Wow, David Gergen: Hillary should say "If you're going to vote for me because of his race I don't

[housewolf]

want you vote"!!!

He said she should stand behind her years of civil rights work, take a principled stand against racism

[Mooney]

1. She SHOULD say that,

but I'm not going to hold my breath.

[Radio_Lady]

19. Think about it. She just might say it. She has been for racial equality since I was a young woman.

She is eight years younger than I am.

This is a woman who honestly believes she can answer her country's call -- as our president. I do believe she would also accept VP, which would unite our party.

[Duke Newcombe]

32. She'd accept it. It won't be offered, however.

Every passing second she actively courts the racist vote, her future in the party grows dimmer.

Duke

[chascarrillo]

40. We're 40+ states too late for her to say that.

[earthlover]

47. Don't hold your breath! She didn't castigate Ferraro's racist drivvle.....

Of course Ferraro had to resign, but at no point did Hillary speak out against racism. Not then. Not today. Not ever.

Instead she talks about her appeal to those working, hard working....whites.

It is no wonder that 20% of Kentucky voters voted because of race and almost all of them voted for Hillary.

Yet she shows no...none...nada...zilch....evidence of speaking out against these bigots who voted for her.

I say give these back woods racist idiots their worst nightmare: a black president! I can't wait to hear from their consternations.

[Tarheel_Dem]

84. Hillary can still help unite the party from afar. She doesn't have to be on

the ticket to speak out against racism. If her speaking out against racist assholes like the ones who carried her to victory in WV & KY is "conditional", then that means she was old big old hypocrite for all those 35 years.

I don't think two Senators, whose origins are in IL, are the right blend for the ticket. We need a strong southerner to partner with Obama, preferably with some national security cred. Hillary on the ticket, while it may unite our party, does absolutely nothing in the way of attracting Independents and disaffected Republicans.

[kwenu]

2. Watch your back David. I heard there is a bus circling around the parking lot.

[Connie_Corleone]

3. But then she would have to think about the country, not just herself.

That's asking way too much from her.

[bluestateguy]

4. Never mind that, I want McCAIN to be forced to say that

and that would then put him in the trap of either having to alienate much of the racist Republican base, or look like he is excusing racism.

[grannylib]

5. Wow! Gergen said that??? He's right, and I hope she does.

She'd surely gain back a lot of the respect I had for her.

[Justitia]

6. LOL - yeah, but she'd be lying (not that it'd be new to her). -eom

[Pirate Smile]

7. Edwards said that but Clinton never has and she wont.

[Radio_Lady]

25. Stop it. If you were having a conversation with her, I KNOW she would say it.

This is a woman of great strength, intuition, smart as a whip, and tough as nails. Damn it, stop putting words in her mouth that don't belong there.

I'm sorry. We need both of these people. Please read this:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[ecstatic]

27. So she would say it privately but not publicly? nt

[Radio_Lady]

29. My guess is she would say it BOTH WAYS if it comes down to it.

[Duke Newcombe]

36. It's BEEN "down to it" for a month. What's she waiting for?

Oh, right...for everyone's voice to be heard. Riiiggghhht.

Duke

[TBF]

39. Then why hasn't she said it? She's had plenty of time.

[Ichingcarpenter]

43. So BOTH WAYS means ................. shit

You can't have it both ways.

But you know that don't you?

[Ddan]

48. Didn't she have the chance to say that after the SNL skit last week?

She has commented on damn near every skit SNL has done but not that one. Why?


Here's the best example of it I can find just in case you haven't seen it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reb2uAmz-eM

[roguevalley]

87. wv passed. kentucky passed. nothing. she's been courting rednecks

since penn.

[chascarrillo]

44. BWAHAHAHA!

Thanks so much for that laugh. I really needed it! Seriously!

[Ichingcarpenter]

51. I clean up OK? Housekeeping, Housekeeping

I clean up OK?

[Pirate Smile]

80. She has been fanning the race and sex issues not trying to put them out.

I'm sure she is against racism and sexism personally but she has shown herself to be more then willing to use them politically if she can do so to her advantage.

[Radio_Lady]

59. I'm sorry. You people are ferocious in your hatred for Hillary.

I repeat.

Hillary is not a racist.

I am not a racist. I pledge to vote for the Democratic ticket when it is formulated. Until then, I will continue to hope and work for unity.

Hillary was active in civil rights before many of you were born.

