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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:28 AM Original message |
"Have you actually read the rules?" |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. We don't need your silly facts. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Nancy Pelosi and Dean are just scared of Hillary - they feel need to FU Hill's supporters |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. A lot of people are scared of HRC |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #25 |
37. explain. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. When Bill first ran for re-election as governor of Arkansas he lost. |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. ok... well, |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. It was just an inside joke until a pseudo-journalist |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
2. I've read the rules |
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Tommy_Carcetti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. And Howard Dean and Co. decided to totally blow it by going overboard in that respect |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. And that was decided long before Hillary was losing! n/t |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Florida has more of a stand because ALL the candidates were on the ballot |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Howard Dean had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #11 |
104. The DLC is scapegoating Howard Dean because they want Harold Ford in charge. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. That is not the issue right now |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
38. and WHY NH...IA..and SC escaped penalty? |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
55. they asked for waivers to move date and got it. The waiver was to move the date up |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. May I see the waiver clause in The Rules? |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
72. That is the basis of the lawsuit...that a "mandatory" punishment was not applied. |
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Buck Rabbit (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
65. By a committee dominated by Hillary's people. |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Hillary people were NOT the only "bad guys" in Florida... |
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graycem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 04:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
127. Howard Dean |
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dave29 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
81. I also read the rules. Thanks for pointing out more Clintonian parsing. |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:26 AM Response to Reply #2 |
105. Then you support taking delegates away from NH, SC, etc... |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
3. A Hillary supporters blog, is hardly a good factual reference |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
5. Given this fact, why is Clinton arguing for 100% seated? |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. And Terry McAuliffe set the precendet for 100% in 2004 n/t |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Because 50% does not give her what she needs |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. It's impossible to get what she needs, other than claiming Popular vote total! n/t |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. But she can only do that if Hillary gets 100% and Obama gets 0% in MI |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
84. and stop picking on Hillary. I'm voting for the Democrat, but this is a little much |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Isn't it funny how your post is about the only truthful one here and it's being ignored? BTW I agree |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #84 |
94. Thank you, no one disputed you, interesting. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 03:11 AM Response to Reply #84 |
118. i wont dispute it but i |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. BINGO!!!!!! POST OF THE DAY! |
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Jen-MI (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. I think FL/MI would be alright with following the origional rules... |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
41. Yes, it was not the voters fault |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #41 |
96. You say that, but you don't have a crystal ball, and now the courts will say... |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #23 |
95. Yep |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
74. Then go ahead and take half of NH, SC, etc.'s delegates and give FL theirs... |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
109. Then you support taking delegates away from NH, SC, etc... |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
113. No, but you would also have to support removing delegates from SC, NH, etc. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
6. The rules committee will make the decision. It could be argued that |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
39. THEY WERE! Then they TOOK their names off! not part of the roolz! |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
62. I am an Obama supporter, but I will be happy when this primary is over |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:30 AM Response to Reply #62 |
106. I will also vote for the Democratic candidate...and I'd like to win in Nov. |
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JohnnyLib2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
8. I read the rules for DU--again. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
9. Hillary said Michigan wasn't going to count anyway |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
12. So Obama still wins. |
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mcctatas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
16. ummmm... |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #16 |
28. The Rules Committe - who voted to exclude all the delegates |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
18. Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids! |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
19. Good OP but I take it one step further..... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
24. Why did Clinton strategist Ickes and many others vote for the maximum penalty? |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
26. Here's a link to ALL the rules - not just the parts that the Clinton camp want us to see |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
27. Okay. So why is Hillary pushing for 100% instead of 50%? Why is she demanding they break the rules? |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Well its been one hour and no response. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
80. Excuse me for being away from the computer |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
29. No! You're supposed to tell us what we want to hear! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. And he is. So why is Hillary pushing for 100%, instead of the 50% required by the rules? |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #34 |
78. Because SC, NH, etc. didn't lose their delegates..... |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
30. Nice nt |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
32. Some people raise confimration bias to an artform. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
33. I would comment on this thread but my comment would be non-unifying. |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
35. and this person..which is on the ROOOLZ committee(Undecided my ass!!) |
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mcctatas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:17 AM Response to Reply #35 |
