"Kerry should..!" Kerry should...!" "Kerry should..!" Kerry should...!"

[WilliamPitt]

You people crack me up sometimes.

[Democat]

1. DUers shouldn't say... DUers shouldn't say... DUers shouldn't say...

:)

[LittleApple81]

7. The only PROACTIVE person around here seems to be VetWife.

She does something about the press. I don't like some of the stuff that Kerry is doing (I guess not doing would be better) and got thoroughly chewed up because I said something. But I am joining in the CNN blitz program, and that might be better than complaining.

[Terran]

59. Hold on there!

Some of us work on the local leval, and quietly. We don't come here and give every friggin' detail if what we do for the cause, okay?

[Nashyra]

10. Never hurts to try and get involved

and you never can tell which "should" is going to be the golden opportunity, like the commercial they are playing for Lexus right now. I thought you were one of us, so why the "you People". Mindful of course that most of us are not as prolific a writer as you, but the great majority of us people just want Kerry to win.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. Yes, I saw one of your recent posts (link included) berating Kerry....

...for a statement about Hurricane Charley that had already been read on the air by both CNN and MSNBC. Here's the link to your recent post:

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x620396>

IMHO, that post had nothing to do with wanting Kerry to win, but had everything to do with playing politics. There are far more than just 15 confirmed deaths in Florida...if you want to do something to make a difference, go to the area around Ft. Meyers and start helping real people.

[incapsulated]

27. "Berating Kerry"?? Please

Any criticism is "berating" now?

Nashrya does plenty of on the ground, real work for Kerry and the Party in Nevada, so just back off.

[Nashyra]

42. Thank you Incapsulated.

I appreciate the support. And I have already sent funds.

[Nashyra]

47. Excuse me playing politics

You bet I was pissed looking for Kerry's statement, afterall we all get excited around here pointing out the fact that the * sat for 7 min. This is not on the magnitude of 9-11 but people have lost their lives and our candidate has been in Florida asking for votes because he cares about those people. My frustration on not seeing a forceful message is that the repukes will launch a full scale attack on him if he doesn't respond strongly. Sorry but there is a political campaign going on, the most important of our lives and the fact that lives have been lost in any state in such a castostrophic way demands a comment from our leader especially after asking for their votes. I was glad to see the statement, thank you and when I called the national headquarters they knew nothing of one just yet.

[Walt Starr]

2. Kerry should

ignore DUers who demand shit from him from their comfy chairs.

:evilgrin:

[Julien Sorel]

3. It isn't funny, actually.

I took a long hiatus from this place because of too many morons, and too much work. Now I'm considering taking another one, but just because of the morons this time. These people are seriously fucked up.

[molly]

13. Maybe they aren't morons - maybe they are simply

young, immature, and have too much time on their hands. Let's get focused - shall we?

[Julien Sorel]

38. Nah, they're morons.

I'd point you to specific posts, but it's probably against the rules, and I would probably blow a gasket deciding which ones to choose, there are so many candidates.

[Kierkegaard]

4. Kerry should...

win this election going away. And we should all be somewhere else enjoying a peaceful Saturday.

[MikeG]

5. Say that in a bunny suit and I'll crack up.

[Snoggera]

6. Kerry Will! Kerry Will! Kerry Will! Kerry Will!

maybe I should have said "shall" (could be confusing to some)

[Feanorcurufinwe]

8. Perhaps concentrating on what we should do would be more productive.

[molly]

11. AMEN!!!

:yourock:

[Placebo]

9. Well Kerry SHOULD...

honestly, i don't know why he isn't. it wouldn't be that hard, he shouldn't be shoulding. why can't his advisors make should happen? what are they getting paid for if not to be should experts.

pssh, GWB should roll all over kerry, this election is all but lost...wel it should be that is.

[Nashyra]

15. Yes Vetwife is very proactive

but I think there are more here than just sit in their comfy chair. I have been working full time for the Douglas County Democratic Womens group, running for a school board seat as a Dem and actively fundraisng for the Kerry Campaign and WesPac. In another post I just let everyone know that Nevada now has more registered Dems than Repukes by 746. It is a direct result of people coming out of their comfy chairs and take action.

