Clintons controlled Dem party 1993-2005. When did they EVER work to secure the votes

[blm]

of any Democratic voter in any state, for any Dem candidate or election during THEIR tight stewardship of the party throughout those years?

And especially after the blatant theft of 2000 by various tactics of the RNC which had gained control of the election process at every level where the votes are allowed, cast and counted in so many states - Was the Clinton loyalist filled DNC ever directed to secure the process and strengthen state party infrastructures and state party rules to assure that no other election would ever be stolen again, and that every vote by a Democratic voter for a Democratic candidate for ANY OFFICE would never be lost, stolen or purged, ever again?. Why was there never one concerted effort made to COUNTER the RNC and its votestealing tactics?

Does anyone think the Clintons and McAuliffe were too naive and didn't KNOW what the RNC was doing state by state all these years?

Does anyone believe Clintons ever cared about all votes counting in ANY OTHER DEM ELECTION before she lost Super Tuesday?

[havocmom]

1. word

[Mme. Defarge]

2. What is even more troubling

is the fact that leaders of McCain's and her campaigns have ties to the same electronic voting machine company. How coincidental is that?

[John Q. Citizen]

3. Well Clinton claims her vote for war was really a vote for bush to wage peace, so maybe she is that

naive?

Naw!

[Bread and Circus]

4. What did the Clinton's do 1992 to 2000 to prevent the vote theft in 2000?

[blm]

6. A brave president would've made an executive order to count every vote. A Bushtool would

stand on the sidelines and let the Bushes run their games.

Clintons never once stood against BushInc in 7 years and now want to pretend they are the only ones who could. The media would have let them get away with it, too, except for the many of us Dems who paid attention to the deceits of the Clintons and saw their dependable support for BushInc all these years.

[LSparkle]

5. Answer: NEVER. Their goal was all about MONEY ...

not building a REAL, 50-state party (as Howard Dean has attempted
to do). And along the way, he's done pretty well at fundraising,
too (take that, McAwful!).

[EmeraldCityGrl]

7. I saw Bill appear publicly with Bush Sr more than i did with other Dems n/t

I recall Obama campaigning in my state for Marie Cantwell, never saw Clinton or Hillary

[blm]

13. Bill was the key defender of Bush2 on terror and Iraq decisions from 2002-2005, too.

I believe his defense of Bush was deliberate to give Bush all the cover he needed with moderate voters and to protect 2008 for Hillary.

[msallied]

18. Exactly. Clinton and Bush Sr were nearly inseparable

after Hurricane Katrina (or was it the tsunami... I disremember which thing they got together on), but I've rarely seen them working with other Democrats. I don't know why more people can't see what has been so obvious from the beginning: the Clintons are Republicans in Democrats clothing.

[Cha]

8. clintons thought they had secured the Democratic nomination for them..

Boy, were they ever fucking surprised! The Perfect Storm for Democracy had a big ol' "Fuck you" in store for bilaryitis.

[blm]

11. Yep - all those Dems focked over for years by Clintons did NOT go quietly into the night

as they expected.

[chill_wind]

9. Big kick and rec. n/t

[Yavin4]

10. Where Was Hillary In 2000 When The Congressional Black Caucus

needed a Senator to sign their petition to throw out the Florida electors. Oh, I forgot, Hillary only fights for White working class people.

[blm]

12. Pretty soon it will be VERY WHITE Working People. Every day they make me madder that I ever

defended them.

This country would have been better off with an EXPOSED and IMPEACHED GHWBush, and a landslide Dem victory in 1996 for Gore/Kerry.

[mod mom]

17. you forgot hardworking as opposed to all of us white working class who do not support her.

[blm]

22. heh...pretty damn sad turn of events, eh, mod?

Just when you think they can't possibly go any lower.....

[Emit]

14. The tinfoil's tight

for me these days. Still can't get over the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton grande scheme of the last, oh, 25 + years, if you include Bush Senior's VP stint --that's more than half my adult life -- leaves an awful taste, IMHO.

[blm]

15. And explains how the Bushes have gotten away with all the illegal operations that a few

HONEST Dems worked for years to uncover and unravel their fascist schemes.

Bill sided with BushInc on the issues of secrecy and privilege that protected a closed government operating for the powerful elite. That worked out well for our party, the country, and the world, didn't it?

[mod mom]

16. He set the groundwork for the 2000 coup by signing the Telecom Act of '96.

they had to get control of the message before they could move forward.