102. FAIL |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
36. You left out the part that the RBC has the option of taking ALL delegates away |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Then why is Hillary demanding FULL seating when the rules state otherwise? |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #42 |
103. because SC, NH, etc. didn't lose their delegates..... |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. How did you even see this thread? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I emptied my list....but it's growing again |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
44. So why is Hillary pushing for 100%, instead of the 50% required by the rules? |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. They refuse to deal with facts or rules. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Or reality! n/t |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
75. because the rules allow the committee |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. THat doesn't answer the question. |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. The MINIMUM sanction is 50%. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #75 |
89. The rules also state the mandatory minimum punishment is 50%. Why isn't Hillary fighting for that? |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 04:03 AM Response to Reply #75 |
123. You, Finally(!) admit that the R&BLC can |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
46. rules commitee already ruled to strip them |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
49. So why is Hillary pushing for 100%, instead of the 50% required by the rules? K&R for answers. |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
79. because SC, NH, etc. didn't lose their delegates..... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
50. Bill Clinton: 50% an appropriate penalty. Harold Ickes: only 100% seating will do. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Through Harold Ickes - the guy who voted earlier to strip 100% of the delegates from FL/MI? |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
54. Fine.... let's go with #2.... we'll allocate half. Problem is... your candidate won't agree... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
56. So why is Hillary pushing for 100%, instead of the 50% required by the rules? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. So why is Hillary pushing for 100%, instead of the 50% required by the rules? |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. So why is Hillary pushing for 100%, instead of the 50% required by the rules? |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Why, oh why, is Hillary pushing for 100%, instead of the 50% required by the rules? |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:17 AM Response to Reply #61 |
101. because SC, NH, etc. didn't lose their delegates..... |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:42 AM Response to Reply #101 |
111. SC, NH, etc. didn't lose their delegates because |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 03:44 AM Response to Reply #111 |
122. Show me the St. Pete Times article where Fl supported "all the states" |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
60. K/R...for best 'shooting oneself in the foot' thread. |
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FatDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Yup. Reccommended. (nt) |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
63. Are you arguing that 50% should be seated? |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
64. the DNC "voted" for the sanctions... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
76. Who cares who voted for them? |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. I kind of think there are rules needed... |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
66. Thanks! I forwarded this to the Clinton Campaign. |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
67. "The MANDATORY penalty is exclusion of one half ... |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:36 AM Response to Reply #67 |
107. So you want half the delegates from SC, NH, etc. excluded also... |
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Abacus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
68. Which arguments are false? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
69. So why is Hillary pushing for 100%, instead of the 50% required by the rules? |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #69 |
97. because SC, NH, etc. didn't lose their delegates..... |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:40 AM Response to Reply #97 |
108. SC, NH, etc. didn't lose their delegates because |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #108 |
116. which was the original issue that allowed Fl to be dumb... |
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FatDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
70. Can you answer the question MonkeyFunk? |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #70 |
100. because SC, NH, etc. didn't lose their delegates..... |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #100 |
110. SC, NH, etc. didn't lose their delegates because |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 03:35 AM Response to Reply #110 |
120. hmmm...please post the link where the state legislatures voted on a calendar? |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
83. It appears you're suggesting that since the R&BC can change the punishment |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
87. So why is Hillary pushing for 100%, instead of the 50% required by the rules? |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:14 AM Response to Reply #87 |
99. because SC, NH, etc. didn't lose their delegates..... |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:43 AM Response to Reply #99 |
112. SC, NH, etc. didn't lose their delegates because |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #112 |
115. which is a back room deal...and opened the door for local legislatures to act... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
88. So why is Hillary pushing for 100%, instead of the 50% required by the rules? |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. We all must be on Monkey Stank's ignore list. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Well, he's said elsewhere that the committee is free to change the rules around, |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:14 AM Response to Reply #88 |
98. because SC, NH, etc. didn't lose their delegates..... |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #98 |
114. SC, NH, etc. didn't lose their delegates because |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 03:14 AM Response to Reply #114 |
119. Here is your question... |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 04:06 AM Response to Reply #119 |
125. We're just talking past each other here. |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 06:29 AM Response to Reply #125 |
129. If you talk to some who voted, like my state legislator, you'll see... |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 03:03 AM Response to Reply #98 |
117. I hope that we are now getting to the point! |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
90. Fine. Then why was she ok with this arrangement at the beginning? |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Monkey you're being paged. |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 03:38 AM Response to Original message |
121. Yes. Yes, I have. |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 04:04 AM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Now you have hit the nail on the head! |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 04:10 AM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Just an observation |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 06:00 AM Response to Reply #126 |
128. The name Sancho comes from Don Quixote (I'm not Hispanic) |
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