[deutsey]

55. They're practicing their judo moves.

:eyes:

[xray s]

12. Try to muzzle me if you want, but I think Kerry should...

Throw more off speed stuff in the early innings and go to his heat later in the game... :)

[JohnKleeb]

14. that sounds actually how Kerry is

He's not a totally dominator early on but he dominates late.
Personally he's more like this guy than Kerry Wood.
He's a closer, like I was.

[sampsonblk]

16. This thread is cracking ME up

We are all entitled to our own opinions here, whether they are music to your ears, or just noise. After all, we are not Freepers. And every single person here has an idea of what they think Kerry should do. If they didn't, THEN I would be concerned - about their apathy.

On edit: Add to that, the track record of the DLC strategy is not very good. And some of us (probably a LOT of us) feel let down. I was a good soldier in 2000 and 2002. I rolled my sleeves up and got to the business of getting Gore into office. I am not going to "shut up and sing" anymore. That strategy was a catastrophe, whether Gore actually eaked out a win or not. And 2002 was even worse. Its time for all of us who give a damn to work and complain and work and complain. How long can our party go on like this? Hiding our real views to attract swing voters who will desert us the moment a charismatic GOPers comes along...? Ughh! I say fight and complain at the same time.

[OSheaman]

19. Agreed 100%

[Selwynn]

21. STFU.

Just kidding :toast:

[Elidor]

40. Thank you

Nicely said.

[Crunchy Frog]

43. Very well said!

I agree completely.

[NMDemDist2]

17. Kerry On! Kerry ON! KERRY ON!!!

end of message :smoke:

[Mick Knox]

20. Hope we get to laugh together after the election...

After all, it was YOU who posted how wonderful McCain was.. what an asset to Kerry he could be. You wanted that piece of dirt for VP. YOU SIR posted that garbage. You tried to lead DU towards McCain. You lead that charge.

Ha ha! funny stuff Will!

For some reason, I'm not laughing so much today. After my haitus from DU, Consider me unimpressed with DU staffers actually on this board telling us to basically do nothing and wait while they play chess.

[molly]

22. McCain is not a bad guy - McCain has honor and dignity

and has stated publicly that the SBL ad is disgusting and should be pulled. Will states his opinion - as an adult (aren't you?), you have the option to disagree.

Anger enables poor judgement. Radicals don't always think clearly.

BTW - which DU staffer is telling us what to think?

[Mick Knox]

25. And when he endorses * at the convention

And stands side by side with him, while talking out of both sides of his yap; consider how many NONDU'ers will be thinking the same thing.

McCain has Honor. McCain is a war hero. McCain has integrity. McCain tells it like it is.

And McCain says "VOTE *!!!!!!!!!"

Hopefully you and will dont listen to him when he tells you that.

[Placebo]

30. Yea and McCain has said some PRETTY NASTY things about Chelsea...

stupid jokes about her appearance, about janet reno being her 'father'.

i tell ya what, i'll see him as having integrity when he talls the bush campaign to FUCK OFF.

[molly]

31. I never heard McCain say anything nasty about Chelsea

or Janet Reno - somehow the it doesn't fit. Do you have a link?

[Placebo]

32. Here you go...

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

[Mick Knox]

33. Joke? Ha! They mean NOTHING!

Smoke and Mirrors

How about endorsing shrub?
How about fighting against a womans constitutional right?
How about making the Democratic Party look like a bunch of TWITS by putting out some BS and making them fawn all over him... just before he endorses shrub.

SHAME on those who were duped by that man.

[Carni]

58. Personally I think McCain has whored himself BIG TIME

NT other than I can't think of rude enough things to say about McCain.

[sampsonblk]

34. Well said

"...telling us to basically do nothing and wait while they play chess."

We are all supposed to be good pawns and trust that all will be fine in the end.

[VioletLake]

36. The "McCain Move" was a good one.

It was a remarkably inexpensive way to expose a nasty fracture in the GOP, while helping Kerry define a more inclusive campaign. In return, McCain got back a little "hand."

Their friendship is a persistent symbol of the "middle ground" that scares the shit out of loopy GOPers.

[NWHarkness]

23. If I might suggest...

It might be productive if people spent a little less time arguing about what Kerry should do, and a little more considering what they can do themselves.

