make for a good running mate, and one would have to seriously question Obama's judgment should Senator Clinton get the VP nod.

[wileedog]

51. 17 million people voted for her in a *Primary*

14 million people TOTAL voted in the 2004 Primary.

Combined they will have 35 Million people who have already pulled the lever for one of them once and are motivated to do so again. That's insane.

If you extrapolated out those 14 million 2004 primary voters to the 59 million Kerry voters in November, you get a factor of 4.5.

If you used a similar factor this year, that would translate to 157 million Democratic voters in 2008, which would crush anything the Swiftboats could come up with .

Obviously that is not going to happen, but at the same time you seriously maximize the get out the vote factor with these two on the ticket, to the point that Repub talking points are simply going to be drowned out in the tide.

Now I'm no Clinton fan (either of them), and I actually think the REAL drawback here is after the election, when Bill roaming the White House becomes a serious liability, but these are some numbers that are enough to not dismiss the idea out of hand IMO.

[Spider Jerusalem]

57. That's not a solid argument, though.

So thirty-five million people voted DEMOCRATIC in primaries; that's a sign that the Republicans are fucked this year no matter what. The most unpopular administration since Herbert Hoover. The most unpopular President since Nixon. A needless and unpopular war that the majority of the American public are now opposed to. A sagging economy. Skyrocketing food and fuel costs. The incumbent party, in such a political situation, doesn't have a realistic chance.

[wileedog]

63. I agree

But why not slam it home for all it is worth?

The fact is if you keep Hill off the ticket most of that 17 million of Clinton supporters are not as enthusiastic . They may not donate. They may not volunteer. They may not drag friends and family to the polls. And yes, some will retardedly vote for McCain or stay home.

Put her on the ticket and you have 35 million rabid dogs. Why not step on their throat?

[beac]

67. She doesn't need to be on the ticket. She just needs to

sincerely and forcefully tell her supporters the reasons why she will be proud to pull the lever for Obama and, if they truly support her ideals, they will do the same.


If she lives up to her promise (I know, I know... but I'm talking about how she COULD bring her supporters on board), she will campaign "her heart out" for him and help him win handily.

[wileedog]

69. Granted, but I don't buy that either

When the hook finally comes out and drags her off the stage I don't expect to see a whole lot of Hillary Clinton (or Bill for that matter) on Larry king shilling for Obama.

[beac]

72. Sadly, I fear you are right.

I was merely refuting the argument that the ONLY way to bring her supporters to Obama was the VP slot for her.

I think she's more likely to pout. I hope she proves me wrong, but I have lost so far betting that she'll act selfishly....

[wileedog]

74. The problem is

She has already framed this as her being 'forced out'. That damn sexist DNC! The crappy media who has been 'pushing her out since January'! The "I guess its ok to push the girl out!' talking points.

Unfortunately there is a significant portion of her base listening to that crap, and they will either not support the Dems or half-heartedly do their 'hold-their-nose' vote for Obama in November.

She scorched the earth behind her no doubt.

Again, I think we will win with any other sensible VP choice like Webb or Biden or Clark, but I think you really unleash a horde of incredibly fired up people on the Repubs this GE with her on the ticket, the likes of which we haven't seen probably in our lifetime.

I'm just worried if we can survive the aftermath :)

[beac]

75. Yes, we can.

:)

[wileedog]

76. ...

:toast:

[Colobo]

40. Obama/Anyone.

[rug]

41. And every Obama supporter will have a Clinton on their bumper.

[alcibiades_mystery]

43. LOL

Celebrating the Number Two spot, I should think...:rofl:

[rug]

55. The apoplexy will be worth it.

[alcibiades_mystery]

56. On both sides

[BlackVelvet04]

42. I'll be glad to bet you on that....

I know I won't.

[alcibiades_mystery]

45. Yes you will! Yes you will!

:rofl:

You're gonna be the biggest tool defender of the Obama/Clinton administration ever, a real fanatic.

[Straight Shooter]

44. You presume too much.

Just like your candidate. Don't worry about Obama's veep, worry about McCain's.

[alcibiades_mystery]

46. I'm not worried about Obama's veep

I'm laughing that kooky Hillarians will be donning Obama buttons through gritted teeth. It's fucking funny is all.

[Straight Shooter]

52. What makes you think Hillary supporters will grit their teeth and wear Obama buttons?

If they dislike him enough to grit their teeth, they won't want his name anywhere near, even if Hillary's name is connected.

FWIW, I don't want her on the ticket. I want her on the Supreme Court, which is the real seat of power in this country.

[alcibiades_mystery]

53. She's gonna be on the ticket and you're gonna be eating it

It'll be delicious in the extreme.

[Straight Shooter]

59. You seriously overestimate my emotional investment in the games of politics.

I'm watching what's happening with the same sense of detachment as I watched Kerry lose in 2004. It is what it is, and the cosmic wheels keep turning. We're all just along for the ride.

Have a nice night.

[casus belli]

48. The only redeeming aspect of such a scenario...

would be watching "pro-Hillary" freepers out themselves as the trolls they are when their message of "anything for Hillary" turns in to: "I'm so diappointed in Hillary for abandoning us like this, so I'm voting for McCain to protest her decision".

[beac]

68. dupe

dupe

[beac]

70. Bumper sticker: Disappointed Feminists for McCain

www.pleaseallowmetomakeyouasandwich.com

[AtomicKitten]

49. She will not be VP.

Her invocation of racism and assassination in this race sealed that deal.

[AZBlue]

50. Never going to happen.

She's the antithesis of everything Obama stands for.

[Zhade]

54. Obama's going to let McLame easily prove his running mate a liar by playing the Tuzla video?

Or undercut him by playing the video wherein she endorsed McLame?

Please. Obama's not stupid.

[billyoc]

60. I tried to bank it, they said it was counterfeit.

The Unclean One would never have survived the vetting process and she knows it. That's why you've never heard any of her surrogates agree that it might be possible.

[leeroysphitz]

62. Wrong. It's going to be Jim Webb. n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

65. Here's what that ticket will look like.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

66. This is simply your spiteful drean.