[Tatiana]

24. Absolutely. n/t

[Emit]

27. Yes, thanks mod mom, for the reminder ... and for a reminder to all what this resulted in

Here's a good summary:

*Lifted the limit on how many radio stations one company could own. The cap had been set at 40 stations. It made possible the creation of radio giants like Clear Channel, with more than 1,200 stations, and led to a substantial drop in the number of minority station owners, homogenization of play lists, and less local news.

*Lifted from 12 the number of local TV stations any one corporation could own, and expanded the limit on audience reach. One company had been allowed to own stations that reached up to a quarter of U.S. TV households. The Act raised that national cap to 35 percent. These changes spurred huge media mergers and greatly increased media concentration. Together, just five companies - Viacom, the parent of CBS, Disney, owner of ABC, News Corp, NBC and AOL, owner of Time Warner, now control 75 percent of all prime-time viewing.

*The Act deregulated cable rates. Between 1996 and 2003, those rates have skyrocketed, increasing by nearly 50 percent.

*The Act permitted the FCC to ease cable-broadcast cross-ownership rules. As cable systems increased the number of channels, the broadcast networks aggressively expanded their ownership of cable networks with the largest audiences. Ninety percent of the top 50 cable stations are owned by the same parent companies that own the broadcast networks, challenging the notion that cable is any real source of competition.

*The Act gave broadcasters, for free, valuable digital TV licenses that could have brought in up to $70 billion to the federal treasury if they had been auctioned off. Broadcasters, who claimed they deserved these free licenses because they serve the public, have largely ignored their public interest obligations, failing to provide substantive local news and public affairs reporting and coverage of congressional, local and state elections.

*The Act reduced broadcasters' accountability to the public by extending the term of a broadcast license from five to eight years, and made it more difficult for citizens to challenge those license renewals.

http://www.mediamouse.org/features/061407bill_.php

Also of import, noted at the link:

In the same way that Clinton's support of NAFTA, the war in Iraq, and welfare reform have been a detriment to working people, media deregulation under Clinton has only benefited big business.

[cliffordu]

20. Jesus, I FORGOT about Bush seniors VP years...I just gagged a little...

They
have
got
to
go.

[AtomicKitten]

19. ClintonCo and the GOP are scrambling like cockroaches when the light switches on,

knowing the era of Bush-Clinton politics is over.

The Clintons have lost all credibility and, in fact, are starting to emulate this:

[FatDave]

21. Getting rid of the Clintons will be the best thing for the democratic party in a long time.

I'm sorry to say it, but I now believe it wholeheartedly.

[blm]

28. I hope 2008 marks the end of Clinton-Lieberman wing of the party's stranglehold

on Democrats around the country, and especially in DC.

[Tatiana]

23. Would have been nice if the Clintons had come to Ohio in 2004

and spoke out against the disenfranchisement of voters there.

The Clintons allowed our party to wilt. We had to sit by and watch as a decades-long majority in Congress evaporated under Clinton via the "Republican Revolution." There was no revolution. There was the Republicans implementing a strategy that had failed time and time again, yet our side provided no counter to the argument.

[dansolo]

25. And where was the Florida Democratic Party when 90,000 voters were purged?

What the hell were the Florida Democrats doing when Katherine Harris was illegally disenfranchising Democratic voters in 2000?

[blm]

26. The DNC had allowed many state party infrastructures to collapse by the late 90s, and

that included Florida and Ohio.

There were never any measures put in place to counter the deceitful tactics of the RNC the GOP lawmakers who directed those operations.

We have been told for years that Clintons had the smartest, savviest political operation in the Dem party, yet they never used it once to counter the RNC's tactics used to thwart the will of the voter. So....were they naive or ....... deliberately looking the other way?

[SoFlaJet]

29. I sat here watching and waiting in PB County in 2000

for Bill or Hillary to show up and help-they never came. Then in 2004 I sat here waiting for them to help us in Ohio-they never did then either. I wondered why until I saw HRC come out and throw John Kerry under the bus ON MY TV SCREEN for fucking up a punchline to a stupid joke in front of a bunch of college kids. THEN I saw her momemts after her "good friend" John McCain came out and renounced and rejected Kerry's thoughtless words while our troops were in battle. THEN I figured it all out-she had been playing for this election for 8 years. Fuck her and fuck Bill too.

[Medusa]

30. The Clintons are done politically. Hillary won't be reelected to the Senate in NY state.

She's fucked up her chances there beyond all belief. She and Bill are both beyond redemption. Why do you think Bill is pushing Chelsea into politics now? He knows Hillary is finished, kaput, over, done.