I spent about 4 hours at our local campaign office making calls yesterday. I recruited about a dozen volunteers for an upcoming campaign event, signed up a new precinct captain, helped a woman find out where she could go to register, and left messages about the campaign on at least 50 answering machines.

It seemed like a better use of time that sitting around bitching on the internet about what Chris Matthews said to the hundred thousand hard core political junkies who watch his show, but maybe that's just me.

[realFedUp]

24. "You people"

the oft used phrase to distance oneself....

We're all voting Bush out and Kerry/Edwards
in. Some are just concerned that we don't
have any mud wrestlers on our side.

Sometimes you just have right on your side.

[bigtree]

26. Kerry good. . . ! Kerry good. . . ! Kerry good. . . ! Kerry good. . . !

:silly:

[ItsThePeopleStupid]

28. Ask not what Kerry can do for you, but what you can do for Kerry.

[patdem]

29. WOW....WilliamPitt is a hit and runner...never thought I'd see that day!

I read all the responses and looked for a WillPitt reply...NONE!!! :shrug:

[WI_DEM]

35. So what?

What does it hurt if people exchange ideas about what they think John Kerry should be doing or not doing? It doesn't hurt anybody. I thought this was a discussion board. Everybody should give an opinion if they want to. As far as I can tell 95% of the folks on this board (if not more) will vote for Kerry and a good share of us are also working for his election and the election of other democrats down the ticket. Not only democratic strategists or professional writers should be entitled to opinions and if the opinions of others crack you up...so what?

[Meshuga]

37. Will Pitt Should..!

...read what he wrote and see how condescending it sounds. :-(

[mzmolly]

39. Dean shouldn't ...! Dean shouldn't ...! Dean shouldn't ...! Dean shouldn't

Dean shouldn't ...!

:P

That would be what we're hearing if Dean were the nominee. I guess were all armchair strategists. :shrug:

[Crunchy Frog]

41. Nobody on DU should

have any opinions, or seek to offer any feedback or suggestions to the Kerry campaign. After all, the insider strategists know exactly what they're doing and no criticism or suggestion from a mere peon, no matter how constructively offered can possibly be of any help.

Of course, Mondale and Dukakis also had their insider strategists who knew exactly what they were doing...

Sorry, I've been voting for long enough, (since 1984), to have seen some really disastrous mistakes made in Democratic Presidential campaigns, so I apologize if I don't have absolute faith that things are being done in the absolute most effective manner possible.

If the strategist isn't looking for feedback and even some constructive criticism from a variety of points of view, than I question whether his time might be spent more effectively elsewhere. (I'm not suggesting that isn't why he's here, just saying if.)

Some people on here need to develop slightly thicker skins and realize that not all criticisms and suggestions are for the purpose of trying to undermine the Kerry campaign. Some of the things said on here might actually have some validity and be worth examining with an open mind.

I expect that if I get any response to this at all, it will be a flame, so this is the last I will say on the subject or contribute to this discussion.

[Mick Knox]

44. Here Here!

Well said. Very well said.

But what do I know? I'm just a dumb checkers player. Lucky for me Democratic Strategist ALWAYS win. I'm at least comforted by the fact my party is in charge of the Senate, the House, and the Executive Branch with their unbeatable strat.

[Meshuga]

46. You...

...thought this was going to be a flame but it isn't. :)

Very well said! I may even agree with these guys (WillPitt and DEM_STRATEGIST) on the strategy more than I agree with yours but you are right here. People have reasons to come up with their own conclusions even if it sounds stupid to some.

You have the rights to think someone is being stupid but mocking people for having a different opinion is unnecessary.

We all lose it sometimes when things get heated. Nobody is perfect... :-)

[senseandsensibility]

48. No flame here

I don't like the condescending "trust us" attitude either. What are we supposed to base this absolute trust on? The wonderful results of the 2000 or 2002 elections? Puhleese....:puke: Fatal mistakes are made by the losing strategists in every election. The losing side's strategists are always wrong, and lately it's been our side losing. You'd think they'd show a little more humility with their track record.

[ScreamingMeemie]

51. Please go back to your checkerboard.

I need someone to play with. ;)

[GalleryGod]

45. Kerry Should...NOT read the posts on DU!

:wow: Can you imagine IF some our crowd, here, were on the Mekong with JK?:scared:

1. We're going to win.
2. We're going to have over 300 Electoral votes.

Your Guy in the Faculty Lounge:beer: ...lookin' for free looseleaf paper!
G.G.:smoke:

[ulysses]

49. why?