I'm sick of the absolute drivel that GD: P has produced and look forward to more consideration for a candidate who has proved his/her mettle in every way.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[tishaLA]

70. there is a difference, as I'm sure you know,

between saying that someone is "racist" and saying that someone uses race opportunistically. I don't think that Sen Clinton believes in the inherent superiority of white people (or the inherent inferiority of African Americans), but I do believe that she uses her whiteness to political advantage.

I can anticipate the response: but Obama uses his Blackness to political advantage, too! And I would agree that, in part at least, that is true: as someone within the community, Sen Obama knows how to speak to the community in a way that white politicians do not. But because African Americans are a small portion of the electorate, and because he has to rely upon whites in a way she does not have to rely upon African Americans, it is an asymmetrical relationship--and, indeed, one that, like most asymmetrical relationships in the US, favors white candidates.

[Radio_Lady]

73. Looks like Obama got to a whole lot of white folks here in Oregon!

:-) Last Sunday, May 18th. I really hate to poke immense holes in your argument, but what if they joined together? Did you see the crowd? We don't have many black people in Oregon... Here's another thing to think of... if Hillary is like her husband (and many people accuse her of that), why do people argue that Bill was "the first black President" and he moved his offices into Harlem after he left office. Do you think his wife backed him up on that?

[tishaLA]

78. that really doesn't answer what i posted

but thanks anyhow.

[Radio_Lady]

81. It kind of blows through the whole idea that "many/most/all whites will vote only for whites" and

"many/most/all blacks will vote only for blacks". Once you realize that, you just have to have somebody atop saying it over and over. What's more, wouldn't it be great to actually have somebody TELL their audience that they embrace change, just by being on the ticket?

I'm sorry, but I feel that would be the best alternative we have. I won't even go into the gender mix, because I honestly believe that Hillary would pick up votes if she is in either place on that ticket.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[tishaLA]

83. Again, you fail to address my point

But I suppose it is always easier to address straw men (and women) than what someone actually says. Again: Hillary Clinton is not "racist" but she uses race for political advantage. It's that simple.

[Barack_America]

8. Bold statement.

Interesting.

[justgamma]

9. Do you remember when Edwards said

"if you're not voting for Hillary because she's a woman or you're not voting for Barak because of his race, then I don't want you're vote" I was impressed.

[ecstatic]

23. Wow. I didn't know about that. That's an impressive, principled stance

One that HRC would never take.

[Mooney]

31. I didn't know that either.

Good for him.

[ChiciB1]

76. From An Impressive, Principled Man... Too Many Times I Have Thought...

America missed it's chance regarding JOHN EDWARDS. JMHO!

[woolldog]

74. Yes I remember that.

I was impressed by that too.

[City Lights]

10. She should, but she won't. nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. Damn right she should but she won't now

Racist support Hillary
like it or not Hillary fans.

It doesn't make you racist but
you really need to think about that.

[scarletwoman]

12. Whoaa! Good on Gergen! She won't, of course. She intends to claw her way to the nomination

by any means, fair or foul. Obviously, "foul" means don't bother her at all.

sw

[Adelante]

13. I wish they'd give David Gergen a show

I'd rather listen to him than any of them on CNN.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

42. amen, he is sensible and intelligent, they are bubble heads

its pitiful, seeing an intelligent man have to deal with
nimnuls.

Except for Donna Brazile, she is sharp.

[Abacus]

54. Me too;

I'd like to see him (or anyone) replace Dobbs, I'm sick of that guy.

[BlooInBloo]

14. But.... that would defeat the whole strategy.

[scarletwoman]

15. k&r (nt)

[Mme. Defarge]

16. That was stunning!

He has always been a class act.

[bkcc]

17. He's right. She should.

But she's too busy focusing on the "win-at-any-cost" and "scorched earth" strategies right now.

[ErinBerin84]

18. Gergen is one of the most reasonable people on tv.

Watched him smack down Mark Halperin for his fake criticism of the Obama campaign , and offered real, genuine criticism of the campaign last night on CNN. He's very objective about both sides.

[Radio_Lady]

21. Agreed. He's quite objective.

[Barack_America]

34. A smart, principled journalist?

Certainly a rarity.

I enjoy his analyses as well, even if I don't always agree with them.

