"She's winning the General Election today"

[undeterred]

Brilliant statement by ex-president Clinton :sarcasm:

[sniffa]

1. He should have dropped out in 1992

As he had no shot against President Perot.

[cbc5g]

4. Lol guess he can't remember the polls in '92 n/t

[Mike L]

31. Bill led in the polls from June '92 through the election. em

[LSparkle]

2. By some of those "always reliable" polls?

The same ones that showed she'd lose BIG in New Hampshire?
Suddenly Bill's relying on those same polls???

[undeterred]

5. Bill relies on whatever he can find.

[Bensthename]

3. MSM and all others with brains call Billary on that lie daily. They dont care though. It brings $$

So that is fine let her pay off her debt so us Obama supporters dont have to..

[Mass]

6. Probably because Hillary and him were the two only people to go to the polls today

:sarcasm:

[Ichingcarpenter]

7. Bill thinks Today is yesterday or yesteryear or however he defines today

"It depends on how you define "alone" ... there were a lot of times when we were alone, but I never really thought we were."

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is"
- excerpts from Bill Clinton's grand jury testimony

[blonndee]

8. It depends on what your meaning of the word "winning" is.

Since she's not in, and WON'T be in the GE, his BS is just that...BS.

[Ichingcarpenter]

10. This is classic Bill Clinton- History of the Slick Willie from Sept. 1980 -PBS

PBS: FRONTLINE - 1996

"As best as I can determine, thanks to the help of the Pine Bluff public library, it had it's origin on September 27, 1980, shortly after Bill Clinton gave a speech before the state Democratic convention in which he depicted himself as in the tradition of progressive governors in this state, an assertion that offended us at the Pine Bluff Commercial because we thought of him as more of a trimmer who had broken this succession of reform governors, from Winthrop Rockefeller, to Dale Bumpers, to David Prior. And so we used the sobriquet, Slick Willy on that occasion and it caught on."


FL: You don't think he's going for anything more than the winning of, rather than the having of an agenda or...


"Does he have a vision or agenda that he pursues, does he have direction in which he is leading the country? I have never been able to detect any particular principal that Bill Clinton would not sacrifice in order to advance his political career. There may be some down the road that have not popped up yet. But I don't conceive of any particular principal that has guided his politics. I think that even his supporters and defenders when they're being straightforward would not say that a sense of direction, a sense of iron principals is the first thing that one thinks of in connection with Bill Clinton. On the contrary. One thinks of him as a very flexible politician. In fact, to Bill Clinton flexibility may be all."

FL: Was there one single sort of moment of retraction or waffling or failure to sort of follow through that was a turning point for you in the way you regarded Bill?



"What was the moment Bill Clinton tore it with me? I just got through looking through about 20 years of my columns about Bill Clinton trying to find the most interesting ones in the sense of the best and, unfortunately, the worst. And one thing that surprised me was how many times I had been willing to give Bill Clinton the benefit of the doubt, or had said, "Well he may have been expedient in this case, but down the road he will surely find his principals and continue."
>>>>>>

FRONTLINE PBS 1996...........


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/choice/bill/greenberg.html

[blonndee]

11. "...down the road he will surely find his principals and continue"

Now THAT sounds familiar. It seems a common mistake among those of us who wanted to give the Clinton machine the benefit of the doubt.

[Ichingcarpenter]

12. The PBS complete interview really explains what we are seeing now

On how many times we have seen their triangulation. Even the real
reformed Democrats that came out of Arkansas never went back
on their priciples like Bill did... Bill is one hell of a politician,
but ethically flawed.




I was curious on how the term 'slick willie' got started.

[quaker bill]

9. Is it November already?

man how time flies...

[Liberal Veteran]

21. It seems awfully warm around here for November. Must be the Chinook.

:shrug:

[quaker bill]

35. In FL

it can be warm anytime of the year. This could explain a few things.... or perhaps not.

[suston96]

13. He happens to be correct:

Here's Obama:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May27....

And here is how Hillary would do:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May2...

[undeterred]

17. The General Election is not NOW, it is in November.

The primary is NOW, and Obama will win the primary and be the Democratic nominee. Accept that.

[Mike L]

18. They would rather lose with Obama than win with Clinton. em

[Doityourself]

28. They would rather lose with Clinton than win with Obama..or they'd rather vote for McCain

before joining Obama's camp. See how it works.

[Mike L]

30. No far left Dem has ever won the WH, e.g., Mondale, Dukakis.

Independents elect the President and they lean conservative. Obama supporters are wasting this election.

[Doityourself]

33. You think Clinton can garner a significant # of the indie vote..lmao..oh come on!

[PM7nj]

34. Obama is far left?

I remember a few months ago Clinton supporters bitching about how moderate Obama is.

[Doityourself]

25. No, he's delusional! This is the primary, not the GE.

[frylock]

29. now post a pic of what your aunt would like if she had testicles

[quaker bill]

36. Except for that silly calendar thing

John Kerry was up ten+ points about now in 2004. Not all that curious when you consider that Clinton is running the same campaign on the same map.

You do understand that republicans have been planning to run against Hillary in this election for 8 years? Heard about "Hillary The Movie"? Repug oppo researchers have spent 4 million dollars and years of time working on it. It is "in the can" and ready to go. All reports are that it would make the swift boaters seem like amatuer hour.

Always remember, Hillary was for the war, before she was against it.

Remember 2004? Republicans never pull out the big guns until they have a fixed target.

Just like Kerry, Hillary Clinton is another unelectable DLC candidate. Enough is enough already. Having the woodstock generation / Vietnam Vet POW argument again will serve no one. It is time to move on, and curiously, we are.

[Lucky 13]

14. dur

[cliffordu]

15. Did he have a stoke??? Jeezus

[Elmagoo]

16. Clinton is the king of BS

Funnoty?

[Cali_Democrat]

19. It's already November?

:crazy:

[billyoc]

20. Hang in there, Bill, the women diet is almost over.

[AtomicKitten]

22. The Clintons jumped the shark months ago.

[EFerrari]

23. That's sad, too. n/t

[PlanetBev]

24. Yeah, that's what they told us about Kerry

I think he was up at least 8 points over Bush about this time in 2004.
They also told us he was the most electable.

That worked out swell, didn't it?

[Blue-Jay]

26. .

[ErinBerin84]

27. I'm too lazy to look up this polling data to see if this is true

(hey, at least I'm being honest), but Chuck Todd said today that Bill Bradley, Edwards, and McCain (in 2000) all started polling better when their campaigns were essentially coming to the end, because the other candidates had ceased to run campaigns AGAINST them, since they were pretty much out of the game. And so it's not really that out of the ordinary for your polling numbers to pick up once you are running virtually unopposed. Again, just quoting Chuck Todd and take it with a grain of salt, because I don't feel like looking up data right now to see if that's actually true. Someone else feel free if they wish, on either side.

[slinkerwink]

32. Uh, she's losing the PRIMARY ELECTION today.

[anigbrowl]

37. She was winning the nomination last December, but look at her now.

GE is 5 months away. Polls today don't mean any more than the polls meant last december as a guide to how things are today.

[crickets]

38. Geez, Bill. Way to catapult the propaganda.

:eyes:

[NotThisTime]

39. What an idiot... we're running a damn primary