It's not as if people who hold strong opinions about what politicians should do are rare on DU. Why does it crack you up?

Or are we supposed to just follow what our betters in the party hierarchy tell us to do?

[deutsey]

56. There you go again, thinking and stuff.

Shut up and wave your DLC banner.

:evilfrown:

[VOX]

50. Now that you've had a laugh on us, Will, what's your pleasure?

Shall we just say huzzah! to what precious little comes out of the Kerry camp to counter the * lies?

How about we sit back on our thumbs and just let the Kerry campaign do their thing, since their master-chess strategy has yet to blow the swift-boat liars out of the water?

I know that sometimes the "Kerry should"-thing is like trying to lift the plane off the runway by straining at the seatbelt, but there is plenty of anxiety about the upcoming election and what's at stake. The "Kerry shoulds" are attempts to start doing something positive by taking action -- in thought, at least.

It's hard to not try to push the river in this case.

[Kahuna]

52. Whatever!

:eyes:

[ContinentalOp]

53. Why should the Kerry campaigns listen to our complaints?

Because John Kerry is nothing but a product and we are the CUSTOMERS! We may not be professional strategists but we're something more important, the actual target market. We know what we want and we know what other people, particularly those who are undecided, apathetic, might be looking for or responding to. The campaign doesn't have to follow every suggestion to the letter but it's pretty obvious to see where certain types of dissatisfaction and dissillusionment are focused. The least the campaign could do is give the appearance that they are listening to their customer's concerns and taking some kind of action, even if that action is entirely superficial. It's just basic marketing.

I think there's this misguided feeling that the people at DU aren't representative of america because somehow we're political junkies and we follow everything too closely. The fact of the matter is DUers are an amazing cross-section of the exact type of people the Kerry campaign should be trying to reach, soccer moms and nascar dads included. The fact that we may be more politically informed than most voters simply means that we know we will be voting for Kerry no matter what. But doesn't change our basic emotional reactions which should be at the core of any marketing effort. If DUers have a certain human reaction to something that's happening in the race you can be sure it's the same gut reaction that the majority of the population will have. Perhaps all of those polls are a actually a distraction to the pros and we're the only ones with any kind of perspective.

I'm reminded of one of those corporations that tries desparately to market a new product to a hip young target group, only to see the product bomb dramatically because nobody bothered to talk to a few 16 year old kids and listen to their stupid ideas. Or they did talk to a focus group, decided their ideas were stupid and went ahead and did their own thing.

[Guaranteed]

54. Us peons are pretty fucking silly, it's true.

We think we matter or something.

[Seabiscuit]

64. Last time I looked

the Kerry campaign didn't give a flying fuck about us peons. They're still enmeshed in their tried-and-false DLC political gamemanship, and if they keep it up it doesn't matter how rotten the Bushistas are, Kerry and his people could go the way of Mondale and Dukakis after all.

They simply refuse to listen to *any* criticism. Remind you of anyone occupying the White House?

[Guaranteed]

65. It's fear more than anything. nt

[latebloomer]

57. Last time I checked, this WAS DU

And you want us not to express our OPINIONS!?!

:shrug:

[Radical Activist]

60. Everybody is an armchair campaign manager

It gets real old. Especially from the perspective of a campaign staffer who is working hard and doesn't have enough volunteers but more than enough people who think they know how to run a campaign better than a political professional.

My compliments to everyone who is actively volunteering on any Democratic campaign at any level of government!

[John_H]

61. Kerry should only listen to DUers with those looooong track records

of winning elections. Really, people. Shut up and let the old salts win this one. But please send money.

[gulliver]

62. Will Pitt should...! Will Pitt should...! Will Pitt should...!

...teach Kerry the technique of scoring rhetorical points without offering any reasoning at all. It truly is a skill our entire goody two shoes Democratic party seems to lack.

Bush and Cheney use mockery and glibness almost exclusively. Will Pitt is using it here for provocation. Kerry and the rest of the Dems should use it too.

Thanks for the demo!

[TheRovingGourmet]

63. Glad we can provide you with entertainment. Want some popcorn?