[kenny blankenship]

65. For someone who worked for the Clintons and Republicans, he's surprisingly undickish

I'm not sayin I want to have his babies or anything, but compared to the rest of that smarmy bunch --Staphylococcus, Dick "HoShrimper" Morris, Carville the Amazing LizardMan, Paul "runny eggs" Begala--. , Gerkin stands out as recognizably human.

[Barack_America]

66. Staphylococcus??

Oh man, first time I've heard that one.

Really, really clever.

:rofl:

[kenny blankenship]

67. You know: microscopic, virulent. Actually it's been used here before -

but I thought of it first!

[Barack_America]

72. Even better!

That's just too good.

Is he of the MRSA variety?

[kenny blankenship]

79. I shun exposure to his strain, so I couldn't say for certain what it takes to clear it up

A sore like him you don't want to ever scratch at or get wet--the smarm inflames, runs riot, spreads everywhere. Avoidance is the best prophylaxis.

[ecstatic]

20. Bingo! Instead she brags about it, embraces them, and further undermines Obama

I pray that a liberal democrat can take over her seat in NY. She doesn't deserve it.

[TTUBatfan2008]

22. Finally!

Someone in the MSM finally called this what it is without trying to tiptoe around it by saying "she appeals more to those voters." Gergen said, "I don't think America is a racist country, but these are pockets of racism and it will be disheartening if race is the deciding factor in the general election."

[smalll]

24. Fair enough. If HE will say "If you're going to vote for me because

of her sex or her age, or because you think I'm hot, or because all the cool kids in your dorm are doing it, or because it certifies and publicizes your bourgeois-bohemian upper-middle-class status to the world, I don't want your vote."

If he's willing to do that, I'd be more than happy for Hillary to say what Gergen wants her to.

[TTUBatfan2008]

46. Please tell me you did not just compare

college voters to racists. That is the most outrageous thing I've seen on this website. I would compare the voters you described to her voters that vote for her entirely because of Bill Clinton. At least those voters are voting FOR something and not against something. Compare the sexists to the racists, but quit comparing other voters with racists because it's pretty damn offensive that you'd paint with such a broad brush.

[Duke Newcombe]

26. Gee. Sounds like something a Democrat would say.

Therefore, don't hold your breath expecting HRC to bleat those words.

Duke

[angee_is_mad]

28. Truth to Power!!!

He is speaking the truth. If hillary is given this nomination (ain't happening)it will be because Barack Obama is BLACK and that will be the only reason. Of course the party leaders will try to clean it up and make it look pretty.

In case we have forgotten, the Democratic Party is the party of inclusiveness and the most loyal base is the African American voters.

[kenny blankenship]

30. Little LATE for that, no?

[Ichingcarpenter]

37. She never said it in Pennsylvania, West Virginia or Kentucky

to the voters. Or anywhere else for that matter in this campaign.

[kenny blankenship]

41. It's a disclaimer she could make, but no one would believe - not at this late hour

[Ichingcarpenter]

56. Maybe after Puerto Rico

before she drops out.

[gabby garcia]

33. never gonna happen...

she's played this all along.
every once in a while there is a demur murmur from her in her speeches about how we'll all be united and she will support the nominee no matter who - but it is a mere whisper compared to the scream she emits for her hard working (blank) americans to band together with her in her desperate bid to get what, in the end, she believes is hers and hers alone.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

35. If she remains silent on this, it implies tacit approval of the racism

IMHO

[NJObamaWoman]

52. implies? Her campaign has ran on that. Its the camp that loudly prclaimed that they had

nothing to worry about in Nevada because Latinos won't vote for a black

[CakeGrrl]

38. She should, but she won't. She's too busy courting them for her popular vote totals.

n/t

[NJObamaWoman]

45. Should have said it back in Nevada when her pollster said that Latinos won't vote for a black

Hrc camp uses racism and sexism as a sleazy way to win. Her supporters, the democratic party and the media should have said something back then. That is when she split the party. If she cared about civil rights she would have made a big speech about race and promised the American people that she wants a clean and honest race. To look past gender and race because they are both good dems and for the American people to vote on the issues. Then I would have no problem with a joint ticket. But for months Hillarys camp has used race to win. They felt comfortable in telling people they have a lock on Latinos because that group won't vote for any blacks. Comfortable in talking about white working class people are the most vital to this party. Hilary should have stood up for civil rights a long time ago but failed because she wanted to win at all cost. Now whose the loser jackass

[crimsonblue]

49. if she did that..

then she'd have no hard working, white americans voting for her. snark

[Bread and Circus]

50. Finally, someone said it. I think if Hillary were stronger morally she would say so.

[BlooInBloo]

55. And of course it doesn't count if she says it *AFTER* the fact.

[Liquorice]

53. I agree. And Obama should say, "If you're going to vote for me because of her gender,

I don't want your vote."

