I'm An Obama Supporter And I Don't Understand The Rage About Clinton's Example

[phrenzy]

She was giving an example of races that had unusual circumstances that showed that the party is equipped to deal with last hour decisions about a candidate.

Really, if I had heard that comment on my own, without it being twisted and contorted into a veiled threat on Obama I would have not counted it as anything other than another rationalization for Hillary staying in the race.

But, fuck, more of this rabid, emotional, anything goes Hillary hate? Come on people. I want Barack to win too, but his campaign is about transcending this kind of bullshit and the nastiness of some of my fellow Obama supporters is nothing short of shameful.

At this point, the frustration with Hillary for staying in the race (which I share) is being replaced by an "ends-justify-the means / anything goes" barrage of hate.

Can't you people see how you have become the new breed of "They killed Vince Foster" anti-Clinton nuts?

Do you really believe in your heart that she was trying to convey that "Hey, there's a real chance Obama might get assasinated (winkwink nudgenudge), so I'm gonna stay here just incase"??

That's fucking ridiculous.

Look Hillary has made some low blows (3AM ad) during this campaign, but this was obviously just an attempt to deflect criticism of her remaining in the race by citing examples of campaigns that went long. If anything, citing 1968 would simply imply that a bad result would come of any attempt on Obama's life, since that is the year that gave us Nixon!

[sniffa]

1. She could have said, '68 went on into the summer

Or she could have mentioned the nominee that year.

[BlooInBloo]

7. Or she could've mentioned 1984, or, or, or.... DIDN'T.

[Crazy Dave]

2. People having opinions

How dare they

[BlooInBloo]

3. Bill was waiting for CALIFORNIA delegates. Hilary's waiting for Puerto RIco delegates...

Guess which one has more?

Clinton explicitly based her rationale for staying in the race on Obama getting his head blown off. Anyone who doesn't have a problem with that is fucking sick.

[napi21]

24. She also mentioned Gary Hart and how quickly his campaign fell apart.

You are only hearing the parts you WANT to hear and ignoring the rest.

[flor de jasmim]

4. If you were of adult or near adult age in 1968, you'd understand.

(at least I assume you're not)

[DAGDA56]

14. I was twelve...old enough to be aware of what was happening...

...I agree, that unless you were there, you can't completely grasp what was so offensive about the comment.

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[LostinVA]

10. Wow -- now that is delusional

[Saturday]

20. What a ridiculous comment. nt

[ecstatic]

6. Why was '68 the only other year she repeatedly points to?

Wake up.

[sandnsea]

8. No she wasn't, here's why

She was referring to races that end in June and expressing dismay that people want her to quit.

There IS NO California primary in June this year, no primary that has a large number of delegates up for grab. The June California primary is completely irrelevant in regards to THIS primary.

So why does she keep bringing it up? She's not that stupid.

And if it isn't bad enough that she keeps telling that lie - why does she have to add to it by telling the supers "anything can happen" and then top it off with the reminder of an assassination at a June primary that has NO bearing on the current election.

[movonne]

9. You don't huh...

[bjnumb9]

11. You say it's ridiculous. I say Hillary has shown she's beyond ridiculous.

She can stay in the race until she's blue in the face. The nomination is Obama's. However, her stage from which she's throwing her temper tantrum should be taken away. It's time for the superdelegates to move their asses.

[yodermon]

12. Thanks for explaining.

[dcindian]

13. Look we are just thinking of protecting Clinton by urging her to get out now before its too late.

Stop and think what damage you may be doing to her family you know what happened when Benazir Bhutto ran. Hillary should drop out now.



See it yet?

[Saturday]

15. Wow, an BO supporter I can agree with. That was nice reading.

Thanks for being logical.

[romana]

16. QFT

Can't you people see how you have become the new breed of "They killed Vince Foster" anti-Clinton nuts?

QFT.

[writes3000]

17. You MUST understand the rage...

And so should Hillary Clinton.

First, I agree with you. In watching the clip, I did not see a person trying to warn or hope for assassination attempts.

But she should know better. The reasons are obvious.

To millions of people Barack Obama has become this generation's hope for a JFK, RFK and MLK.

What happened to all of those great leaders?

Assassinated.

So Hillary should just avoid the topic when referring to Barack and what could happen to him in this race.

It's not that tough.