[BlooInBloo]

57. (shrug) Not like there's an issue with that happening, but sure - why not?

[Liquorice]

60. There sure is an issue with that happening. They just don't do exit polling on it. nt

[TTUBatfan2008]

68. 60% of the Democratic primary electorate is female...

In a Democratic primary with such a high female turnout, I would say it's safe to say race is a bigger issue. In a general election, I think they would be similar issues since the G.E. electorate has around a 5-8% higher total of men voting.

[Liquorice]

69. There are women who won't vote for a woman because of gender. It's not just men. nt

[TTUBatfan2008]

71. That is true...

but I will say right here and now that I will not ever vote for Hillary because of her POLICIES, including the recent idea of obliterating Iran. Sounds great, let's just crank up WWIII with China and Russia. I would vote for Barbara Boxer over Obama. I would vote for Claire McCaskill over Obama. That's a couple that come to mind immediately. Hell, Elizabeth Edwards would get my support and she's even less experienced than Obama!

[Liquorice]

75. There are plenty of white people who have legitimate

(non-racist) reasons for not supporting Obama as well. It goes both ways.

[TTUBatfan2008]

77. Of course.

[foo_bar]

58. she's no Ross Perot

PEROT: If you want to make a difference with the people because of their race, their religion, their color, I don't want your vote. We are only going to be a great country if we come together and unite.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0011/02/lkl.00.html

But let me just say to all of America: if you hate people, I don't want your vote.

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans92a2.html

[hokies4ever]

61. He also said she should address the Rev. Wright issue

and tell voters and her supporters that she's spent a lot of time with Obama and can personally vouch for his moral values and ethics. That would set her up on a very high road and position herself well for whatever she wants to do in her political future. Gergen has some pretty good ideas.

[ribrepin]

62. I switched from MSNBC because they let Pat Buchanan on to spew

MSNBC is crying about the fact that Obama can't win the white racist vote and then they let Buchanan on. The fact that one in five Kentuckians are openly stating that they voted against Obama because of his race.

Makes you wonder who these people are that are voting for Hilary and if they will be there in November. Big contrast between CNN and MSNBC. One channel (MSNBC) is predicting doom if the Dems nominate a black man and the other (CNN) is decrying the fact that people are proudly stating that they voted on against the black man because of his race.

I think it's a mistake to nominate a candidate that is picking up the racist vote.

[housewolf]

85. Yeah... I only heard Gergen because I switched off Pat Buchanan

Just couldn't take his ranting any longer.

I wish MSNBC would let him go... he's totally predictable and uninteresting. It's okay with me that they have Repubs on... I think hearing different sides is good. Buchanan's bias, aside from his conservatism, is towards drama and political theater so his "analysis" is all about catastrophe and high drama... always divorced from reality. He doesn't really add anything constructive, creative or original to the conversation.

[Leopolds Ghost]

63. Her surrogates have openly stated that SHE WILL NOT SAY THIS because she wants any vote she can get.

[Sensitivity]

64. A little to CONVENIENT a time to suggest that --- THE RACIST STATES HAVE JUST FINISHED VOTING

[wvbygod]

86. there are no racist states

All states have racists...including yours.

[Sensitivity]

89. OK. Sorry for the short-hand

[Beacool]

82. Great idea,

I then want to hear the same speech from Obama about the AA vote.

I had enough with the B.S. that 90% of AA are voting for Obama based on the issues, but whites who vote for Hillary must be only doing so because they are a bunch of racists.

That's extremely condescending and disrespectful to her supporters.

How about this, they are not voting for him because he's the least experienced presidential candidate in modern times. Yeah, yeah, I know he served in the state senate. So what? that's the minor leagues.

[Bullet1987]

88. Hillary taking a stand against RACISM!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

She's too busy crying and moaning about sexism and has her own supporters on TV calling Obama sexist.

[wowimthere]

90. Thank God! A pundit used some level-headed thinking. Thank you!

[ShortnFiery]

91. HRC considers herself "political royalty." She doesn't have a gracious bone in her body. eom

[milkyway]

92. It would be too late now. Should've said it before WV and KY.