The fact that she's done this over and over again suggests that she doesn't care what it stokes in the minds of Democrats and their enemies.

She should know better.

[Fire_brand]

18. There is NO OTHER WAY to interpret this

He was saying: Sometimes Primaries are decided late in the game. Example 1: Bill Clinton, Example 2: RFK.

[democrattotheend]

19. I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt too

I have seen politicians destroyed by a poorly worded comment and I don't like to do that to anyone. But I looked at the quote again and she specifically used the word assassinate...she did not say "Robert Kennedy did not wrap up the nomination until June". At the very least, it was highly insensitive. I've gone canvassing in black neighborhoods and met older black women who say they pray for his safety...I've met people who are afraid to vote for him because they are afraid he'll get assassinated. I am not going to accuse her of having a malicious motive, but at the very least, her comments were highly insensitive.

[writes3000]

22. THAT is the key issue. How could she not know how explosive the comparison is?

[jasmine621]

21. You are NOT a TYPICAL Obama supporter. Thank, God.

It's so disgusting what is happening to our party and really, all because of Obama.

[writes3000]

26. Hillary Clinton needs to take some responsibility here.

She's made PLENTY of statements that are in bad taste at best, race-baiting and inflammatory at worst.

If she doesn't understand that she shouldn't be making assassination comparisons during this race, she's just not smart.

[Lerrad]

23. Well ....

When I first heard the comment I didn't see what all the fuss was about either. But after reading it again, it clearly implies that she is not giving up yet because something could happen to Obama before the race is over. That is almost a threat it's self against Obama.

[Guava Jelly]

25. I totally do

eom

[Birthmark]

27. Ah, well your problem is...

...you're sane. :)

That's the way I read it, too. Not a high point in elocution, but hardly threatening in any way.

[bunkerbuster1]

28. I'm with you.

I'm not happy she made the comment, in retrospect it was kinda dumb, but it's been blown ridiculously out of proportion.

And yeah, I'm no longer neutral, I definitely want Obama as the nominee, and I want Hillary to bow out (soon after the last primary is fine with me; although fiddling around and appealing the rules committee in hopes of taking her gripes to the convention is NOT.)

[RamboLiberal]

29. When her surrogates like McAuliffe and Wolfson are out there

saying things like.

Terry McAuliffe, campaign chairman for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), admitted Sunday that “something big would have to happen” for his candidate to overtake Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10259.html

Yeah Terry, like whenever Hillary, you, Wolfson, Lanny, etc. mention this any of us with a sense of history don't visualize 1968 and RFK bleeding on the hotel kitchen floor in LA. Hillary didn't need to say it!

Give me a break. Hillary really stepped in to it on this one. She had to know better even if for no other reason in that if Obama was assasinated where would the :tinfoilhat: conspiracies start within seconds?

She knows that nutcases in this country have already put a target on Obama. Being female and a Clinton I imagine there are some nutcases that would target her as well.

I lived through the 60's. This is a fear for me for Obama. Heck the way the RW punditry like Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. whipped up the froth during the 90's I feared for Bill Clinton and his family.

Hillary, especially after the "hard-working white voter" gaffe of a couple of weeks ago Hillary should have been more careful of what she was saying. She lived and continues to live in the security bubble. She had to been fearful at times for Bill or her life at times. I imagine some of the Secret Service briefings to them were scary.

[apocalypsehow]

30. Oh, goodee: another "I'm an Obama supporter, BUT..." OP. Just what the Dr. ordered.

:eyes:

[Iceburg]

31. I worry about ALL of the candidates and their immediate families,

and THEY DO TOO, as do those charged with protecting them ...hundreds of brave security agents.
Dare I say you should worry too... christ, how many of America's best have died at the hands of some delusional nutcase?

The high concentration number of nutcases on this site alone spewing the most vile hatred is enough to frighten anyone.
I know if I was in charge with security detail I would have many of you on my watch list.

[phrenzy]

32. Good Lord

Much of this stuff is straight out of Freak Republic.

I mean, in a way, I guess this is indicative of how Hillary really does need to get out of the race. If she makes even one misstep she gets absolutely crucified because of all of the pent up anger over her drawing this out.

But, please - To imply that she is actually encouraging, hoping for or hinting at Obama's assassination is insanity on the 9/11 "truthers" level.

I love Obama, but I'm not so sure about his supporters.